Iran. Oh, the irony...

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"In the least charitable and probably accurate view, President Trump went to war with Iran out of a delusional faith in himself. He believed that the worst-case scenarios that have deterred past presidents from attacking Iran wouldn't come true for him, because he is Donald Trump.

In the most charitable and probably accurate view, the president had reasons to believe that all of the catastrophic warnings about the most hair-raising consequences of an attack wouldn't come to pass this time. The 12-day war, which Israel and the United States fought last June, demonstrated that they could strike Iran without provoking catastrophic retaliation. Having endured that assault on the country's military infrastructure, and then wave after wave of protest by its own citizens, the Islamic Republic was isolated and weak. So why shouldn't Trump exploit that fragility to land a death blow against a murderous adversary?

I could nearly convince myself of these arguments, except that almost no other foreign-policy question has been studied harder over the past 20 years or so than the likely effect of U.S. military strikes on Iran. The many years spent pondering and preparing for a potential attack on Iran are the reason that the first days of the war were, for the most part, a bravura display of American power. Yet all of that study also pointed out the risks: spiking oil prices, the spread of violence throughout the Middle East, civilian casualties of the sort now evidenced by an apparent U.S. missile strike near an Iranian elementary school.
When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren't just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass."

The Obvious Is Taking Its Revenge on Trump - The Atlantic https://archive.ph/2026.03.11-133202/https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/
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bearister said:

"In the least charitable and probably accurate view, President Trump went to war with Iran out of a delusional faith in himself. He believed that the worst-case scenarios that have deterred past presidents from attacking Iran wouldn't come true for him, because he is Donald Trump.




His Administration had no plan to get American's in the Gulf evacuated.
Just like he didn't think that Iran would essentially "close" the Strait of Hormuz.

Terribly dumb.
These 2 issues were 100% foreseeable.

It's gonna take 1 to 3 months just to get the Strait back to the typical volume of traffic if it can ever be secured.
And yet I still don't think he has an "appetite" for a long-term war.

The fact that he "talked" down crude oil the other day is strong evidence of this.
And I'm sure he's getting an earful from the GOP with midterms around the corner.

Meanwhile, Trump plays the blame game and tells Fox News reporters that tanker crews should "show a little courage" and sail through the Strait of Hormuz anyway.

Lol.





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bearister said:

"In the least charitable and probably accurate view, President Trump went to war with Iran out of a delusional faith in himself. He believed that the worst-case scenarios that have deterred past presidents from attacking Iran wouldn't come true for him, because he is Donald Trump.

In the most charitable and probably accurate view, the president had reasons to believe that all of the catastrophic warnings about the most hair-raising consequences of an attack wouldn't come to pass this time. The 12-day war, which Israel and the United States fought last June, demonstrated that they could strike Iran without provoking catastrophic retaliation. Having endured that assault on the country's military infrastructure, and then wave after wave of protest by its own citizens, the Islamic Republic was isolated and weak. So why shouldn't Trump exploit that fragility to land a death blow against a murderous adversary?

I could nearly convince myself of these arguments, except that almost no other foreign-policy question has been studied harder over the past 20 years or so than the likely effect of U.S. military strikes on Iran. The many years spent pondering and preparing for a potential attack on Iran are the reason that the first days of the war were, for the most part, a bravura display of American power. Yet all of that study also pointed out the risks: spiking oil prices, the spread of violence throughout the Middle East, civilian casualties of the sort now evidenced by an apparent U.S. missile strike near an Iranian elementary school.
When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren't just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass."

The Obvious Is Taking Its Revenge on Trump - The Atlantic https://archive.ph/2026.03.11-133202/https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/
funny, he managed to convince Persians here in the US that regime change was just around the corner and they fell for it. I'm sure they are deflated by now.
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okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


He's being interviewed live by the White House Press Corp on the tarmack as he gets ready to head to Ohio.

When asked about the report, he said, "I don't know about it"

Lmfao.
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okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html

It's apparently moral and ethical to attack adjacent military targets near the school though. We would just prefer the children die from the wreckage of the adjacent strike, rather than also directly striking their school.
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bearister said:

"In the least charitable and probably accurate view, President Trump went to war with Iran out of a delusional faith in himself. He believed that the worst-case scenarios that have deterred past presidents from attacking Iran wouldn't come true for him, because he is Donald Trump.

In the most charitable and probably accurate view, the president had reasons to believe that all of the catastrophic warnings about the most hair-raising consequences of an attack wouldn't come to pass this time. The 12-day war, which Israel and the United States fought last June, demonstrated that they could strike Iran without provoking catastrophic retaliation. Having endured that assault on the country's military infrastructure, and then wave after wave of protest by its own citizens, the Islamic Republic was isolated and weak. So why shouldn't Trump exploit that fragility to land a death blow against a murderous adversary?

I could nearly convince myself of these arguments, except that almost no other foreign-policy question has been studied harder over the past 20 years or so than the likely effect of U.S. military strikes on Iran. The many years spent pondering and preparing for a potential attack on Iran are the reason that the first days of the war were, for the most part, a bravura display of American power. Yet all of that study also pointed out the risks: spiking oil prices, the spread of violence throughout the Middle East, civilian casualties of the sort now evidenced by an apparent U.S. missile strike near an Iranian elementary school.
When past presidents balked at the possibility of war with Iran, they weren't just dodging a hard choice; they were deterred by all of the obvious reasons a conflict could perilously spiral. Nobody should be shocked that the expected is now coming to pass."

The Obvious Is Taking Its Revenge on Trump - The Atlantic https://archive.ph/2026.03.11-133202/https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-war-trump/686314/

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The pro-war Atlantic publishing an anti-Iran War column by Russiagate dupe Franklin Foer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Scott Horton destroying Israeli propaganda with facts as Piers Morgan's guest sit in stunned silence for several minutes
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Aunburdened said:

It's apparently moral and ethical to attack adjacent military targets near the school though. We would just prefer the children die from the wreckage of the adjacent strike, rather than also directly striking their school.

deflections suit you, tanks, you're pretty good at it, or at least faithfully try, so keep on keeping on, and maybe ask for a raise?
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smh said:

Aunburdened said:

It's apparently moral and ethical to attack adjacent military targets near the school though. We would just prefer the children die from the wreckage of the adjacent strike, rather than also directly striking their school.

deflections suit you, tanks, you're pretty good at it, or at least faithfully try, so keep on keeping on, and maybe ask for a raise?

Unlike some folks, I don't fall for Israeli propaganda saying an Iranian missile blew up their own school.
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Aunburdened said:

> Unlike some folks, I don't fall for Israeli propaganda saying an Iranian missile blew up their own school.

tanks, and a fast typist too. # chef's kiss
have a nice day.
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Aunburdened said:

smh said:

Aunburdened said:

> Unlike some folks, I don't fall for Israeli propaganda saying an Iranian missile blew up their own school.

tanks, and a fast typist too. # chef's kiss
have a nice day.

Amazing what one can accomplish when dementia hasn't hit yet


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DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:

smh said:

Aunburdened said:

> Unlike some folks, I don't fall for Israeli propaganda saying an Iranian missile blew up their own school.

tanks, and a fast typist too. # chef's kiss
have a nice day.

Amazing what one can accomplish when dementia hasn't hit yet


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It's on Jared
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okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?


I observed a couple of people that believed President Trump when he said, "Iran did it"

This morning, about to board a plane to Ohio Trump was asked about the War Department Report and their finding.
Trump said, "I don't know about it"

Imagine that, the Commander in Chief not knowing anything about a U.S. launched Tomahawk that killed 175 people,
mostly children.




Trump claims ignorance as Pentagon admits US missile struck girls' school where Iran says 170 died
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dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.
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DiabloWags said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


He's being interviewed live by the White House Press Corp on the tarmack as he gets ready to head to Ohio.

When asked about the report, he said, "I don't know about it"

Lmfao.



What? He's on the tarmac?


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bearister said:





That must be from the late shift?
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oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.






Trump, Hegseth claim Iran bombed girls school, not the US
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!




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Aunburdened said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html

It's apparently moral and ethical to attack adjacent military targets near the school though. We would just prefer the children die from the wreckage of the adjacent strike, rather than also directly striking their school.

Well, yeah, it's like that guy on the XX commercial says:

"I don't always blow up children, but when I do, I prefer adjacent strikes."
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!







I defend some of his policies, rarely his behavior, unless liberals here exaggerate it. I fortunately don't have to deal with him directly. Yes, you and Trump have a lot in common.
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!







I defend some of his policies, rarely his behavior, unless liberals here exaggerate it. I fortunately don't have to deal with him directly. Yes, you and Trump have a lot in common.



Interesting claim.
Especially since I have found you to constantly attack those who point out his behavior and failed policies.



oski003
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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!







I defend some of his policies, rarely his behavior, unless liberals here exaggerate it. I fortunately don't have to deal with him directly. Yes, you and Trump have a lot in common.



Interesting claim.
Especially since I have found you to constantly attack those who point out his behavior.





I will poke holes in lies and gross exaggerations. Many times I say nothing. There is an insane amount of anti-Trump posts on this site.

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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!







I defend some of his policies, rarely his behavior, unless liberals here exaggerate it. I fortunately don't have to deal with him directly. Yes, you and Trump have a lot in common.



Interesting claim.
Especially since I have found you to constantly attack those who point out his behavior.





I will poke holes in lies and gross exaggerations. Many times I say nothing. There is an insane amount of anti-Trump posts on this site.




Yes, I've noticed that you rarely produce an organic post or even start a thread in OT.
Invariably, you will reply to others who post something critical about Trump.

Why do you have a problem with so many anti-Trump posts on this site?
Why would you have an issue with that?

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DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

okaydo said:

The Trump administration confirms U.S. struck the elementary school.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-missile-strike.html


Should we go back through this thread and see who fell for the misinformation?

Sure, it would be an exercise on exposing poor reading comprehension.


Yup.




That is one example where you only focus on one thing while someone else focuses on the whole text. You and Trump are very similar in how you talk. You are constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks who do not agree with you.


Interesting claim.

If I'm constantly wrong, never admit it, and bully folks . . . .that sounds an awful lot like Donald Trump.
And yet you defend him 24/7 here.

I guess Trump and I have a lot in common.
Thanks!







I defend some of his policies, rarely his behavior, unless liberals here exaggerate it. I fortunately don't have to deal with him directly. Yes, you and Trump have a lot in common.



Interesting claim.
Especially since I have found you to constantly attack those who point out his behavior.





I will poke holes in lies and gross exaggerations. Many times I say nothing. There is an insane amount of anti-Trump posts on this site.




Yes, I've noticed that you rarely produce an organic post or even start a thread in OT.
Invariably, you will reply to others who post something critical about Trump.

Why do you have a problem with so many anti-Trump posts on this site?
Why would you have an issue with that?



I don't have a problem with most of the anti-Trump posts on this site. I certainly will question something that sounds wrong. I will also defends folks that you bully, which is why we butt heads. Thanks.
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DiabloWags said:

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That outdated data argument is just more anti-Trump stuff that ignores all the civilians Obama and Biden killed on purpose.
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