Iran War fans, riddle me this...

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dajo9
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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Big C said:

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Big C said:

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HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

We could sell it as Trump being a one-off Svengali who used dogma to win two fairly narrow elections. Most of our allies have a political figure like this, too. Some have even gotten elected. We could tell 'em (behind closed doors), hey, you all know Americans have never been the brightest people in the world. Our allies, especially the Europeans, eat that kind of stuff up.

We could tell 'em to not let several years of Trump outweigh decades of support and stability.

Yes, we would need to work to reestablish trust.


It's the ultimate victory of people like Cal88 and Putin


Putin/Russia wins big financially from this war with a huge windfall in oil and gas exports, and US military resources diverted from the Ukraine front.

However anti-war advocates like Joe Kent here or yours truly are against this war of choice.

Do you see how stupid your argument here is?


You supporting the candidate who would bring us into senseless war and then opposing the war itself is perfectly on brand for you.
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
BearlySane88
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HearstMining said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.


My post wasn't a comment on people working in the gig economy, I fully agree with your statement. It was specifically targeted at Trader Joe's employees.

Not sure which TJ you shop at, but all the ones I frequent have employees who are friendly, competent, quick to open a new register, and seem happy to work there. Where I live, a lot of the TJ employees are in their 60s, probably working because the have to, but nonetheless focused on doing a good job.


Nothing about them doing their job well or not was said. All the Trader Joe's workers I know or have ever met in store are of the left leaning variety
BearlySane88
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Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.


My post wasn't a comment on people working in the gig economy, I fully agree with your statement. It was specifically targeted at Trader Joe's employees.

Not sure which TJ you shop at, but all the ones I frequent have employees who are friendly, competent, quick to open a new register, and seem happy to work there. Where I live, a lot of the TJ employees are in their 60s, probably working because the have to, but nonetheless focused on doing a good job.


Could be the second job for a lot of these employees.

That dig by BarelySane was in very poor taste.


You all took that way differently than what I wrote. TJ's have left leaning employees. That's what I said
Cal88
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Big C said:

dajo9 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

We could sell it as Trump being a one-off Svengali who used dogma to win two fairly narrow elections. Most of our allies have a political figure like this, too. Some have even gotten elected. We could tell 'em (behind closed doors), hey, you all know Americans have never been the brightest people in the world. Our allies, especially the Europeans, eat that kind of stuff up.

We could tell 'em to not let several years of Trump outweigh decades of support and stability.

Yes, we would need to work to reestablish trust.


It's the ultimate victory of people like Cal88 and Putin


Putin/Russia wins big financially from this war with a huge windfall in oil and gas exports, and US military resources diverted from the Ukraine front.

However anti-war advocates like Joe Kent here or yours truly are against this war of choice.

Do you see how stupid your argument here is?


You supporting the candidate who would bring us into senseless war and then opposing the war itself is perfectly on brand for you.


Jill Stein brought us into senseless war?

This being said, Trump did campaign against wars of choice, and for an end to the Ukraine war, and pulled 180s.
Cal88
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



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The Supreme Leader tried first and failed.
Trump responded and succeeded.
DiabloWags
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How has this benefited YOU?
PAC-10-BEAR
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It's sad that someone who was a decorated war veteran leaked classified information.
DiabloWags
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

It's sad that someone who was a decorated war veteran leaked classified information.


It's sad that you once again are deflecting.
And refused to answer my question.


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DiabloWags said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

It's sad that someone who was a decorated war veteran leaked classified information.


It's sad that you once again are deflecting.
And refused to answer my question.





Do you still really not understand why people don't answer your troll questions?
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DiabloWags said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

It's sad that someone who was a decorated war veteran leaked classified information.

It's sad that you once again are deflecting.
And refused to answer my question.

Ask not what Trump can do for you, ask what you can do for Trump.
DiabloWags
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I have a much better idea.
I will add you to my IGNORE list for the rest of the year.
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DiabloWags said:

I have a much better idea.
I will add you to my IGNORE list for the rest of the year.

coool DW, blocking any/all trolls saves time for both you and other curious readers too,
all at the same time # so much winning
sighned, not dead yet # funk trunk; i.c.e. too
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DiabloWags said:

I have a much better idea.
I will add you to my IGNORE list for the rest of the year.



Your echo chamber grows
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DiabloWags said:

I have a much better idea.
I will add you to my IGNORE list for the rest of the year.

DiabloWags
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Not even Republicans will be voting for this.
No way.

This is one-fifth of the DoD budget.

Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR
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Iran executes 19-year-old champion wrestler Saleh Mohammadi, and two others in horrific public hangings for participating in protests against the regime.

The public executions are a signal that whoever is in charge will continue brutal crackdowns?
DiabloWags
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Cal88 said:




He's as dumb as Baghdad Bob.
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Is Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei still in charge and secondly, is he still gay?
Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Is Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei still in charge and secondly, is he still gay?


Ask Mamdani's homophobic wife, she would know, right?
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Big C said:

Yup. I'm off to bed, too. Just watered down my roof and put a piece of plexi-glass covering over our bedroom window. That's too quick a fix for effective air defense, but I also ordered three cases of Ukranian Drone Stoppers off of Amazon, $157.50 for the three, over 850 five-star ratings, free shipping, arrive Tuesday. Unfortunately, the paisley ones have sold out.

You get a star for creativity.

By the way, it was just this morning that I was researching Paisley's. When did they become a fashionable thing ?

Did you know that they date back to Iran, and then India, and then the town of Paisley Scotland, who had Weaver's which made the pattern coming from the soldiers returning from India?
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Is Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei still in charge and secondly, is he still gay?


Yes, Lindsay Graham is going to negotiate
DiabloWags
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Trump may have started this War without the approval of Congress.

But he's not gonna be able to FUND it without Congress.

Popcorn ready.
Cal88
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Unfortunately a lot of Democrats are pro-Operation AIPAC Fury, not sure Congress is going to act.

Things might change a bit after the midterms.
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Cal88 said:

Unfortunately a lot of Democrats are pro-Operation AIPAC Fury, not sure Congress is going to act.

Things might change a bit after the midterms.


Not with the way Democrats are handling themselves. Voters aren't falling in line with progressives and it'll just be more of the same
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Cal88 said:


Things might change a bit after the midterms.

Not really
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DiabloWags said:

Trump may have started this War without the approval of Congress.

But he's not gonna be able to FUND it without Congress.

Popcorn ready.




They'll fund it especially if more Americans die soon which seems likely and we''re into the " not in vain"
BS. There really isn't an anti war party
DiabloWags
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Anarchistbear said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump may have started this War without the approval of Congress.

But he's not gonna be able to FUND it without Congress.

Popcorn ready.




They'll fund it especially if more Americans die soon which seems likely and we''re into the " not in vain"
BS. There really isn't an anti war party


I disagree.

There was no consensus or coalition developed before going to War as what happened before the attack on Iraq.
Even people in the GOP are tired of seeing so much money go to the industrial military complex.

Republican's already slashed safety-net programs when it came to Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill" that turned out not so beautiful for the middle and lower class.

Republicans funding $200 Billlion for this War will be "at-risk" come midterms in my opinion.

This is Trump's war.
Period.


DiabloWags
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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DiabloWags said:








Funny how movielover and PAC-10-Bear never post these Polymarket charts.
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DiabloWags said:

Anarchistbear said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump may have started this War without the approval of Congress.

But he's not gonna be able to FUND it without Congress.

Popcorn ready.




They'll fund it especially if more Americans die soon which seems likely and we''re into the " not in vain"
BS. There really isn't an anti war party


I disagree.

There was no consensus or coalition developed before going to War as what happened before the attack on Iraq.
Even people in the GOP are tired of seeing so much money go to the industrial military complex.

Republican's already slashed safety-net programs when it came to Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill" that turned out not so beautiful for the middle and lower class.

Republicans funding $200 Billlion for this War will be "at-risk" come midterms in my opinion.

This is Trump's war.
Period.





Democrats will vote to fund the war. All the Jewish Senators are Democrats. There are ten
DiabloWags
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

DiabloWags said:








Funny how movielover and PAC-10-Bear never post these Polymarket charts.


Yes, a most interesting phenomenon.
Odds of a Recession are now up to 35.0% on Polymarket.


Aunburdened
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Anarchistbear said:

DiabloWags said:

Anarchistbear said:

DiabloWags said:

Trump may have started this War without the approval of Congress.

But he's not gonna be able to FUND it without Congress.

Popcorn ready.


They'll fund it especially if more Americans die soon which seems likely and we''re into the " not in vain"
BS. There really isn't an anti war party

I disagree.

There was no consensus or coalition developed before going to War as what happened before the attack on Iraq.
Even people in the GOP are tired of seeing so much money go to the industrial military complex.

Republican's already slashed safety-net programs when it came to Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill" that turned out not so beautiful for the middle and lower class.

Republicans funding $200 Billlion for this War will be "at-risk" come midterms in my opinion.

This is Trump's war.
Period.




Democrats will vote to fund the war. All the Jewish Senators are Democrats. There are ten

Imagine what those poor afflicted souls with Trump Derangement Syndrome could learn if they paid as much attention to the rest of government as they do to all the dumb things Trump says and does.

Unfortunately, it interferes with their brunch plans.
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