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Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

I disagree 100% with Snyder on Ukraine, but he's right about this.



Trump trying to discourage Ukraine and disparage NATO is part of him losing trust with allies.

In the case of Europe, stopping the uncontrolled bleeding of European capital and Ukrainian soldiers is very much in the best interest of Europeans.

The European leaders don't agree.

Part of the reason they're polling in the 10%-25% approval range. Those are the lowest recorded approval rates for the heads of state of France, Germany.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/macrons-approval-rating-hits-18-142513831.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/2/just-one-in-10-germans-thinks-merz-is-up-to-the-job-after-election-wipeout


There are much bigger reasons for those low approval numbers and Movie has hit on it repeatedly for months.


The economy and loss of purchasing power is the primary reason for discontent. Mass immigration is part of the economic strain, as is the funding of the Ukraine war to the tune of hundreds of billions.


AI Overview

The primary driver of public and political discontent in France and Germany is the combination of a soaring Cost of Living, economic stagnation, and deep political frustration with traditional centrist governance

Key Factors Fueling Discontent
  • Economic Strain:
High inflation, surging energy prices, and sluggish post-pandemic growth have squeezed household budgets across both nations.[1, 2]
  • Fiscal and Budgetary Crises: France faces intense pressure over its massive national debt and widening budget deficits, while Germany struggles with weak industrial output, aging demographics, and underfunded public infrastructure. [1]
  • Political Fragmentation: Voter dissatisfaction with establishment leaders has caused a sharp rise in support for populist and extremist parties on both the left and the right, leading to legislative gridlock and frequent government instability. [1, 2]
Aunburdened
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sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

I disagree 100% with Snyder on Ukraine, but he's right about this.



Trump trying to discourage Ukraine and disparage NATO is part of him losing trust with allies.

In the case of Europe, stopping the uncontrolled bleeding of European capital and Ukrainian soldiers is very much in the best interest of Europeans.

The European leaders don't agree.

Part of the reason they're polling in the 10%-25% approval range. Those are the lowest recorded approval rates for the heads of state of France, Germany.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/macrons-approval-rating-hits-18-142513831.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/2/just-one-in-10-germans-thinks-merz-is-up-to-the-job-after-election-wipeout

They ain't the only European leaders losing popularity



Hey, is this the same polling company you claimed were propagandists when they showed that Ukrainians wanted to continue fighting the war? They're reliable now?

Those two polls seem rather incongruent, don't they? A smarter person than you would think about that.

No, they line up with exactly what I've been saying: Ukrainians could replace their leader, but the new one would likely continue fighting Russia. I'm not picking and choosing the polls to build my narrative about what Ukraine wants.

So your position is that Ukraine wants to continue their proxy war that's destroying their country, but just change the person in charge that chose war over negotiation.

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BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

I disagree 100% with Snyder on Ukraine, but he's right about this.



Trump trying to discourage Ukraine and disparage NATO is part of him losing trust with allies.

In the case of Europe, stopping the uncontrolled bleeding of European capital and Ukrainian soldiers is very much in the best interest of Europeans.

The European leaders don't agree.

Part of the reason they're polling in the 10%-25% approval range. Those are the lowest recorded approval rates for the heads of state of France, Germany.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/macrons-approval-rating-hits-18-142513831.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/2/just-one-in-10-germans-thinks-merz-is-up-to-the-job-after-election-wipeout


There are much bigger reasons for those low approval numbers and Movie has hit on it repeatedly for months.


The economy and loss of purchasing power is the primary reason for discontent. Mass immigration is part of the economic strain, as is the funding of the Ukraine war to the tune of hundreds of billions.




I agree but I think the immigration factor is larger than your AI overview gives credit for.
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Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

sycasey said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

I disagree 100% with Snyder on Ukraine, but he's right about this.



Trump trying to discourage Ukraine and disparage NATO is part of him losing trust with allies.

In the case of Europe, stopping the uncontrolled bleeding of European capital and Ukrainian soldiers is very much in the best interest of Europeans.

The European leaders don't agree.

Part of the reason they're polling in the 10%-25% approval range. Those are the lowest recorded approval rates for the heads of state of France, Germany.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/macrons-approval-rating-hits-18-142513831.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/10/2/just-one-in-10-germans-thinks-merz-is-up-to-the-job-after-election-wipeout

They ain't the only European leaders losing popularity



Hey, is this the same polling company you claimed were propagandists when they showed that Ukrainians wanted to continue fighting the war? They're reliable now?

Those two polls seem rather incongruent, don't they? A smarter person than you would think about that.

No, they line up with exactly what I've been saying: Ukrainians could replace their leader, but the new one would likely continue fighting Russia. I'm not picking and choosing the polls to build my narrative about what Ukraine wants.

So your position is that Ukraine wants to continue their proxy war that's destroying their country, but just change the person in charge that chose war over negotiation.

I think Zelenskyy's approval is declining for different reasons (also maybe people just get tired of having the same leader after a while), but that doesn't mean Ukraine wants to just stop fighting and accept whatever terms Russia wants. The polls (largely from the same firm) support my interpretation. Your interpretation is that the polls are right when they agree with you but "clearly propaganda" when they don't. Motivated reasoning at its finest.

Also, Ukrainians don't consider this a "proxy war." That's your privileged American framing. They consider it an existential fight to maintain their sovereignty.
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dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

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Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.


Because it's not in there. It clearly says both are being treated. More nothing burgers.

Yes, I see that article doesn't reference what I said. I heard that in a podcast and I will follow up. Here is the originally sourced article from CBS, which says:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded-soldiers-families-accuse-army-downplaying-war-injuries/
Quote:

The Bearmans are also among several survivors and their families who told CBS News they weren't being treated by the military as combat casualties for reasons they could not understand

I will try to get more information on what that means. The podcast said they were being denied certain evaluations.

More reporting on the Trump Administration's failure to get adequate treatment for some of those wounded in Trump's war. Here is more reporting specifically on Bearman:
https://apnews.com/article/iran-war-soldiers-wounded-military-port-shuaiba-f867128532cb6746c26636c2dbaea2fb

Quote:

Chief Warrant Officer 4 Rodney Bearman, who had shrapnel embedded from his face to his legs, and some of the other soldiers who were briefly seen at Kuwaiti medical facilities were sent to the homes of U.S. government employees. Iran had unleashed missiles and drones that made it risky for evacuation flights.
Some 10 days after the attack, the soldiers were loaded onto a cargo plane. They sat on the floor with straps, including Bearman, who could barely eat or lie down.
When they arrived in Germany, Bearman said they learned they were not documented as wounded in combat and would not be hospitalized at Landstuhl. Instead, they were sent to the barracks, as Lincn had been, and told to get outpatient care. Bearman said they were documented that way due to a coding error.
"Never did I think that if I was wounded that these things would happen," said Bearman, who has served for over three decades, including in Afghanistan. "Some sacred trust that I thought would never be broken was broken."

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sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over
It's a CULT.

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dajo9 said:

dajo9 said:

BearlySane88 said:

oski003 said:

dajo9 said:

Trump is denying medical treatment to troops injured in his Iran War. This is the President that won the veterans vote.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/wounded-soldiers-accuse-pentagon-of-downplaying-their-injuries/ar-AA26wDz0


I don't see any info in the article indicating these two soldiers are being denied medical treatment.


Because it's not in there. It clearly says both are being treated. More nothing burgers.

Yes, I see that article doesn't reference what I said. I heard that in a podcast and I will follow up. Here is the originally sourced article from CBS, which says:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wounded-soldiers-families-accuse-army-downplaying-war-injuries/
Quote:

The Bearmans are also among several survivors and their families who told CBS News they weren't being treated by the military as combat casualties for reasons they could not understand

I will try to get more information on what that means. The podcast said they were being denied certain evaluations.

More reporting on the Trump Administration's failure to get adequate treatment for some of those wounded in Trump's war. Here is more reporting specifically on Bearman:
https://apnews.com/article/iran-war-soldiers-wounded-military-port-shuaiba-f867128532cb6746c26636c2dbaea2fb

Quote:

Chief Warrant Officer 4 Rodney Bearman, who had shrapnel embedded from his face to his legs, and some of the other soldiers who were briefly seen at Kuwaiti medical facilities were sent to the homes of U.S. government employees. Iran had unleashed missiles and drones that made it risky for evacuation flights.
Some 10 days after the attack, the soldiers were loaded onto a cargo plane. They sat on the floor with straps, including Bearman, who could barely eat or lie down.
When they arrived in Germany, Bearman said they learned they were not documented as wounded in combat and would not be hospitalized at Landstuhl. Instead, they were sent to the barracks, as Lincn had been, and told to get outpatient care. Bearman said they were documented that way due to a coding error.
"Never did I think that if I was wounded that these things would happen," said Bearman, who has served for over three decades, including in Afghanistan. "Some sacred trust that I thought would never be broken was broken."




A Pentagon official told the AP that Landstuhl Regional Medical Center's role in battlefield casualty situations is to stabilize patients for transfer to specialized care in the United States, not to provide long-term inpatient admission. In a statement, the Pentagon said all wounded service members who arrive at its medical facilities are evaluated and may be admitted based on injury severity, following standard healthcare practices. It has maintained that the medical care provided was appropriate.
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DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.


I'm claiming that there is no path to victory for Iran. We've had this exact conversation before, not sure why you're acting surprised.
Cal88
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Ah yes, we've already won that war 27 times, never mind.
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.


I'm claiming that there is no path to victory for Iran. We've had this exact conversation before, not sure why you're acting surprised.
this makes me feel a little better about the upcoming game against Va Tech
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cal83dls79 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.


I'm claiming that there is no path to victory for Iran. We've had this exact conversation before, not sure why you're acting surprised.

this makes me feel a little better about the upcoming game against Va Tech

You shouldn't. We will lose by 20
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Cal88 said:

Ah yes, we've already won that war 27 times, never mind.

lol EXACTLY
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SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

Ah yes, we've already won that war 27 times, never mind.

lol EXACTLY

Half of your posts are spam/click bait, the other half are posts like this. All of them clog the board.

There's a star system for a reason

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ChudBear said:

cal83dls79 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.


I'm claiming that there is no path to victory for Iran. We've had this exact conversation before, not sure why you're acting surprised.

this makes me feel a little better about the upcoming game against Va Tech

You shouldn't. We will lose by 20
we'll no, we won't lose, we just wouldn't have had a clear path to winning
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cal83dls79 said:

ChudBear said:

cal83dls79 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

Iran will be a war with no winner.


Been 7 months with NO winner contrary to all of the Kool-Aid being dispensed by Trump.

As of July 10th:



32 times Trump suggested the war in Iran was almost over


Because it is. The energy situation isn't but the war is, if you even want to call it a war.

Are you really claiming here that the war in Iran is over.


I'm claiming that there is no path to victory for Iran. We've had this exact conversation before, not sure why you're acting surprised.

this makes me feel a little better about the upcoming game against Va Tech

You shouldn't. We will lose by 20

we'll no, we won't lose, we just wouldn't have had a clear path to winning

We lose with no clear path to winning. See how that works?
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Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.
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cal83dls79 said:

Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.


The "goalposts" by Trump have been moved so many times since March that his own followers can't even keep up.
It's a CULT.

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ChudBear said:

SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

Ah yes, we've already won that war 27 times, never mind.

lol EXACTLY

Half of your posts are spam/click bait, the other half are posts like this. All of them clog the board.

There's a star system for a reason

The purpose of the star system is to show how people are sheep. See how many stars the person with the most stars gets for pumping up rubes every year with false hope and that will tell you what stars are worth.

The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.

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cal83dls79 said:

Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.

There is no path to winning for Iran. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I'll refrain from inserting a personal attack like you did. Bigger person and all that.

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Aunburdened said:

ChudBear said:

SBGold said:

Cal88 said:

Ah yes, we've already won that war 27 times, never mind.

lol EXACTLY

Half of your posts are spam/click bait, the other half are posts like this. All of them clog the board.

There's a star system for a reason

The purpose of the star system is to show how people are sheep. See how many stars the person with the most stars gets for pumping up rubes every year with false hope and that will tell you what stars are worth.

The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.



"lol EXACTLY"
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DiabloWags said:

cal83dls79 said:

Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.


The "goalposts" by Trump have been moved so many times since March that his own followers can't even keep up.


Which endzone are we scoring on now?
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Aunburdened said:


The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.




I'm surprised that you forgot about GhostridetheCart, GrinandBearit, DaddyLegend, and brobear.
Those guys are bonified star makers!
It's a CULT.

Cal88
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They haven't gotten the memo about the war being over...



Quote:

BREAKING: Multiple missile launches by Iran towards the Strait of Hormuz. Unclear as to whether or not any vessels have been struck, but it is likely that the United States is trying to push through a convoy of tankers.

Iran has struck 14 vessels in the last 8 days, and multiple vessels have now begun to abandon transits entirely in what can only be described as a loss of confidence in American protection.

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ChudBear said:

cal83dls79 said:

Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.

There is no path to winning for Iran. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I'll refrain from inserting a personal attack like you did. Bigger person and all that.


ok I "see how that works". Finally!
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cal83dls79 said:

ChudBear said:

cal83dls79 said:

Of course that's how it works. It's just that you seem to equate the current state as "winning" which is quite the departure from the stated goals of this operation.
So if you want to keep chasing the definition of winning and losing or word salad like "no path to winning" then I guess we can bore this thread as per your usual.

There is no path to winning for Iran. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I'll refrain from inserting a personal attack like you did. Bigger person and all that.



ok I "see how that works". Finally!

Anytime for you
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DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:


The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.

https://media.tenor.com/uARaKFpSkaMAAAAC/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif


I'm surprised that you forgot about GhostridetheCart, GrinandBearit, DaddyLegend, and brobear.
Those guys are bonified star makers!



ProBonerBear is calling

I haven't posted here in months. You might be obsessed.
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GhostRideTheCart said:

DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:


The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.




I'm surprised that you forgot about GhostridetheCart, GrinandBearit, DaddyLegend, and brobear.
Those guys are bonified star makers!


ProBonerBear is calling

I haven't posted here in months. You might be obsessed.

Post more often
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Aunburdened said:

GhostRideTheCart said:

DiabloWags said:

Aunburdened said:


The good news is now that Dwight Way has enough accounts, he can always make sure all of his posts get at least 4 of them.

https://media.tenor.com/uARaKFpSkaMAAAAC/anger-management-jack-nicholson.gif


I'm surprised that you forgot about GhostridetheCart, GrinandBearit, DaddyLegend, and brobear.
Those guys are bonified star makers!


ProBonerBear is calling

I haven't posted here in months. You might be obsessed.

Post more often


I'm more of a sit back and watch kind of guy but your encouragement is kind. Thank you
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I started this thread and now here you are, making me laugh.
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Here's the truth about this war: it's a stalemate. The US is losing and Iran is losing. It's incredibly stupid.
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