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concordtom said:

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Is this thread about the "I love Hitler" group chat, where some Kansas Young Republican got fired and apparently some White House staff were involved, but the Trump administration has thus far made no comment?

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That's not true, J.D. Vance was quite defensive of them.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/15/vance-group-chat-young-boys-stupid-things-00609645

REALLY!!???????

Simultaneously he and the right have been asking people to get fired over Kirk. Some of those statements WERE offensive. A young man and father got killed. But there were a ton of other statements that raised a point which feels in the overton window if inelegant and probably not the right time or place.

In contrast there are not really "jokes". They are an expression of hose some of those on the text thread see victims of sexual assault, african americans and jews. I was a dumb boy at some point. It never would have EVER occured to me to make jokes about the gas chambers.

Nor, and I think this gets at an important truth, using "1488" is not an ill timed bad joke (seriously, google it, I did). It comes from the dark comerst. If the dems (and maybe should) need to root out and isolate the frings of the chaotic arcanist community, the GOP has to do some self reflection that neo-nazis and white supremacists feel like they have been embraced by the main stream rather than where they used ot be isolated on the corners of civil discourse.

PS. I think I found what I HOPE is the

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sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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Is this thread about the "I love Hitler" group chat, where some Kansas Young Republican got fired and apparently some White House staff were involved, but the Trump administration has thus far made no comment?

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That's not true, J.D. Vance was quite defensive of them.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/15/vance-group-chat-young-boys-stupid-things-00609645

REALLY!!???????

Simultaneously he and the right have been asking people to get fired over Kirk. Some of those statements WERE offensive. A young man and father got killed. But there were a ton of other statements that raised a point which feels in the overton window if inelegant and probably not the right time or place.

In contrast there are not really "jokes". They are an expression of hose some of those on the text thread see victims of sexual assault, african americans and jews. I was a dumb boy at some point. It never would have EVER occured to me to make jokes about the gas chambers.

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They are also not "boys." Some of these Young Republican guys are in their 30s or 40s.

Adults officially involved in a mainstream political organization and they're saying that stuff in an online chat?

these are some pretty dumb humans

sycasey said:

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concordtom said:

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Is this thread about the "I love Hitler" group chat, where some Kansas Young Republican got fired and apparently some White House staff were involved, but the Trump administration has thus far made no comment?

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That's not true, J.D. Vance was quite defensive of them.

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Correct.

JD Vance Tells Critics of 30+ Year Old 'Young Boys' in Racist Chat to 'Grow Up!'

Vance raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he leapt to the defense of the group chat's inhabitants by erroneously referring to it as a "college group chat" and invoking Jay Jones, the Democratic nominee for attorney general in Virginia, who is under fire for wishing death upon a Republican legislator and his children.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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You support JD Vance don't you?
He's a RACIST.

Gotta love those Charlie Kirk podcasts where racism is condoned.
Charlie's hate and racism lives on.

MAGA!

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devout racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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You support JD Vance don't you?
He's a RACIST.

Gotta love those Charlie Kirk podcasts where racism is condoned.
Charlie's hate and racism lives on.

MAGA!

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Literally none of that is true lol

going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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Show me where. I'll wait. Yall have no arguments to make so you just label everyone racist. It's so tired and so humorous to those of us on the right.

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Adults officially involved in a mainstream political organization and they're saying that stuff in an online chat?

these are some pretty dumb humans

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This is what I've been saying.
We are surrounded by morons.
Same thing happened in Germany. A small group gets power and all the moron lemmings follow on unawares. Then after they say "oh, uh, I didn't know!"

Like this Bearly blunt smoking teacher - she can't use that excuse because she's got CT blowing fresh air and truth her way, try to get her off that weed!

going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Adults officially involved in a mainstream political organization and they're saying that stuff in an online chat?

these are some pretty dumb humans

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This is what I've been saying.
We are surrounded by morons.
Same thing happened in Germany. A small group gets power and all the moron lemmings follow on unawares. Then after they say "oh, uh, I didn't know!"

Like this Bearly blunt smoking teacher - she can't use that excuse because she's got CT blowing fresh air and truth her way, try to get her off that weed!

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Please go poll teachers in California about LEGAL weed usage. I can't wait to see your reaction

oski003 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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Your actions/words say [devote?] moron. The post you make say moron . Your use of code words that morons use instead of honky slur says you're a racist moron. Your adulation and support of moronic policies make you an agent for the dark side. Lack of critical thinking and proximity to money grabbing race hustlers has your mind all messed up so either way your! an idiot or support idiotic policy

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I let him slide with the your/you're lol

concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

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Okay you're my new fav.

BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Adults officially involved in a mainstream political organization and they're saying that stuff in an online chat?

these are some pretty dumb humans

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This is what I've been saying.
We are surrounded by morons.
Same thing happened in Germany. A small group gets power and all the moron lemmings follow on unawares. Then after they say "oh, uh, I didn't know!"

Like this Bearly blunt smoking teacher - she can't use that excuse because she's got CT blowing fresh air and truth her way, try to get her off that weed!

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Please go poll teachers in California about LEGAL weed usage. I can't wait to see your reaction

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My older brother started smoking weed in 7th grade.
He died following decades of addiction.
I'm therefore well educated in the space of addiction and recovery. Using substances to alter one's state of mind is a slippery slope.
So I'm not down with that.

You'll say weed is not hard drugs.
You'll say "alcohol".

We don't need to have the debate.
You do you. I'm just consciously-subconsciously biased against it from a young age.

I do not approve and if someone says they do that I respect them far less.

You should know there are many people like me who feel this way so it would be a mistake for yyyo share that aspect of yourself with people freely under the guise of "it's legal".
Just like when you share that you vote for Trump, support Trump, that's legal too, but your future employers might straight up decide at the subconscious level that there's no way you are getting that raise.

I would never choose to work with a trump voter if I had the chance. I have many friends and family members who did - It becomes a barrier.

Feel free to criticize me for my stance. I don't care.
I'm pretty liberal in many respects. I do have hard lines. I don't approve of drug using and I don't approve of Trump voters.

concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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Big C said:

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Adults officially involved in a mainstream political organization and they're saying that stuff in an online chat?

these are some pretty dumb humans

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This is what I've been saying.
We are surrounded by morons.
Same thing happened in Germany. A small group gets power and all the moron lemmings follow on unawares. Then after they say "oh, uh, I didn't know!"

Like this Bearly blunt smoking teacher - she can't use that excuse because she's got CT blowing fresh air and truth her way, try to get her off that weed!

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Please go poll teachers in California about LEGAL weed usage. I can't wait to see your reaction

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My older brother started smoking weed in 7th grade.
He died following decades of addiction.
I'm therefore well educated in the space of addiction and recovery. Using substances to alter one's state of mind is a slippery slope.
So I'm not down with that.

You'll say weed is not hard drugs.
You'll say "alcohol".

We don't need to have the debate.
You do you. I'm just consciously-subconsciously biased against it from a young age.

I do not approve and if someone says they do that I respect them far less.

You should know there are many people like me who feel this way so it would be a mistake for yyyo share that aspect of yourself with people freely under the guise of "it's legal".
Just like when you share that you vote for Trump, support Trump, that's legal too, but your future employers might straight up decide at the subconscious level that there's no way you are getting that raise.

I would never choose to work with a trump voter if I had the chance. I have many friends and family members who did - It becomes a barrier.

Feel free to criticize me for my stance. I don't care.
I'm pretty liberal in many respects. I do have hard lines. I don't approve of drug using and I don't approve of Trump voters.

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Very very sorry to hear about your brother, addiction is no joke. I have to assume that means he got addicted to other substances. Weed addiction, while real, doesn't kill people directly. If I'm inaccurate with that, apologies but that's my understanding and I've done plenty of research into weed and its effects on the body and mind.

As I've said, you respecting me isn't something I care about or will lose sleep over. Did you just lose respect for a majority of teachers in the Bay? I can't think of a single teacher I know who doesn't use weed in some form. Gummies are the big hit

There are many people who don't feel that way, so good for both of us I guess. I'm sorry you feel you have to boil a person down to such small aspects of their lives. I have love for all people. Except Wags

Do you have no love for drinkers also? Do you know how many people drink and drive and kill people every day? Do you drink?

A friend in DC had a Zoom call with Congressman Dave Taylor’s office today…

Taylor’s legislative correspondent, Angelo Elia, had what can only be described as an American swastika flag prominently displayed in his background. pic.twitter.com/zFn3QowS0c

— The Rooster (@rooster_ohio) October 15, 2025

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

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Aww you mad bro lol
Truth hurts

going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

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Aww you mad bro lol
Truth hurts

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Left on left crime.

He was a pot smoker, beer drinker, crack smoker. All 3 in system when he died.
It started with pot in 7th grade Montclair.

I rarely have a drink.
I've never consumed anything else.
I did "party" when younger.
A nice glass of wine at a nice meal isn't bad. Yes, I recognize. Pot for me has much negativity.

You seem to speak for vast number of teachers. Perhaps that's in your school district.

One of the reasons why I left the bay to raise my kids (all straight As near valedictorians, #4 at cal now).

If teachers got paid more, I'll posit that the percentage of your peers using substances crashes.

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

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Aww you mad bro lol
Truth hurts

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No. Not mad.
I was chuckling along.
We're good, Homer.

BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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concordtom said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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going4roses said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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SBGold said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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Hey -

These are some WINNING comments!!! Seriously, given the amount of cancel efforts that went on about Kirk I am guessing you all will be calling for all of these little punks to be fired tomorrow (LOL/Sarcasm)

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6Y3IdwEQXl1XraDjQNfyw18wpMO0VQlkKKpxxjYSP1V-rRb_p2vXTanUI7jA_aem_7J5gXJyDrXaMwuJ0uqTkyg

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First, they have a right to say those things. As did the people who made jokes or comments about Charlie.

Secondly, they are not free from social consequences just as the people making jokes about Charlie weren't free from social consequences.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. It's either absolute or it doesn't exist.

These guys should face the same social consequences as I would have wanted for the Charlie haters/"comedians"

Please point out which of these morons is running for office so we can force them to drop out.

Just like you guys will do for Jay Jones, right?

Right?

— AmErican (@Flipper628) October 14, 2025

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Ah, you are on the side of white supremacy. We get it

UNITY OVER DIVISION

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Huh? How did you get that from what I said lol. Just jumping to the racist card, such a common left tactic these days. I'm not even white btw which I've told G4R repeatedly lol. Please explain because nothing I said was anything remotely white supremacy related or connected. I said I don't condone their actions and they should face the same social consequences anyone else should.

I quite literally agreed with the OP. lol yall are too funny

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First off no matter what you look like you support racism/racist policies/ ideology. That's how white proximity works maybe if you paid attention you would have learned this. How you look doesn't matter it's your actions.

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Nope. Wrong again. You keep moving the goal posts. First I'm a racist. Then when I can't be a racist by your own definition, I'm a supporter of white supremacy. Get real bro. I don't agree with you because I have different beliefs and views, not because I'm a racist or support racists.

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Your actions/words say devote racist. The post you make say racist . Your use of code words that racist use instead of N slur says you're racist. Your adulation and support of racist policies make you an agent for the dark side. Proximity to whiteness has your mind all messed up so either way your racist or support racists/racist policy

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That's it!
You tell her, Roses!!!
Give her your standard "you're a racist" rant!!!

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Aww you mad bro lol
Truth hurts

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Left on left crime.

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Nope!

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He was a pot smoker, beer drinker, crack smoker. All 3 in system when he died.
It started with pot in 7th grade Montclair.

I rarely have a drink.
I've never consumed anything else.
I did "party" when younger.
A nice glass of wine at a nice meal isn't bad. Yes, I recognize. Pot for me has much negativity.

You seem to speak for vast number of teachers. Perhaps that's in your school district.

One of the reasons why I left the bay to raise my kids (all straight As near valedictorians, #4 at cal now).

If teachers got paid more, I'll posit that the percentage of your peers using substances crashes.

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Again very sorry to hear about brother. I appreciate you sharing and it makes sense how that would shape your views.

Congrats on the success of your kids.

It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

BearlySane88 said:

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It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

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If you made triple, the job might still carry the same stress, but all the other stresses in your life could be more easily addressed.
Home
Car
Bills
Family members who have sane struggles.

Money does not solve everything, certainly not, but there are levels.

Maslow hierarchy of needs includes things at the bottom which do require money.
More recent studies asking if money can buy happiness say Yes, up to a point.

Basic needs need to be met.
I think that figure for Bay Area California is more than teacher salaries

It's why I always push for higher wages for salaries.

Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future. And that's a poor investment choice, politically, economically. A nation has to invest in its future.

I'm a proponent of early education, and that can be in schools, and in the home. We have home environments where kids are exposed to toxic situations at very young ages, and in many instances, schools can't fix that.

If we as a society devoted more attention to such things, we might not have as much homelessness, drug addicts and mass shootings.

I know, pie in the sky dreaming on a limited budget.

The current administration would have no clue what I'm talking about.

Trump spends more time talking about how he should have won the Nobel prize than he does dreaming about his lofty goals for our nation. He still talks about Crooked Hillary, or Obama.

I mean, we are SO far off the proper path. Can't you see that?

His only vision for America is the build a monument to himself. He gives two ****s about the average American. He's an empty soul.

We need to choose leaders with vision and care. Not just bravado.

Well, that was a few leaps.
Pot smoking. Stress. Teacher salaries. Early education. Solving societies ills. Replacing Trump.

It always rolls back to Trump.
The buck stops at the top.

Maybe the next administration is going to start arresting everyone who they think didn't pay full fare on their taxes. That would be a cool terror operation.
Much more lucrative.

concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

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If you made triple, the job might still carry the same stress, but all the other stresses in your life could be more easily addressed.
Home
Car
Bills
Family members who have sane struggles.

Money does not solve everything, certainly not, but there are levels.

Maslow hierarchy of needs includes things at the bottom which do require money.
More recent studies asking if money can buy happiness say Yes, up to a point.

Basic needs need to be met.
I think that figure for Bay Area California is more than teacher salaries

It's why I always push for higher wages for salaries.

Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future. And that's a poor investment choice, politically, economically. A nation has to invest in its future.

I'm a proponent of early education, and that can be in schools, and in the home. We have home environments where kids are exposed to toxic situations at very young ages, and in many instances, schools can't fix that.

If we as a society devoted more attention to such things, we might not have as much homelessness, drug addicts and mass shootings.

I know, pie in the sky dreaming on a limited budget.

The current administration would have no clue what I'm talking about.

Trump spends more time talking about how he should have won the Nobel prize than he does dreaming about his lofty goals for our nation. He still talks about Crooked Hillary, or Obama.

I mean, we are SO far off the proper path. Can't you see that?

His only vision for America is the build a monument to himself. He gives two ****s about the average American. He's an empty soul.

We need to choose leaders with vision and care. Not just bravado.

Well, that was a few leaps.
Pot smoking. Stress. Teacher salaries. Early education. Solving societies ills. Replacing Trump.

It always rolls back to Trump.
The buck stops at the top.

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I make a livable wage. I am not struggling financially. Do I get paid peanuts compared to the work and effort I do, yes but I'm not struggling. Again, I think you equating higher salaries to less stress is a nice idea but that's not where most teachers stressors are, not in my experiences at least. It's the lack of parent involvement in their child's development and education and an over burdening on teachers by administrators.

The buck stops at parents. Over my 15+ years of teaching, the level of care from parents has dropped dramatically. We went from "helicopter" parents who couldn't get out of their own child's way to "drive thru" parents who can't be bothered to even get out of the car for their child. Of course there have always been both, and still are, but there's been a dramatic shift to the latter in "recent" years.

"Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future."

This is so not true. Please don't put down teachers by repeating this bs. You have very qualified, well educated individuals in California choosing to be teachers because they care. Many of us could make more money elsewhere doing something we don't love or care about. We aren't teachers because we lack other options. This is highly offensive and will not make you popular in teacher circles. The rewards are our work. Seeing Kid X learn, grow, mature, reach a goal. Kid Y's smile, Kid Z's inside joke. Those are our rewards. (and summer break )

I actually support this administration and their handling of education so far. I think education should be in the hands of the states, not federally mandated. We have seen an inept department of education waste billions while test scores worsen. I'm not saying this is the fix but something had to change. As you said it's a leap and I don't think you can blame all or maybe even any of these problems you're mentioning on Trump and his presidency.

"I will take swastika for $400 Alex"




US Capitol Police investigating 'vile and deeply inappropriate symbol' found in GOP lawmaker's office

Hey will say he keeps it as a symbol of what he's fighting against - those damn dirty democrats

BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

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If you made triple, the job might still carry the same stress, but all the other stresses in your life could be more easily addressed.
Home
Car
Bills
Family members who have sane struggles.

Money does not solve everything, certainly not, but there are levels.

Maslow hierarchy of needs includes things at the bottom which do require money.
More recent studies asking if money can buy happiness say Yes, up to a point.

Basic needs need to be met.
I think that figure for Bay Area California is more than teacher salaries

It's why I always push for higher wages for salaries.

Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future. And that's a poor investment choice, politically, economically. A nation has to invest in its future.

I'm a proponent of early education, and that can be in schools, and in the home. We have home environments where kids are exposed to toxic situations at very young ages, and in many instances, schools can't fix that.

If we as a society devoted more attention to such things, we might not have as much homelessness, drug addicts and mass shootings.

I know, pie in the sky dreaming on a limited budget.

The current administration would have no clue what I'm talking about.

Trump spends more time talking about how he should have won the Nobel prize than he does dreaming about his lofty goals for our nation. He still talks about Crooked Hillary, or Obama.

I mean, we are SO far off the proper path. Can't you see that?

His only vision for America is the build a monument to himself. He gives two ****s about the average American. He's an empty soul.

We need to choose leaders with vision and care. Not just bravado.

Well, that was a few leaps.
Pot smoking. Stress. Teacher salaries. Early education. Solving societies ills. Replacing Trump.

It always rolls back to Trump.
The buck stops at the top.

---

I make a livable wage. I am not struggling financially. Do I get paid peanuts compared to the work and effort I do, yes but I'm not struggling. Again, I think you equating higher salaries to less stress is a nice idea but that's not where most teachers stressors are, not in my experiences at least. It's the lack of parent involvement in their child's development and education and an over burdening on teachers by administrators.

The buck stops at parents. Over my 15+ years of teaching, the level of care from parents has dropped dramatically. We went from "helicopter" parents who couldn't get out of their own child's way to "drive thru" parents who can't be bothered to even get out of the car for their child. Of course there have always been both, and still are, but there's been a dramatic shift to the latter in "recent" years.

"Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future."

This is so not true. Please don't put down teachers by repeating this bs. You have very qualified, well educated individuals in California choosing to be teachers because they care. Many of us could make more money elsewhere doing something we don't love or care about. We aren't teachers because we lack other options. This is highly offensive and will not make you popular in teacher circles. The rewards are our work. Seeing Kid X learn, grow, mature, reach a goal. Kid Y's smile, Kid Z's inside joke. Those are our rewards. (and summer break )

I actually support this administration and their handling of education so far. I think education should be in the hands of the states, not federally mandated. We have seen an inept department of education waste billions while test scores worsen. I'm not saying this is the fix but something had to change. As you said it's a leap and I don't think you can blame all or maybe even any of these problems you're mentioning on Trump and his presidency.

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I feared my words would be offensive and turned against me as if a smear upon all teachers. I apologize, however, let me double down, try again.

In any arena where the rewards increase, the supply of people opting that route will increase.
Just consider basic supply and demand curve. More individuals would be willing to teach if the pay was increased. With more demand (applications) the higher quality candidates would be selected, replacing others available to hiring staff with the lower wage structure. That's a fact in any industry.

I'll second the assertion by asking how many are in your classes. 30?
With increased funding you get 20. And money to do better classroom experiences. Field trips. Science kits whatever you as a great teacher can dream up.

I agree that parents could also step up their game. And that's a separate topic.

Were you teaching younger student years ago?
My experience is that parents engage less as the kids get older!

What's the bill she mentioned at the end about supporting our youngest citizens?

Deplorable

concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

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If you made triple, the job might still carry the same stress, but all the other stresses in your life could be more easily addressed.
Home
Car
Bills
Family members who have sane struggles.

Money does not solve everything, certainly not, but there are levels.

Maslow hierarchy of needs includes things at the bottom which do require money.
More recent studies asking if money can buy happiness say Yes, up to a point.

Basic needs need to be met.
I think that figure for Bay Area California is more than teacher salaries

It's why I always push for higher wages for salaries.

Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future. And that's a poor investment choice, politically, economically. A nation has to invest in its future.

I'm a proponent of early education, and that can be in schools, and in the home. We have home environments where kids are exposed to toxic situations at very young ages, and in many instances, schools can't fix that.

If we as a society devoted more attention to such things, we might not have as much homelessness, drug addicts and mass shootings.

I know, pie in the sky dreaming on a limited budget.

The current administration would have no clue what I'm talking about.

Trump spends more time talking about how he should have won the Nobel prize than he does dreaming about his lofty goals for our nation. He still talks about Crooked Hillary, or Obama.

I mean, we are SO far off the proper path. Can't you see that?

His only vision for America is the build a monument to himself. He gives two ****s about the average American. He's an empty soul.

We need to choose leaders with vision and care. Not just bravado.

Well, that was a few leaps.
Pot smoking. Stress. Teacher salaries. Early education. Solving societies ills. Replacing Trump.

It always rolls back to Trump.
The buck stops at the top.

---

I make a livable wage. I am not struggling financially. Do I get paid peanuts compared to the work and effort I do, yes but I'm not struggling. Again, I think you equating higher salaries to less stress is a nice idea but that's not where most teachers stressors are, not in my experiences at least. It's the lack of parent involvement in their child's development and education and an over burdening on teachers by administrators.

The buck stops at parents. Over my 15+ years of teaching, the level of care from parents has dropped dramatically. We went from "helicopter" parents who couldn't get out of their own child's way to "drive thru" parents who can't be bothered to even get out of the car for their child. Of course there have always been both, and still are, but there's been a dramatic shift to the latter in "recent" years.

"Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future."

This is so not true. Please don't put down teachers by repeating this bs. You have very qualified, well educated individuals in California choosing to be teachers because they care. Many of us could make more money elsewhere doing something we don't love or care about. We aren't teachers because we lack other options. This is highly offensive and will not make you popular in teacher circles. The rewards are our work. Seeing Kid X learn, grow, mature, reach a goal. Kid Y's smile, Kid Z's inside joke. Those are our rewards. (and summer break )

I actually support this administration and their handling of education so far. I think education should be in the hands of the states, not federally mandated. We have seen an inept department of education waste billions while test scores worsen. I'm not saying this is the fix but something had to change. As you said it's a leap and I don't think you can blame all or maybe even any of these problems you're mentioning on Trump and his presidency.

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I feared my words would be offensive and turned against me as if a smear upon all teachers. I apologize, however, let me double down, try again.

In any arena where the rewards increase, the supply of people opting that route will increase.
Just consider basic supply and demand curve. More individuals would be willing to teach if the pay was increased. With more demand (applications) the higher quality candidates would be selected, replacing others available to hiring staff with the lower wage structure. That's a fact in any industry.

I'll second the assertion by asking how many are in your classes. 30?
With increased funding you get 20. And money to do better classroom experiences. Field trips. Science kits whatever you as a great teacher can dream up.

I agree that parents could also step up their game. And that's a separate topic.

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Not that I'm asking for a lower salary for teachers but I could argue that you actually get the best teachers with a lower salary. Nobody is going to teach and get paid the salary we do unless they are passionate about it. Passionate teachers are better teachers. With a higher salary you would attract more polished candidates but that doesn't mean they would actually be passionate about teaching. I'm not saying I believe this fully, I'm just typing my thoughts out.

BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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concordtom said:

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BearlySane88 said:

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It's not just in my school district and maybe but just because I was wealthier wouldn't make my job less stressful. Sometimes we need a puff/drink at the end of a long day.

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If you made triple, the job might still carry the same stress, but all the other stresses in your life could be more easily addressed.
Home
Car
Bills
Family members who have sane struggles.

Money does not solve everything, certainly not, but there are levels.

Maslow hierarchy of needs includes things at the bottom which do require money.
More recent studies asking if money can buy happiness say Yes, up to a point.

Basic needs need to be met.
I think that figure for Bay Area California is more than teacher salaries

It's why I always push for higher wages for salaries.

Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future. And that's a poor investment choice, politically, economically. A nation has to invest in its future.

I'm a proponent of early education, and that can be in schools, and in the home. We have home environments where kids are exposed to toxic situations at very young ages, and in many instances, schools can't fix that.

If we as a society devoted more attention to such things, we might not have as much homelessness, drug addicts and mass shootings.

I know, pie in the sky dreaming on a limited budget.

The current administration would have no clue what I'm talking about.

Trump spends more time talking about how he should have won the Nobel prize than he does dreaming about his lofty goals for our nation. He still talks about Crooked Hillary, or Obama.

I mean, we are SO far off the proper path. Can't you see that?

His only vision for America is the build a monument to himself. He gives two ****s about the average American. He's an empty soul.

We need to choose leaders with vision and care. Not just bravado.

Well, that was a few leaps.
Pot smoking. Stress. Teacher salaries. Early education. Solving societies ills. Replacing Trump.

It always rolls back to Trump.
The buck stops at the top.

---

I make a livable wage. I am not struggling financially. Do I get paid peanuts compared to the work and effort I do, yes but I'm not struggling. Again, I think you equating higher salaries to less stress is a nice idea but that's not where most teachers stressors are, not in my experiences at least. It's the lack of parent involvement in their child's development and education and an over burdening on teachers by administrators.

The buck stops at parents. Over my 15+ years of teaching, the level of care from parents has dropped dramatically. We went from "helicopter" parents who couldn't get out of their own child's way to "drive thru" parents who can't be bothered to even get out of the car for their child. Of course there have always been both, and still are, but there's been a dramatic shift to the latter in "recent" years.

"Talented, driven people with lots of opportunities rarely choose to go into early education because the rewards are limited. So, we end up with a compromised workforce raising America's future."

This is so not true. Please don't put down teachers by repeating this bs. You have very qualified, well educated individuals in California choosing to be teachers because they care. Many of us could make more money elsewhere doing something we don't love or care about. We aren't teachers because we lack other options. This is highly offensive and will not make you popular in teacher circles. The rewards are our work. Seeing Kid X learn, grow, mature, reach a goal. Kid Y's smile, Kid Z's inside joke. Those are our rewards. (and summer break )

I actually support this administration and their handling of education so far. I think education should be in the hands of the states, not federally mandated. We have seen an inept department of education waste billions while test scores worsen. I'm not saying this is the fix but something had to change. As you said it's a leap and I don't think you can blame all or maybe even any of these problems you're mentioning on Trump and his presidency.

---

I feared my words would be offensive and turned against me as if a smear upon all teachers. I apologize, however, let me double down, try again.

In any arena where the rewards increase, the supply of people opting that route will increase.
Just consider basic supply and demand curve. More individuals would be willing to teach if the pay was increased. With more demand (applications) the higher quality candidates would be selected, replacing others available to hiring staff with the lower wage structure. That's a fact in any industry.

I'll second the assertion by asking how many are in your classes. 30?
With increased funding you get 20. And money to do better classroom experiences. Field trips. Science kits whatever you as a great teacher can dream up.

I agree that parents could also step up their game. And that's a separate topic.

---

Not that I'm asking for a lower salary for teachers but I could argue that you actually get the best teachers with a lower salary. Nobody is going to teach and get paid the salary we do unless they are passionate about it. Passionate teachers are better teachers. With a higher salary you would attract more polished candidates but that doesn't mean they would actually be passionate about teaching. I'm not saying I believe this fully, I'm just typing my thoughts out.

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Most of us just type without thinking, so you're ahead of most of us.

I'll agree with your assessment of teachers, though I would still pay them more. I have a nephew that's an elementary school teacher and he loves what he's doing. He'll talk at length about the times he's seen the light going on in a student's eyes when they figure something out. I believe he's one of the passionate ones.

Nothing wrong with pairing passion with financial rewards.
The hiring process (and firing process, very important) should screen a lack of passion and lack of quality job performance out.

Get rid of seniority and tenure.
Teachers can have passion at 25 and be burnt by 45. Yet they have to stick around to make a living. If you paid them more earlier then they can be rotated out when their time is (ineffective) done.