Iran War fans, riddle me this...

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Big C
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How do you get CNN and Fox News to agree on something?

(Somebody? Anybody?)

START A SORRY-ASS WAR!

Show an Iranian crowd supposedly chanting, "Death to America!" (like anybody here knows what they're really saying... could just as well be "SMU to the NIT!").

BTW, we're gonna need to double our military budget... it costs some serious bucks to shoot down $30,000 Iranian drones with $5,000,000 missiles. Meanwhile, new BART hours of operation are 7 AM to 7 PM, M-F, between the six stations that can afford to remain open.
wifeisafurd
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Big C said:

How do you get CNN and Fox News to agree on something?

(Somebody? Anybody?)

START A SORRY-ASS WAR!

Show an Iranian crowd supposedly chanting, "Death to America!" (like anybody here knows what they're really saying... could just as well be "SMU to the NIT!").

BTW, we're gonna need to double our military budget... it costs some serious bucks to shoot down $30,000 Iranian drones with $5,000,000 missiles. Meanwhile, new BART hours of operation are 7 AM to 7 PM, M-F, between the six stations that can afford to remain open.

Sounds like you are having the same mood swings. From my post on the long war thread:

My Google News Aggregator has me whipsawed.

NPR just told me Trump has been knocked back on his hells by Iran's attacks.

NBC is saying Iran wants to negotiate a ceasefire, but Trump says he isn't ready yet.

The WSJ said Trump will announce a coalition to take over the Strait.

Fox is reporting Trump thinks the new Iranian leader is "no longer alive".

No-one really is confirming anyone else's stories.

And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?

Going to bed. Maybe it is April 1 at the news desk.
Big C
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Yup. I'm off to bed, too. Just watered down my roof and put a piece of plexi-glass covering over our bedroom window. That's too quick a fix for effective air defense, but I also ordered three cases of Ukranian Drone Stoppers off of Amazon, $157.50 for the three, over 850 five-star ratings, free shipping, arrive Tuesday. Unfortunately, the paisley ones have sold out.
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wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:

How do you get CNN and Fox News to agree on something?

(Somebody? Anybody?)

START A SORRY-ASS WAR!

Show an Iranian crowd supposedly chanting, "Death to America!" (like anybody here knows what they're really saying... could just as well be "SMU to the NIT!").

BTW, we're gonna need to double our military budget... it costs some serious bucks to shoot down $30,000 Iranian drones with $5,000,000 missiles. Meanwhile, new BART hours of operation are 7 AM to 7 PM, M-F, between the six stations that can afford to remain open.

Sounds like you are having the same mood swings. From my post on the long war thread:

My Google News Aggregator has me whipsawed.

NPR just told me Trump has been knocked back on his hells by Iran's attacks.

NBC is saying Iran wants to negotiate a ceasefire, but Trump says he isn't ready yet.

The WSJ said Trump will announce a coalition to take over the Strait.

Fox is reporting Trump thinks the new Iranian leader is "no longer alive".

No-one really is confirming anyone else's stories.

And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?

Going to bed. Maybe it is April 1 at the news desk.

Trump "thinks" and says lot of things.
That's the problem.

On Saturday, Trump said that Iran wanted to negotiate a ceasefire.
Iran's Foreign Minister denies seeking a ceasefire and sees no reason to negotiate with the U.S.

That's not NBC's fault.

Here's my thread that illustrates how ridiculously poor the Administrations messaging has been.

Actual Quotes on the war from Trump, Hegseth, and Leavitt.

Amateur Hour.

Trump's Mixed Messaging on IRAN | Bear Insider







Cal88
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Rachel Maddow covering for Israel, blaming the war on Qatar, as if that sheikdom wasn't going to be blow up in a war with Iran.

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Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?
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HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :

DiabloWags
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HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?


No way.
Russia's exports of oil wind up with India and China.
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wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?

"The president said yesterday in a phone call with the Financial Times' Ed Luce: "We've essentially decimated Iran … They have no navy, no anti-aircraft, no air force, everything is gone. The only thing they can do is make a little trouble by putting a mine in the water a nuisance, but the nuisance can cause problems."

Anna Kelly, the White House's principal deputy press secretary, emphasized to us that Operation Epic Fury is the result of "months and months of meticulous planning," with "ample options" provided to the president, who took all of his top officials' views into account as he made the final decision.

Trump could pull out tomorrow. But the Iranians could keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and push oil prices so high that America would have to re-engage.

The Iranians have made it clear in private and in public that even if Trump decides to end the war, they could continue shooting missiles and rockets until they get guarantees that this is the end of the war, not just a temporary ceasefire.

Behind the scenes: Trump has grown accustomed to doing what he wants and then quickly improvising if things go south. But this time, some in his inner circle have what one official called "buyer's remorse" growing fears that attacking Iran was a mistake.

A source close to the administration said some key officials around Trump were reluctant or wanted more time. "He ended up saying, 'I just want to do it,'" the source said. "He grossly overestimated his ability to topple the regime short of sending in ground troops."

The source said Trump was "high on his own supply" after last summer's quick strikes in Iran and January's abduction of Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro: "He saw multiple decisive quick victories with extraordinary military competence."

Reality check: Trump's war of choice certainly looks like a military success so far. Iran's missile and drone launches have greatly decreased, indicating it's running out of weapons or the ability to fire them.

The U.S. and Israeli air forces have overhead supremacy to bomb at will.

Much of the Iranian navy is underwater.

The ayatollah and senior leaders have been killed.

The U.S. military death toll (at least 13) could have been greater for this breadth of action.

What's next: Trump now may have to make a tough decision on a significant military escalation new territory for him as president.

Some officials close to him had hoped he'd be able to show some quick gains and declare victory. Now, it's not apparent how he'd do that convincingly.

As Barak reported, the U.S. doesn't have clear enough lines of communication with the Iranian regime to make a deal that's sure to stick. Trump said on Truth Social on Friday night that Iran "is totally defeated and wants a deal - But not a deal that I would accept!"

The bottom line: To claim victory, the Iranian regime just needs to stay alive."
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bearister said:

wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?


Watch the Mearsheimer interview above (now here's a knowledgeable discerning American), and contrast with that statement here, day and night...
wifeisafurd
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wifeisafurd said:

Big C said:

How do you get CNN and Fox News to agree on something?

(Somebody? Anybody?)

START A SORRY-ASS WAR!

Show an Iranian crowd supposedly chanting, "Death to America!" (like anybody here knows what they're really saying... could just as well be "SMU to the NIT!").

BTW, we're gonna need to double our military budget... it costs some serious bucks to shoot down $30,000 Iranian drones with $5,000,000 missiles. Meanwhile, new BART hours of operation are 7 AM to 7 PM, M-F, between the six stations that can afford to remain open.

Sounds like you are having the same mood swings. From my post on the long war thread:

My Google News Aggregator has me whipsawed.

NPR just told me Trump has been knocked back on his hells by Iran's attacks.

NBC is saying Iran wants to negotiate a ceasefire, but Trump says he isn't ready yet.

The WSJ said Trump will announce a coalition to take over the Strait.

Fox is reporting Trump thinks the new Iranian leader is "no longer alive".

No-one really is confirming anyone else's stories.

And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?

Going to bed. Maybe it is April 1 at the news desk.

NPR moved on to the coalition and Strait.
NBC moved on to the coalition and Strait.
WSJ doubled down 24 hours ago and said once again that Trump will announce a coalition.
Fox has moved on to the coalition. No one really seems to care if the new leader is dead or alive.
Going to have dinner. I have no answers to riddles or know what the hell really is happening on the ground in Iran.


wifeisafurd
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bearister said:

wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?

"The president said yesterday in a phone call with the Financial Times' Ed Luce: "We've essentially decimated Iran … They have no navy, no anti-aircraft, no air force, everything is gone. The only thing they can do is make a little trouble by putting a mine in the water a nuisance, but the nuisance can cause problems."

Anna Kelly, the White House's principal deputy press secretary, emphasized to us that Operation Epic Fury is the result of "months and months of meticulous planning," with "ample options" provided to the president, who took all of his top officials' views into account as he made the final decision.

Trump could pull out tomorrow. But the Iranians could keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and push oil prices so high that America would have to re-engage.

The Iranians have made it clear in private and in public that even if Trump decides to end the war, they could continue shooting missiles and rockets until they get guarantees that this is the end of the war, not just a temporary ceasefire.

Behind the scenes: Trump has grown accustomed to doing what he wants and then quickly improvising if things go south. But this time, some in his inner circle have what one official called "buyer's remorse" growing fears that attacking Iran was a mistake.

A source close to the administration said some key officials around Trump were reluctant or wanted more time. "He ended up saying, 'I just want to do it,'" the source said. "He grossly overestimated his ability to topple the regime short of sending in ground troops."

The source said Trump was "high on his own supply" after last summer's quick strikes in Iran and January's abduction of Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro: "He saw multiple decisive quick victories with extraordinary military competence."

Reality check: Trump's war of choice certainly looks like a military success so far. Iran's missile and drone launches have greatly decreased, indicating it's running out of weapons or the ability to fire them.

The U.S. and Israeli air forces have overhead supremacy to bomb at will.

Much of the Iranian navy is underwater.

The ayatollah and senior leaders have been killed.

The U.S. military death toll (at least 13) could have been greater for this breadth of action.

What's next: Trump now may have to make a tough decision on a significant military escalation new territory for him as president.

Some officials close to him had hoped he'd be able to show some quick gains and declare victory. Now, it's not apparent how he'd do that convincingly.

As Barak reported, the U.S. doesn't have clear enough lines of communication with the Iranian regime to make a deal that's sure to stick. Trump said on Truth Social on Friday night that Iran "is totally defeated and wants a deal - But not a deal that I would accept!"

The bottom line: To claim victory, the Iranian regime just needs to stay alive."
Axios

I may not be discerning enough, but a lot of what you said appears to be speculation. Trump, for example, says a lot of stuff that often is just hyperbole. I read your reality check and I'm wondering why we need a coalition to protect anything. Usually in a war we have talking heads describing actions, reports from imbedded reporters and a lot of information. All I hear about from the media on my news aggregator today is about the coalition to guard ships against a ....decapitated Iran military?
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Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.
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Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



Of course it's symbolic - symbolic of Trump's support for Putin and Russia.
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HearstMining said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



Of course it's symbolic - symbolic of Trump's support for Putin and Russia.


Sanctions on Russian exports are a delicate thing, that is why they weren't strictly enforced during the Biden administration, and you know there is no love lost there. Seizing a Russian tanker in the high seas would be a very delicate proposition.

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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

You just went on sycasey's "Friends of Putin" list.
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Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's
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BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.
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Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.


My post wasn't a comment on people working in the gig economy, I fully agree with your statement. It was specifically targeted at Trader Joe's employees.
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Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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bearister said:

wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?

"The president said yesterday in a phone call with the Financial Times' Ed Luce: "We've essentially decimated Iran … They have no navy, no anti-aircraft, no air force, everything is gone. The only thing they can do is make a little trouble by putting a mine in the water a nuisance, but the nuisance can cause problems."

Anna Kelly, the White House's principal deputy press secretary, emphasized to us that Operation Epic Fury is the result of "months and months of meticulous planning," with "ample options" provided to the president, who took all of his top officials' views into account as he made the final decision.

Trump could pull out tomorrow. But the Iranians could keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and push oil prices so high that America would have to re-engage.

The Iranians have made it clear in private and in public that even if Trump decides to end the war, they could continue shooting missiles and rockets until they get guarantees that this is the end of the war, not just a temporary ceasefire.

Behind the scenes: Trump has grown accustomed to doing what he wants and then quickly improvising if things go south. But this time, some in his inner circle have what one official called "buyer's remorse" growing fears that attacking Iran was a mistake.

A source close to the administration said some key officials around Trump were reluctant or wanted more time. "He ended up saying, 'I just want to do it,'" the source said. "He grossly overestimated his ability to topple the regime short of sending in ground troops."

The source said Trump was "high on his own supply" after last summer's quick strikes in Iran and January's abduction of Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro: "He saw multiple decisive quick victories with extraordinary military competence."

Reality check: Trump's war of choice certainly looks like a military success so far. Iran's missile and drone launches have greatly decreased, indicating it's running out of weapons or the ability to fire them.

The U.S. and Israeli air forces have overhead supremacy to bomb at will.

Much of the Iranian navy is underwater.

The ayatollah and senior leaders have been killed.

The U.S. military death toll (at least 13) could have been greater for this breadth of action.

What's next: Trump now may have to make a tough decision on a significant military escalation new territory for him as president.

Some officials close to him had hoped he'd be able to show some quick gains and declare victory. Now, it's not apparent how he'd do that convincingly.

As Barak reported, the U.S. doesn't have clear enough lines of communication with the Iranian regime to make a deal that's sure to stick. Trump said on Truth Social on Friday night that Iran "is totally defeated and wants a deal - But not a deal that I would accept!"

The bottom line: To claim victory, the Iranian regime just needs to stay alive."
Axios

From your freind '88 about how the US defenses have been devastated bv Iranin attacks and Israel and our allies are defenseless against the Iranian onslaught. We are losing the war. Essentially everything you said is BS:



BearlySane88
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wifeisafurd said:

bearister said:

wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?

"The president said yesterday in a phone call with the Financial Times' Ed Luce: "We've essentially decimated Iran … They have no navy, no anti-aircraft, no air force, everything is gone. The only thing they can do is make a little trouble by putting a mine in the water a nuisance, but the nuisance can cause problems."

Anna Kelly, the White House's principal deputy press secretary, emphasized to us that Operation Epic Fury is the result of "months and months of meticulous planning," with "ample options" provided to the president, who took all of his top officials' views into account as he made the final decision.

Trump could pull out tomorrow. But the Iranians could keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and push oil prices so high that America would have to re-engage.

The Iranians have made it clear in private and in public that even if Trump decides to end the war, they could continue shooting missiles and rockets until they get guarantees that this is the end of the war, not just a temporary ceasefire.

Behind the scenes: Trump has grown accustomed to doing what he wants and then quickly improvising if things go south. But this time, some in his inner circle have what one official called "buyer's remorse" growing fears that attacking Iran was a mistake.

A source close to the administration said some key officials around Trump were reluctant or wanted more time. "He ended up saying, 'I just want to do it,'" the source said. "He grossly overestimated his ability to topple the regime short of sending in ground troops."

The source said Trump was "high on his own supply" after last summer's quick strikes in Iran and January's abduction of Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro: "He saw multiple decisive quick victories with extraordinary military competence."

Reality check: Trump's war of choice certainly looks like a military success so far. Iran's missile and drone launches have greatly decreased, indicating it's running out of weapons or the ability to fire them.

The U.S. and Israeli air forces have overhead supremacy to bomb at will.

Much of the Iranian navy is underwater.

The ayatollah and senior leaders have been killed.

The U.S. military death toll (at least 13) could have been greater for this breadth of action.

What's next: Trump now may have to make a tough decision on a significant military escalation new territory for him as president.

Some officials close to him had hoped he'd be able to show some quick gains and declare victory. Now, it's not apparent how he'd do that convincingly.

As Barak reported, the U.S. doesn't have clear enough lines of communication with the Iranian regime to make a deal that's sure to stick. Trump said on Truth Social on Friday night that Iran "is totally defeated and wants a deal - But not a deal that I would accept!"

The bottom line: To claim victory, the Iranian regime just needs to stay alive."
Axios

From your freind '88 about how the US defenses have been devastated bv Iranin attacks and Israel and our allies are defenseless against the Iranian onslaught. We are losing the war. Essentially everything you said is BS:






Panicans in full force. We aren't losing the war. Are there hiccups, always in global conflict. We have decimated Iranian leadership and have largely kept Iran as a country whole. Trump could be taking out the entire infrastructure of Iran and he has chosen not to. Is that what it would take for you to consider this a win? Iranian attacks are almost non existent compared to the beginning of the conflict.
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Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

After Trump appeared eager to get other countries onboard to help secure the Strait of Hormuz and demanding their participation by berating them in public, he now says:

"We don't need the help of anyone"

Is it any mystery as to why it's been difficult for the Media to keep up with all of his FLIP FLOPS?

He's such a brilliant negotiator!
Know how to build a coalition, one brick at a time.





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dajo9 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

We could sell it as Trump being a one-off Svengali who used dogma to win two fairly narrow elections. Most of our allies have a political figure like this, too. Some have even gotten elected. We could tell 'em (behind closed doors), hey, you all know Americans have never been the brightest people in the world. Our allies, especially the Europeans, eat that kind of stuff up.

We could tell 'em to not let several years of Trump outweigh decades of support and stability.

Yes, we would need to work to reestablish trust.
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BearlySane88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

bearister said:

wifeisafurd said:



And you wonder why no one really believes what the media or politicians say?


Just wondering what part of the reporting below is disbelieved by knowledgeable, discerning Americans that don't believe what the media says about the Iran War?

"The president said yesterday in a phone call with the Financial Times' Ed Luce: "We've essentially decimated Iran … They have no navy, no anti-aircraft, no air force, everything is gone. The only thing they can do is make a little trouble by putting a mine in the water a nuisance, but the nuisance can cause problems."

Anna Kelly, the White House's principal deputy press secretary, emphasized to us that Operation Epic Fury is the result of "months and months of meticulous planning," with "ample options" provided to the president, who took all of his top officials' views into account as he made the final decision.

Trump could pull out tomorrow. But the Iranians could keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and push oil prices so high that America would have to re-engage.

The Iranians have made it clear in private and in public that even if Trump decides to end the war, they could continue shooting missiles and rockets until they get guarantees that this is the end of the war, not just a temporary ceasefire.

Behind the scenes: Trump has grown accustomed to doing what he wants and then quickly improvising if things go south. But this time, some in his inner circle have what one official called "buyer's remorse" growing fears that attacking Iran was a mistake.

A source close to the administration said some key officials around Trump were reluctant or wanted more time. "He ended up saying, 'I just want to do it,'" the source said. "He grossly overestimated his ability to topple the regime short of sending in ground troops."

The source said Trump was "high on his own supply" after last summer's quick strikes in Iran and January's abduction of Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro: "He saw multiple decisive quick victories with extraordinary military competence."

Reality check: Trump's war of choice certainly looks like a military success so far. Iran's missile and drone launches have greatly decreased, indicating it's running out of weapons or the ability to fire them.

The U.S. and Israeli air forces have overhead supremacy to bomb at will.

Much of the Iranian navy is underwater.

The ayatollah and senior leaders have been killed.

The U.S. military death toll (at least 13) could have been greater for this breadth of action.

What's next: Trump now may have to make a tough decision on a significant military escalation new territory for him as president.

Some officials close to him had hoped he'd be able to show some quick gains and declare victory. Now, it's not apparent how he'd do that convincingly.

As Barak reported, the U.S. doesn't have clear enough lines of communication with the Iranian regime to make a deal that's sure to stick. Trump said on Truth Social on Friday night that Iran "is totally defeated and wants a deal - But not a deal that I would accept!"

The bottom line: To claim victory, the Iranian regime just needs to stay alive."
Axios

From your freind '88 about how the US defenses have been devastated bv Iranin attacks and Israel and our allies are defenseless against the Iranian onslaught. We are losing the war. Essentially everything you said is BS:






Panicans in full force. We aren't losing the war. Are there hiccups, always in global conflict. We have decimated Iranian leadership and have largely kept Iran as a country whole. Trump could be taking out the entire infrastructure of Iran and he has chosen not to. Is that what it would take for you to consider this a win?


If Trump takes out Iran's infrastructure, Iran will take out the GCC's, and knock off 25% of the global oil trade. Oil price would shoot up above $200 for the entire year, the world would be plunged in a deep recession, US included. Not just oil, but LNG, fertilizer, petrochemical, refined products, aluminum and so forth.

Quote:

Iranian attacks are almost non existent compared to the beginning of the conflict.

Iran has prepared for a mutli-year war, they still have over 50,000 missiles and drones spread across a country the size of western Europe in 100+ sites.

Their strategy was to use their smaller missiles early on to soak up the US/Israeli/GCC inventory of interceptors and to use their bigger, more accurate missiles once the air defenses are spent. They have also planned for decapitation by decentralizing their command structure along 50+ cells.

Their last set of conditions for a cease fire were very maximalists, requiring for instance that the US permanently evacuate their GCC bases, complete non-starters, indicating that they are not on the ropes.
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BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.


My post wasn't a comment on people working in the gig economy, I fully agree with your statement. It was specifically targeted at Trader Joe's employees.

Not sure which TJ you shop at, but all the ones I frequent have employees who are friendly, competent, quick to open a new register, and seem happy to work there. Where I live, a lot of the TJ employees are in their 60s, probably working because the have to, but nonetheless focused on doing a good job.
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HearstMining said:

BearlySane88 said:

Cal88 said:

BearlySane88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.



Thanks for the positive feedback.

I don't like posting long videos usually, but I thought this interview was very much on point and very helpful in terms of explaining what is really going on from an unbiased and highly qualified academic source. Also Chris Hedges is a quality independent journalist and interviewer.

It strikes me that nobody seems to be for this war and yet I'm not really hearing any national figures come out strongly against it (haven't really searched, admittedly). Not sure why that would strike me though, given our last 75 years or so.

A little wisdom from the cashier at Trader Joe's this afternoon (amazing that he seemed to know what was on my mind). He said, "Trump started the war to deflect attention from the Epstein files, but pretty soon he's going to have to release the rest of the files to deflect attention from the war."

I quickly replied, "BINGO!".


And that's why he's working as a cashier at Trader Joe's



Underemployment has been a huge problem in today's economy, you find a lot of bright and overqualified people in the gig economy.


My post wasn't a comment on people working in the gig economy, I fully agree with your statement. It was specifically targeted at Trader Joe's employees.

Not sure which TJ you shop at, but all the ones I frequent have employees who are friendly, competent, quick to open a new register, and seem happy to work there. Where I live, a lot of the TJ employees are in their 60s, probably working because the have to, but nonetheless focused on doing a good job.


Could be the second job for a lot of these employees.

That dig by BarelySane was in very poor taste.
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Joe Kent gave a pretty good analysis on the Iran war in 2024:

- The US probably can penetrate the air-defense for a shock and awe campaign
- There will be quick results to celebrate
- But in the long run it will be messy
- Iranians will rally around their leaders, and this will unite them
- "Iran has been an empire for centuries they will not go anywhere"
- it would be "very bloody"
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Big C said:

dajo9 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

We could sell it as Trump being a one-off Svengali who used dogma to win two fairly narrow elections. Most of our allies have a political figure like this, too. Some have even gotten elected. We could tell 'em (behind closed doors), hey, you all know Americans have never been the brightest people in the world. Our allies, especially the Europeans, eat that kind of stuff up.

We could tell 'em to not let several years of Trump outweigh decades of support and stability.

Yes, we would need to work to reestablish trust.


It's the ultimate victory of people like Cal88 and Putin
Censorship has always been a tool of the fascist
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dajo9 said:

Big C said:

dajo9 said:

Big C said:

Cal88 said:

HearstMining said:

Ah, but Trump doesn't miss the opportunity to offer his buddy Putin some help by suspending the sanctions on Russian oil exports for 30 days. Anybody think that's going to have any real impact on US gas prices?

No impact whatsoever, because the Russians were already selling their oil to China, India and others. The only change is that they will be selling it now at a premium rather than a discount. The sanctions on Russian oil have not worked, and the lifting is more or less symbolic.

Not related to that subject, this is the best analysis of the Iran situation and broader geopolitical aspects you will find anywhere, from the incomparable prof. John Mearsheimer (would recommend watching at 1.5x speed, as he is a slow talker) :



I usually don't get around to checking out the links that many of you graciously provide, but I made it a point to watch the above Mearsheimer interview, as I became a fan of his early in the Ukraine war...

Highly recommend. He makes total sense. Warning, not for the faint of heart: Our actions vis-a-vis Iran are highly unlikely to end favorably for us. Our best off-ramp might be to compromise with them and then spin it like a victory.

Bigger picture (from me, though he touches on it), what are we going to be able to do in this world after we have alienated most of our allies? I think our best hope is to get rid of Trump ASAP and then tell the world, hey, this one guy was pretty much solely responsible, but now he's gone and we'd like to get back to normal again.

I have always been pro-state of Israel and I am still for that idea. But boy, Netanyahu and his cronies have surely messed things up.


Why would our allies trust us again any time soon? Trump will be gone but the voters remain.

We could sell it as Trump being a one-off Svengali who used dogma to win two fairly narrow elections. Most of our allies have a political figure like this, too. Some have even gotten elected. We could tell 'em (behind closed doors), hey, you all know Americans have never been the brightest people in the world. Our allies, especially the Europeans, eat that kind of stuff up.

We could tell 'em to not let several years of Trump outweigh decades of support and stability.

Yes, we would need to work to reestablish trust.


It's the ultimate victory of people like Cal88 and Putin


Putin/Russia wins big financially from this war with a huge windfall in oil and gas exports, and US military resources diverted from the Ukraine front.

However anti-war advocates like Joe Kent here or yours truly are against this war of choice.

Do you see how stupid your argument here is?
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