The slow death of MAGA

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In reply to DiabloWags • 8:22a, 4/15/26
DiabloWags said:
SBGold said:
Why does he think those trolling strays that are personal attacks are acceptable?

Choose Kindness


I have no idea.
They are silly and childish and they should know better.

They clearly distract from the ongoing thread topic discussion.
Cal88 has mentioned this as well.


Get off your high horse.
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In reply to SBGold • 8:22a, 4/15/26
SBGold said:
Why does he think those trolling strays that are personal attacks are acceptable?

Choose Kindness


Says the person who posts personal attacks daily
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Podcaster Joe Rogan said Tuesday that many of President Donald Trump's voters feel betrayed by the military operation in Iran because Trump campaigned for years on avoiding wars.

Discussing the conflict, Rogan said it "just doesn't make any sense to me, unless we're acting on someone else's interests, like particularly Israel's interests. It just didn't make any sense to me. Like, if they had supposedly dismantled [Iran's] chances of making a nuclear bomb whether or not that's true or, I mean, it's so hard to know.

"Well, it just seems so insane based on what he ran on," Rogan later added. "I mean, this is why a lot of people feel betrayed, right? He ran on 'no more wars' and 'these stupid senseless wars,' and then we have one that we can't even really clearly define why we did it."

"Well, but he said he's against endless wars," his guest, journalist and professor Michael Shellenberger, replied.
"Listen, man. They're all endless," Rogan said. "Do you ever hear [Donald] Rumsfeld talk about Iraq when it first happened? They were talking about like six weeks. Six weeks."

The quote Rogan appeared to be referencing was former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld speaking to American troops at Aviano Air Base in February 2003, one month before the Iraq War began.

"It is not knowable if force will be used," Rumsfeld said. "But if it is to be used, it is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks, I doubt six months."

Shellenberger noted that Americans were concerned about another "endless war" and about potential terror attacks in retribution for the U.S. military action.

"If they did, I don't think support for the war goes up. It goes down," he suggested.

"For sure," Rogan agreed, noting that some unvetted illegal immigrants in recent years were undoubtedly from the Middle East.

"The whole situation internationally has been so tense already with what's going on in Gaza, with what's going on in Ukraine," he said.

"It's like and to add this to the pile, it's like, I mean, it genuinely feels like there's a real possibility that we might be entering World War III."


During the 2016 campaign, Trump sparred with candidate Jeb Bush over former President George W. Bush's legacy during a primary debate, saying the Iraq war was a mistake.

Trump later doubled down at a town hall event in Bluffton, South Carolina, saying, "If Bush is insulted, I don't care if he's insulted," and he declared the Iraq War was "one of the worst decisions in the history of the country."

During his first term in office, Trump said in a speech that the wars in the Middle East after 9/11 were a "sacrifice of blood and treasure" and that "the American people are weary of war without victory."

During the 2024 campaign, Trump vowed, "I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars." And he described his opponent, former Vice President Kamala Harris, as "the candidate of endless wars."

A White House spokesperson told Fox News Digital that Trump is "courageously protecting" the country from the Iranian regime.


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In reply to BearlySane88 • 8:32a, 4/15/26
BearlySane88 said:
No foreign wars meant not being involved in Ukraine/Russia and similar situations. It never meant what you took it to mean. Protecting US interests has always been on the table.


I disagree with that, but at least this post is on topic, and has no flaming.

Can you please try to do more of that and less of the immature back and forth.
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In reply to DiabloWags • 10:59a, 4/15/26
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:
Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism.


I know, right?
Imagine thinking "no foreign wars" would mean "no foreign wars", and then being surprised by "new foreign wars".

What idiots they were to believe the words that came out of his mouth.


These people were clearly duped.
Just ask Joe Rogan.



Joe Rogan says Trump voters feel 'betrayed' by Iran military action | Fox News


It's good that the Idiot Class is possibly re-evaluating themselves, but…

Who is Joe Rogan that anyone thinks what he says matters one way or the other?
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:10a, 4/15/26
Cal88 said:
BearlySane88 said:
No foreign wars meant not being involved in Ukraine/Russia and similar situations. It never meant what you took it to mean. Protecting US interests has always been on the table.


I disagree with that, but at least this post is on topic, and has no flaming.

Can you please try to do more of that and less of the immature back and forth.


You wanna know what's in America's best interest?
Peace.
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In reply to concordtom • 11:19a, 4/15/26
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:
Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism.


I know, right?
Imagine thinking "no foreign wars" would mean "no foreign wars", and then being surprised by "new foreign wars".

What idiots they were to believe the words that came out of his mouth.


These people were clearly duped.
Just ask Joe Rogan.



Joe Rogan says Trump voters feel 'betrayed' by Iran military action | Fox News


It's good that the Idiot Class is possibly re-evaluating themselves, but…

Who is Joe Rogan that anyone thinks what he says matters one way or the other?

Joe Rogan is one of the world's most popular podcasters and has been the most streamed podcast on Spotify every year since 2020. - - - The video platform Rumble reportedly offered Rogan $100 million to switch his podcast from Spotify.

He has a massive following.
I'm surprised that you've never heard of him.

Joe Rogan - Wikipedia




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In reply to DiabloWags • 11:28a, 4/15/26
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
DiabloWags said:
concordtom said:
tequila4kapp said:
Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism.


I know, right?
Imagine thinking "no foreign wars" would mean "no foreign wars", and then being surprised by "new foreign wars".

What idiots they were to believe the words that came out of his mouth.


These people were clearly duped.
Just ask Joe Rogan.



Joe Rogan says Trump voters feel 'betrayed' by Iran military action | Fox News


It's good that the Idiot Class is possibly re-evaluating themselves, but…

Who is Joe Rogan that anyone thinks what he says matters one way or the other?

Joe Rogan is one of the world's most popular podcasters and has been the most streamed podcast on Spotify every year since 2020. - - - I'm surprised that you've never heard of him.

Joe Rogan - Wikipedia






Oh, I've certainly heard of him.
But just because someone has a microphone doesn't mean he has anything worthwhile to say.
Like, does he have a degree is economics or sociology or polysci or…?

Well, so, I asked!

Quote:


Joe Rogan doesn't have a completed college degree, and that's actually pretty central to understanding his "foundation."

He briefly attended the University of Massachusetts Boston but dropped out before finishing. He's mentioned studying subjects like martial arts and theater rather than pursuing a traditional academic path.

So if it's not formal education, what does give him a voice?

1. Stand-up comedy (his core training)
Rogan came up through stand-up in the late 1980s. Comedy trains you to:
Observe human behavior closely
Communicate clearly and engagingly
Hold an audience's attention
That's arguably his strongest "credential."

2. Broadcasting and media experience
He spent years as:
A sitcom actor (notably on NewsRadio)
The host of Fear Factor
A longtime UFC commentator
That gave him comfort speaking publicly and interviewing people long before podcasting.

3. Deep personal interests (not academic, but intense)
He's gone very deep into:
MMA (he's a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu)
Fitness and nutrition
Psychedelics and consciousness
Hunting, comedy, and culture

He's not an academic expert in most of thesebut he's intensely curious and spends a lot of time talking to people who are.

4. Platform + format (this is the real amplifier)
His podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience, changed the game:
Long-form (23 hour conversations)
Wide range of guests (scientists, comedians, politicians, fringe thinkers)
Minimal filtering or traditional editorial control

That format makes him more of a facilitator of conversations than a traditional authority.



The honest bottom line:
Rogan's "voice" doesn't come from credentialsit comes from a mix of:
Communication skill
Curiosity
Consistency (thousands of long conversations)
And a massive audience

That also means something important:
He's influential, but not necessarily authoritative in the academic sense. His strength is in exploration and discussion, not verified expertise.


Well, there you have it.
Just as I expected.

I could go down to the bar tonight and talk 1 on 1 with a whole bunch of Joe Rogans.
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In reply to concordtom • 12:17p, 4/15/26
concordtom said:

Well, there you have it.
Just as I expected.

I could go down to the bar tonight and talk 1 on 1 with a whole bunch of Joe Rogans.


My point is that his massive following includes MAGA voters.
Same as Tucker Carlson.

These are highly influential talking "heads" that have spread the MAGA gospel.
And now they're done with Trump. And perhaps even the GOP that still supports him.


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In reply to tequila4kapp • 1:07p, 4/15/26
tequila4kapp said:
I suspect MAGA does have problems. The Sean Ryan / Tucker Carlson segment of that crowd has turned wild conspiracist / anti-Semite / anti-Israel nut job. Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism. Those are big cracks in the alliance. Plus, it's never been especially clear this movement has staying power beyond Trump.

It was surprising to see someone like Tucker Carlson turn the way he did as well as others. Lesser know people with online presence like Sean Ryan don't move the needle. As noted by the OP, TPUSA may not have the same following after its founder, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated.

I don't worry about the MAGA movement in the short term as long as the Democratic Party continues to be stubborn about taking unpopular far-left positions that most of the country opposes. The silent majority in this country still leans right.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:45p, 4/15/26
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 1:48p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.


TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:54p, 4/15/26
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.

TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.


The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 2:31p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
tequila4kapp said:
I suspect MAGA does have problems. The Sean Ryan / Tucker Carlson segment of that crowd has turned wild conspiracist / anti-Semite / anti-Israel nut job. Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism. Those are big cracks in the alliance. Plus, it's never been especially clear this movement has staying power beyond Trump.

It was surprising to see someone like Tucker Carlson turn the way he did as well as others. Lesser know people with online presence like Sean Ryan don't move the needle. As noted by the OP, TPUSA may not have the same following after its founder, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated.

I don't worry about the MAGA movement in the short term as long as the Democratic Party continues to be stubborn about taking unpopular far-left positions that most of the country opposes. The silent majority in this country still leans right.
Carlson and Ryan have the 7th and 8th most popular podcasts
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:43p, 4/15/26
Cal88 said:
Mrs Kyle Boller agrees:


It must be tough for people on the far right, waking up every morning not knowing what they're supposed to think about the Jews that day. Of course, this is why they are sent out talking points, but what happens when the people who think up the talking points don't know?!?
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 2:43p, 4/15/26
tequila4kapp said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
tequila4kapp said:
I suspect MAGA does have problems. The Sean Ryan / Tucker Carlson segment of that crowd has turned wild conspiracist / anti-Semite / anti-Israel nut job. Other swaths apparently thought "no foreign wars" meant total isolationism. Those are big cracks in the alliance. Plus, it's never been especially clear this movement has staying power beyond Trump.

It was surprising to see someone like Tucker Carlson turn the way he did as well as others. Lesser know people with online presence like Sean Ryan don't move the needle. As noted by the OP, TPUSA may not have the same following after its founder, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated.

I don't worry about the MAGA movement in the short term as long as the Democratic Party continues to be stubborn about taking unpopular far-left positions that most of the country opposes. The silent majority in this country still leans right.

Carlson and Ryan have the 7th and 8th most popular podcasts

That may be true and a lot of that has to do with the guests they have on their shows. But people are much more interested to hear Tucker's political opinions more so than Ryan's.
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In reply to Big C • 2:51p, 4/15/26
Big C said:
It must be tough for people on the far right, waking up every morning not knowing what they're supposed to think about the Jews that day. Of course, this is why they are sent out talking points, but what happens when the people who think up the talking points don't know?!?

On the other hand, it must be easy for people on the far left, waking up every morning knowing exactly what they're supposed to think about the Jews that day. Of course, this is why they are sent out talking points, but what happens when the people who think up the talking points don't know?!?
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In reply to DiabloWags • 3:26p, 4/15/26
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Jonestown, 1978

Dear Bro,

Jim Jones, the leader of the Peoples Temple was a self-described Marxist, socialist, and communist.

Jones and the Peoples Temple were deeply embedded in Democratic Party politics, especially in San Francisco during the 1970s.

Key connections included:

  • Appointments and support: San Francisco Mayor George Moscone (Democrat) appointed Jones as chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission.
  • Prominent Democrats: He received praise and support from California Governor Jerry Brown, Lieutenant Governor Mervyn Dymally, Assembly Speaker Willie Brown (who called Jones a "close personal friend" in a letter to Fidel Castro), Supervisor Harvey Milk.
  • Nationally, he met with Vice Presidential candidate Walter Mondale and corresponded with First Lady Rosalynn Carter
These ties gave Jones legitimacy and political influence, bro.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:30p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.

TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:34p, 4/15/26
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.


TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.


Bingo.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 3:35p, 4/15/26
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:

JD Vance is protected by Secret Service while Erika Kirk isn't.

And the mob waiting outside the arena wasn't there for Vance.

TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 3:57p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Big C said:
It must be tough for people on the far right, waking up every morning not knowing what they're supposed to think about the Jews that day. Of course, this is why they are sent out talking points, but what happens when the people who think up the talking points don't know?!?

On the other hand, it must be easy for people on the far left, waking up every morning knowing exactly what they're supposed to think about the Jews that day. Of course, this is why they are sent out talking points, but what happens when the people who think up the talking points don't know?!?

Okay, touche' sort of, but I think most of the "far left" is kinda "from the river to the sea" lately, whereas the "CNN left" is more pro-Israel.

Personally, I am pro-Jewish people, pro-idea-of-Israel, anti-current-Israeli-government... and that's every day I wake up, going back years.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 4:04p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.


And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

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DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.

And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

They hate her more than you if you can imagine that.
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 4:24p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.

And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

They hate her more than you if you can imagine that.



She looks terribly angry.
I can imagine that she is a huge loser and her Family doesn't give a damn about her.

That's what I imagine.



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In reply to DiabloWags • 5:32p, 4/15/26
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.

And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

They hate her more than you if you can imagine that.

She looks terribly angry.
I can imagine that she is a huge loser and her Family doesn't give a damn about her.

That's what I imagine.

I imagine you projecting.

Ask your family for forgiveness before it's too late.
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6:42p, 4/15/26
She should have jaw work
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 6:43p, 4/15/26
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.

And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

They hate her more than you if you can imagine that.

She looks terribly angry.
I can imagine that she is a huge loser and her Family doesn't give a damn about her.

That's what I imagine.

I imagine you projecting.

Ask your family for forgiveness before it's too late.

Hopefully, your family and friends didn't take your advice to buy Bitcoin up at $95,000
If they did, ask your family and friends for forgiveness before it's too late.
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In reply to Aunburdened • 6:46p, 4/15/26
100%

I've never heard her say anything. She can fill a pair of black leather pants though

Choose Kindness
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In reply to DiabloWags • 6:48p, 4/15/26
Those jowls be hanging

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In reply to DiabloWags • 7:08p, 4/15/26
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
DiabloWags said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Aunburdened said:
PAC-10-BEAR said:
Cal88 said:
TPUSA has millions in the bank, and it's an indoor event. The security excuse is clearly a copout.

The same evil that shot her husband wants her to die too.

I doubt anyone cares enough about Erica Kirk to waste a bullet on her. She's got nothing to say.

The reason they can't stand her is because they think she speaks hate, just like her husband whom they killed.

And because she didn't care enough about her husband to make sure that his security team was worth a *****
She's a fraud . . . and they can smell it a mile away.

They hate her more than you if you can imagine that.

She looks terribly angry.
I can imagine that she is a huge loser and her Family doesn't give a damn about her.

That's what I imagine.

I imagine you projecting.

Ask your family for forgiveness before it's too late.

Hopefully, your family and friends didn't take your advice to buy Bitcoin up at $95,000
If they did, ask your family and friends for forgiveness before it's too late.


I agree with SBGold. Stop repeating this "burn." You have done it at least fifty times. Choose kindness.
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In reply to SBGold • 7:37p, 4/15/26
SBGold said:
Those jowls be hanging

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Send my credentials to the House of Detention
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:23a, 4/16/26
Cal88 said:

You know you want to shoot her too?
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In reply to PAC-10-BEAR • 7:22a, 4/16/26
Nah, just banished to Crete or something

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