Operation Epic Furry Energy Crisis Thread

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oski003
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DiabloWags said:

No one was able to answer my question given that 60% of the oil refined in the United States comes from the Permian and Baaken oil fields.

In similar vein, Mexico accounted for HALF of our gasoline exports.
We are the largest gasoline exporter in the World.

In 2023, U.S. motor gasoline exports (finished gasoline plus gasoline blending components) averaged 900,000 barrels per day (bpd). This is equivalent to about 10% of domestic consumption and enough to fill up the tanks of over 1.5 million SUVs per day, assuming an average tank size of 24 gallons, the EIA noted.





The United States is the world's largest gasoline exporter - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Where Does the United States Get Its Oil to Refine Int...



The question WAS answered in the other thread.
Cal88
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oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Does anyone know why half of our crude oil production is being EXPORTED overseas?

Why doesn't Trump want that oil to stay in the U.S. and be refined into gasoline for U.S. consumers to use?











You were badgering folks about this in the Economy thread less than a week ago. When they engaged in honest dialog with you, you continuously ridiculed them, with little or no reason. Why are you doing this again? Have a nice Mother's Day and please do better.


You don't "badger" people with relevant, quality content, you inform them.

I learned something about the current oil situation and inventory flows from the two Wags posts above - and had to wade through petty posts like that one here to get to the relevant material.

BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Does anyone know why half of our crude oil production is being EXPORTED overseas?

Why doesn't Trump want that oil to stay in the U.S. and be refined into gasoline for U.S. consumers to use?











You were badgering folks about this in the Economy thread less than a week ago. When they engaged in honest dialog with you, you continuously ridiculed them, with little or no reason. Why are you doing this again? Have a nice Mother's Day and please do better.


You don't "badger" people with relevant, quality content, you inform them.

I learned something about the current oil situation and inventory flows from the two Wags posts above - and had to wade through petty posts like that one here to get to the relevant material.




He didn't say Wags was badgering in the above posts. He said Wags was badgering in the Economy thread about this exact topic.
Cal88
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Does anyone know why half of our crude oil production is being EXPORTED overseas?

Why doesn't Trump want that oil to stay in the U.S. and be refined into gasoline for U.S. consumers to use?











You were badgering folks about this in the Economy thread less than a week ago. When they engaged in honest dialog with you, you continuously ridiculed them, with little or no reason. Why are you doing this again? Have a nice Mother's Day and please do better.


You don't "badger" people with relevant, quality content, you inform them.

I learned something about the current oil situation and inventory flows from the two Wags posts above - and had to wade through petty posts like that one here to get to the relevant material.




He didn't say Wags was badgering in the above posts. He said Wags was badgering in the Economy thread about this exact topic.


Thank you for that remarkable contribution to this thread about the energy crisis.
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

oski003 said:

DiabloWags said:

Does anyone know why half of our crude oil production is being EXPORTED overseas?

Why doesn't Trump want that oil to stay in the U.S. and be refined into gasoline for U.S. consumers to use?











You were badgering folks about this in the Economy thread less than a week ago. When they engaged in honest dialog with you, you continuously ridiculed them, with little or no reason. Why are you doing this again? Have a nice Mother's Day and please do better.


You don't "badger" people with relevant, quality content, you inform them.

I learned something about the current oil situation and inventory flows from the two Wags posts above - and had to wade through petty posts like that one here to get to the relevant material.




He didn't say Wags was badgering in the above posts. He said Wags was badgering in the Economy thread about this exact topic.


Thank you for that remarkable contribution to this thread about the energy crisis.

It was a response to your post. If I'm off topic then so were you
Cal88
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Thanks again, and goodnight.
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

Thanks again, and goodnight.


Right back at ya
Cal88
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brobear
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through
Cal88
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brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.
SBGold
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.

BINGO
brobear
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember my old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards

apparently i am fooling you if you think you've got it all figured out. its fun to watch some of you blame everyone you disagree with of being a sock puppet
PAC-10-BEAR
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concordtom said:


We stole Venezuela oil, now we are stealing Iranian ships?


We stole Venezuela's enriched uranium, too.

Cal88
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brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.
brobear
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.



apparently you're wrong because you're talking to one now
Cal88
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brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.



apparently you're wrong because you're talking to one now


Source: trust me brobear.
brobear
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.



apparently you're wrong because you're talking to one now


Source: trust me brobear.


the best source would be the source. id appreciate it if you stop defaming me. thank you
SBGold
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold



It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.



i wish i had that time and follow through



Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.


created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.


100%
Aunburdened
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Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold

It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.

i wish i had that time and follow through

Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.

created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.

Being on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years has given me almost the exact same posting pattern. Why would I want to talk about something as depressing as Cal sports with a bunch of homers who get propagandized about the football team winning 9 games this year, never accomplishing it, and never realizing that maybe they should stop believing the folks pushing that message.

Maybe if Cal ever does win 9 games in football I'll post again on a sports board, but right now I choose not to participate in that delusion with all the people who have more money than sense and waste it on Cal sports.
chazzed
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We are really, really screwed.

Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold

It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.

i wish i had that time and follow through

Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.

created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.

Being on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years has given me almost the exact same posting pattern. Why would I want to talk about something as depressing as Cal sports with a bunch of homers who get propagandized about the football team winning 9 games this year, never accomplishing it, and never realizing that maybe they should stop believing the folks pushing that message.

Maybe if Cal ever does win 9 games in football I'll post again on a sports board, but right now I choose not to participate in that delusion with all the people who have more money than sense and waste it on Cal sports.


Before you confined yourself to this board (for whatever reason), you were a very prolific poster on the main boards, so it's not quite the same posting pattern and evolution as this brobear account here.

I have a good inkling as to whose sock account that handle is.

Aunburdened
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

Cal88 said:

brobear said:

DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

nuary, 100% At least 10 posts of yours saying this exact same thing. Why is that necessary? I'm genuinely asking


80%-90% of your own posts aren't necessary, more about petty squabbling than genuine attempts at holding a conversation on an interesting topic.


Bingo.

I find that this poster never actually discusses the topic of the thread.
Only about the posters that are posting in the thread.

It's not helpful to the forum.






you felt the need to go back two months to say this? your posts are so petty, makes it even funnier when you try to call others out for being childish

"this poster always talks about other posters…" as you're talking about a poster and not the topic. pure comedy gold

It's pretty clear that you are a sock puppet act. for a regular poster here.

i wish i had that time and follow through

Account created in January, 100% of your posts are on the off-topic board. You're not fooling anyone here.

created in january - true couldn't remember by old login info
100% on ot - true but i read all the other boards


I've been on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years, no genuine Cal fan poster has ever had that kind of a posting pattern.

Being on this board and its predecessor for over 20 years has given me almost the exact same posting pattern. Why would I want to talk about something as depressing as Cal sports with a bunch of homers who get propagandized about the football team winning 9 games this year, never accomplishing it, and never realizing that maybe they should stop believing the folks pushing that message.

Maybe if Cal ever does win 9 games in football I'll post again on a sports board, but right now I choose not to participate in that delusion with all the people who have more money than sense and waste it on Cal sports.


Before you confined yourself to this board (for whatever reason), you were a very prolific poster on the main boards, so it's not quite the same posting pattern as this brobear account here.

I have a good inkling as to whose sock account that handle is.

Yeah, but that guy probably came to the same conclusion I did.
Cal88
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chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.



Typical oligarch move, extracting wealth from US consumers. People hate on Xi and Putin, but the first thing they did months ago when this crisis flared up was to ban the export of refined petroleum products in order to shield their people from economic damage.

DiabloWags
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chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.




We are exporting RECORD amounts of crude oil now.

While the American consumer is held hostage and suffers from a War that Congress never authorized, let alone was informed of.

This is how you MAGA?

Thank You President Trump for screwing America!


oski003
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Cal88 said:

chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.



Typical oligarch move, extracting wealth from US consumers. People hate on Xi and Putin, but the first thing they did months ago when this crisis flared up was to ban the export of refined petroleum products in order to shield their people from economic damage.




The oil is sold on the open market, not necessarily all to foreigners. Do the buyers have any unique obligations when purchasing from the SPR?
DiabloWags
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FACT:

President Trump has depleted the SPR to only 34% of capacity.

Now, he's loaning out 53.3 million barrels.
He's getting DESPERATE.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-loan-533-million-barrels-oil-strategic-petroleum-reserve-2026-05-11/
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Why Exports Happen (and Why Restricting Them Wouldn't Lower Prices Much)

  • Refinery mismatch is the core issue: U.S. shale production yields mostly light, sweet crude. Many Gulf Coast refineries (built decades ago) are optimized for heavier, sourer crudes (imported mainly from Canada). Exporting surplus light crude and importing heavy allows efficient blending and maximum output of gasoline, diesel, etc. Forcing all light crude domestic would overload some refineries, reduce throughput, and cut product supply.
  • Oil is a global commodity: Gasoline/diesel prices track global benchmarks (like Brent), not just domestic crude. Restricting exports might temporarily widen the WTI discount (making U.S. crude cheaper locally), but it wouldn't proportionally cut pump pricesand could raise global prices by reducing supply.
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DiabloWags said:

chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.

We are exporting RECORD amounts of crude oil now.

Do you prefer IMPORTING record amounts of crude oil?
DiabloWags
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It's interesting to see how the reaction to Trump depleting our SPR by 172 million barrels and down to just 34% of capacity from MAGA pales in comparison to when Biden released oil from the SPR.

There's been no outcry from MAGA since Trump has depleted our reserves.

Sounds hypocritical.


Cal88
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oski003 said:

Cal88 said:

chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.



Typical oligarch move, extracting wealth from US consumers. People hate on Xi and Putin, but the first thing they did months ago when this crisis flared up was to ban the export of refined petroleum products in order to shield their people from economic damage.




The oil is sold on the open market, not necessarily all to foreigners. Do the buyers have any unique obligations when purchasing from the SPR?


Foreign buyers are willing to pay more, because they are way further out on the scarcity scale, their inventory levels are lower. That's why we have record export levels.

As Wags implied, there is no national interest being taken in consideration here, only pure short term profits.

Related issue:

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Cal88 said:

chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.

Typical oligarch move, extracting wealth from US consumers. People hate on Xi and Putin, but the first thing they did months ago when this crisis flared up was to ban the export of refined petroleum products in order to shield their people from economic damage.

So it's Russia and China who are selfishly prioritizing domestic needs over global market stability, worsening shortages and driving up prices for everyone else?
DiabloWags
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Im sure that Trump can fix all of this during his summit with Xi. Just look at how he's opened the Strait of Hormuz?
DiabloWags
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FYI:

Insurance premiums have risen 32 fold from pre war levels to record highs, translating into bills as much as $8 million for a single large tanker.

Never mind more than 2,000 requests for help have come into the International Transport Workers Federation, a seafarers union, half of them over missed pay. About 200 come from ships whose crews are running low on food fuel and water.

Thank you President Trump!
Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

chazzed said:

We are really, really screwed.

Typical oligarch move, extracting wealth from US consumers. People hate on Xi and Putin, but the first thing they did months ago when this crisis flared up was to ban the export of refined petroleum products in order to shield their people from economic damage.

So it's Russia and China who are selfishly prioritizing domestic needs over global market stability, worsening shortages and driving up prices for everyone else?


The most selfish and reckless thing here, which seems to have escaped you, was STARTING THIS WAR OF CHOICE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Leaders who place their people's interests over short term profits aren't exactly selfish.
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DiabloWags said:

It's interesting to see how the reaction to Trump depleting our SPR by 172 million barrels and down to just 34% of capacity from MAGA pales in comparison to when Biden released oil from the SPR.

There's been no outcry from MAGA since Trump has depleted our reserves.

Sounds hypocritical.

Biden was criticized for easing pain due to his own war on fossil fuels and ban on Russian imports.

Summary comparison:
  • Biden: ~230300 million barrels gross drained (net ~220240 million after partial refills).
  • Trump (to date): 172 million authorized (~half or more released so far), on top of an already depleted reserve.
 
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