It's all Kamala's fault

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wifeisafurd
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Not sure why the Dems need to publcily release a study finding blame, or why the timing. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of elites trying to blame each other. But here it is directly from the party that doesn't get it", and you don't need to read all 192 pages including NPR's annotations, it is Kamala's fault as one news cite put it.

https://news.google.com/read/CBMipwFBVV95cUxQb0JZSUNXeS1oQlZIX01vUzh4SEdhTFJmN2pQV3hpdXZ1cnIyY19uR1JDbmpLa3U4amVDV3V1TWNMR0NWQlhSWHU1dGdRek1QSTlwZlZFM3VpRER5X1BvemJhLVFwQVpkT1dmOVN1TFN6Vlp4ZzU5TjBBNHRHbm5QR0hqOE4xdXdoM1h6TjJLdEpPQmgyWThhUE1tWUdIczJZYWlVRDRNSQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Even a dud like me can see this is all BS, and planned for release for some purpose - the Party Chairman said he inadvertently forgot to release the study. Sure... Instead, now would be a good time for the party to focus on developing national candidates or at least some national non-divisive standard bearers who are not ancient, lose the elite speak to regain working- and middle-class voters, and learn how to message to voters since the are not watching or reading the Main Street media any longer. Maybe steal Spencer Pratt's or Mandami's PR persons?


To wit,

"Facing intense internal pressure, DNC releases postelection autopsy that criticizes Kamala Harris

https://apnews.com/article/democratic-national-committee-autopsy-2024-ken-martin-a4f67256b4c56ba076aece23c22728ad?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=share

Democratic National Committee Chair Ken Martin has released a critical study of the party's performance in the 2024 campaign."
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When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?
bearister
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.
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Aunburdened
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

For President? 2008. 18 years ago.
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bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.
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bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Its strange Democrats don't spew hate about Ron Desantis anymore.
Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

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After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.

Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

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After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Aunburdened
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

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After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.
Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.

Do you seriously not know when the Republican primaries are in a calendar? Do I have to educate you on basic facts or are you just going to be a man and concede you are wrong?
Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.

Do you seriously not know when the Republican primaries are in a calendar? Do I have to educate you on basic facts or are you just going to be a man and concede you are wrong?


Are you disputing the fact that Trump run in the 2016 primary as an antiwar populist, then sold out to Adelson after getting the nomination?
Aunburdened
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.

Do you seriously not know when the Republican primaries are in a calendar? Do I have to educate you on basic facts or are you just going to be a man and concede you are wrong?


Are you disputing the fact that Trump run in the 2016 primary as an antiwar populist, then sold out to Adelson after getting the nomination?

OK. I see you're gonna keep moving the goalposts because you can't admit you're wrong.
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.

Do you seriously not know when the Republican primaries are in a calendar? Do I have to educate you on basic facts or are you just going to be a man and concede you are wrong?


Are you disputing the fact that Trump run in the 2016 primary as an antiwar populist, then sold out to Adelson after getting the nomination?

OK. I see you're gonna keep moving the goalposts because you can't admit you're wrong.


Bingo
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wifeisafurd said:

So, instead, now would be a good time for the party to focus on developing national candidates or at least some national non-divisive standard bearers who are not ancient, lose the elite speak to regain working- and middle-class voters, and learn how to message to voters since the are not watching or reading the Main Street media any longer. Maybe steal Spencer Pratt's or Mandami's PR persons?



This should have all been OBVIOUS after Hillary lost when she didn't even bother to visit some of the Rust Belt states (like Wisco) because she just assumed that she would win those states given Obama's dominant election performance for those 54 electoral votes across the Rust Belt.

I guess the Democratic Party is truly as dense as they can get.when it comes to running for President.

Meanwhile, Republicans and independents got duped into thinking they voted for an anti-war, populist President. Instead, they got just another corporate neocon sell-out.


How Trump Captured the Rust BeltAnd What Democrats Can Do
Cal88
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Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.


Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

In the primary season? Your memory is quite faulty.
https://archive.is/20161030141914/http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/donald-trump-sheldon-adelson

Quote:

After months of pleading by Republican super-PACs and G.O.P. operatives, casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is finally offering a portion of his massive, $31 billion fortune to help defeat Democrats this election cycle. But only a tiny fraction of that money is going to Donald Trump, and only in the most roundabout and seemingly passive-aggressive way possible.

Adelson, who spent at least $98 million on Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates in 2012, is giving $40 million to down-ticket Congressional campaigns, The New York Times reports, making the billionaire once again one of the country's most munificent donors. Adelson will also donate $5 million to supporting Trump, but the money will go to a group run by TD Ameritrade founder Joe Ricketts, a Wyoming billionaire who had refused to back Trump during the primary.




Adelson donated $25M to Trump in 2016, and was his largest donor.

AI Overview

Billionaire GOP megadonor Miriam Adelson (widow of casino magnate Sheldon Adelson) has been the single largest financial backer of Donald Trump's campaigns, directly and indirectly contributing upwards of \(\$250\) million, including a publicly disclosed \(\$100\) million donation in the 2024 campaign alone. [1, 2, 3]

Key Contributions and Milestones
  • 2024 General Election: Miriam Adelson became the anchor funder of the pro-Trump super PAC Preserve America. She contributed \(\$100\) million, making her the largest individual donor of the 2024 race.
  • Prior Cycles: During the 2020 election, Sheldon and Miriam Adelson contributed nearly \(\$90\) million to support Trump's reelection effort. Prior to that, Sheldon Adelson was the largest single donor to Trump's 2016 campaign, providing a \(\$25\) million boost to his PACs. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


I literally already proved you were wrong. Take your AI slop elsewhere.


So basically Trump campaigned as a populist before the 2016 primary, criticizing forever wars for Israel, then after getting nominated pulled a 180 and took Sheldon Adelson's $25 million, promising the casino creep to recognize Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights and to move the US embassy to Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson#Donations

This completely confirms my take above, that Trump was a grifter and a hypocrite all along.

Do you seriously not know when the Republican primaries are in a calendar? Do I have to educate you on basic facts or are you just going to be a man and concede you are wrong?


Are you disputing the fact that Trump run in the 2016 primary as an antiwar populist, then sold out to Adelson after getting the nomination?

OK. I see you're gonna keep moving the goalposts because you can't admit you're wrong.


Where we differ is that you believe that Trump took on the GOP establishment in 2016 and won.

According to analysts like Max Blumenthal, Trump had made some side deals with GOP swampers like Adelson back in 2015 that he would fulfil their neocon agenda once elected. That is why Adelson plunked $25M into his presidential campaign in 2016. Blumenthal said that initially Rubio was the Adelsons' guy, but Trump as a fellow traveler Casino huckster ended up getting their support in a quid pro quo arrangement.

This is where I disagree with your take that " Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him".

If Trump did not reassure the Adelsons and other zionist oligarchs, he would have gotten the Massie treatment in the primaries.

One can only conclude from this that Trump was a hypocrite all along, who sold out his antiwar base for money and possibly because he is compromised.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Its strange Democrats don't spew hate about Ron Desantis anymore.

I enjoy spewing hate as much as the next Dem! However, I can't seem to remember the person to whom you are referring.
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Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.


Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.



Well, Trump neutered him pretty well. Poor dude
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.
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SBGold said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.



Well, Trump neutered him pretty well. Poor dude

Massie supported DeSantis over Trump and ended up neutered as well.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

SBGold said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?

Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.



Well, Trump neutered him pretty well. Poor dude

Massie supported DeSantis over Trump and ended up neutered as well.

NO LIES TOLD THERE
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.

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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.



You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.



US Congressman Scott Perry:
"America is funding groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, ISIS-Khorasan, and terrorist training camps. We spent 697 million dollars on these groups last year."
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wifeisafurd said:

So, instead, now would be a good time for the party to focus on developing national candidates or at least some national non-divisive standard bearers who are not ancient, lose the elite speak to regain working- and middle-class voters, and learn how to message to voters since the are not watching or reading the Main Street media any longer. Maybe steal Spencer Pratt's or Mandami's PR persons?



This should have all been OBVIOUS after Hillary lost when she didn't even bother to visit some of the Rust Belt states (like Wisco) because she just assumed that she would win those states given Obama's dominant election performance for those 54 electoral votes across the Rust Belt.

I guess the Democratic Party is truly as dense as they can get.when it comes to running for President.

Meanwhile, Republicans and independents got duped into thinking they voted for an anti-war, populist President. Instead, they got just another corporate neocon sell-out.


How Trump Captured the Rust BeltAnd What Democrats Can Do


I get that above getting fooled by Trump 1, but the second (third?) time around had to be simply an anti-Democrats vote by folks unhappy with Biden and the way the Dems hid Biden's medical issues and then dumped Harris on them. They knew what they getting with Trump at that point, and found that preferable.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.


You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.

I didn't see anything about Trump's financial support of these groups in the videos you posted either.

On the other hand, the last clip shows Perry criticizing USAID programs as betraying US interests, part of a broader Republican scrutiny of humanitarian aid oversight and vetting processes.

You should point this out to our Democratic brethren here because children in Africa are dying or something after Trump turned off the taps.
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Funny how a delayed release post-mortem on why the Dems lost big in 2024 could become a debate about Trump's Jewish donors. Are you guys really inferring they swayed the election when Trump was massively outspent (and out-donated) by Harris?

This may seem pedantic next to the know it all party leaders, but wouldn't tactics by folks running what seem to be underdog campaigns and wining (or at least over-performing) be worth a look (e.g., Mandami, Pratt, Trump, Meny etc.)
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.


You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.

I didn't see anything about Trump's financial support of these groups in the videos you posted either.

On the other hand, the last clip shows Perry criticizing USAID programs as betraying US interests, part of a broader Republican scrutiny of humanitarian aid oversight and vetting processes.

You should point this out to our Democratic brethren here because children in Africa are dying or something after Trump turned off the taps.


US foreign policy is bipartisan. Operation Timber Sycamore run through the administrations of Obama, Trump and Biden, consisting of tens of billions in funding for jihadi groups in Syria including AQ, ISIS and its HTS spinoff headed by Al Jolani, culminating in the overthrow of Assad and our ex-ISIS moderate headchopper Jolani who was very warmly received by Trump being installed in Syria.

A lot of these USAID programs in Asia and Africa that were cut have been transferred to other departments, and some budgets have expanded, like the operations targeting China.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.


You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.

I didn't see anything about Trump's financial support of these groups in the videos you posted either.

On the other hand, the last clip shows Perry criticizing USAID programs as betraying US interests, part of a broader Republican scrutiny of humanitarian aid oversight and vetting processes.

You should point this out to our Democratic brethren here because children in Africa are dying or something after Trump turned off the taps.


US foreign policy is bipartisan. Operation Timber Sycamore run through the administrations of Obama, Trump and Biden, consisting of tens of billions in funding for jihadi groups in Syria including AQ, ISIS and its HTS spinoff headed by Al Jolani, culminating in the overthrow of Assad and our ex-ISIS moderate headchopper Jolani who was very warmly received by Trump being installed in Syria.

A lot of these USAID programs in Asia and Africa that were cut have been transferred to other departments, and some budgets have expanded, like the operations targeting China.

All roads lead back to Barack Hussein Obama. Check your timelines. Your attempts to tie this to the Trump administration are silly.
Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.


You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.

I didn't see anything about Trump's financial support of these groups in the videos you posted either.

On the other hand, the last clip shows Perry criticizing USAID programs as betraying US interests, part of a broader Republican scrutiny of humanitarian aid oversight and vetting processes.

You should point this out to our Democratic brethren here because children in Africa are dying or something after Trump turned off the taps.


US foreign policy is bipartisan. Operation Timber Sycamore run through the administrations of Obama, Trump and Biden, consisting of tens of billions in funding for jihadi groups in Syria including AQ, ISIS and its HTS spinoff headed by Al Jolani, culminating in the overthrow of Assad and our ex-ISIS moderate headchopper Jolani who was very warmly received by Trump being installed in Syria.

A lot of these USAID programs in Asia and Africa that were cut have been transferred to other departments, and some budgets have expanded, like the operations targeting China.

All roads lead back to Barack Hussein Obama. Check your timelines. Your attempts to tie this to the Trump administration are silly.

Posts like these are a useful reminder that this is a college football fan site.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

Cal88 said:

Aunburdened said:

bearister said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

When was the last time Democrats had a legitimate primary election?


Thank God Trump makes sure Republicans have them.

Trump won a legitimate primary in 2016 with the whole party aligned against him, which is more than any Democrat can say in your lifetime.

Trump had the backing of some of the biggest Republican donors in 2016, including the biggest one, Sheldon Adelson. His anti-establishment branding was just as fake as Obama's.

Hillary Clinton was the real anti-establishment candidate. lol.

Hillary loves Trump's war of choice on Iran, she would have done it for a lot less than the $200 million that Trump got from Adelson.

Obama & Hillary Clinton's State Dept funneled $8 BILLION straight to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same terrorists who hit Benghazi and murdered Americans.


And Trump kept the finding of the "moderate headchoppers" in 2016, notably in Syria, funding and arming AQ/ISIS, same as Obama before him.



There's no evidence that the Trump admin funded Al Queda or ISIS. Trump eliminated the ISIS caliphate in Syria, he didn't fund it. Some U.S.-supplied arms to Syrian rebels (mostly pre-Trump) ended up with ISIS or other groups but they weren't funded by his administration.


You're not going to find out about this through "Gunther Eagleman", "Amuse" or Laura Loomer.

I didn't see anything about Trump's financial support of these groups in the videos you posted either.

On the other hand, the last clip shows Perry criticizing USAID programs as betraying US interests, part of a broader Republican scrutiny of humanitarian aid oversight and vetting processes.

You should point this out to our Democratic brethren here because children in Africa are dying or something after Trump turned off the taps.


US foreign policy is bipartisan. Operation Timber Sycamore run through the administrations of Obama, Trump and Biden, consisting of tens of billions in funding for jihadi groups in Syria including AQ, ISIS and its HTS spinoff headed by Al Jolani, culminating in the overthrow of Assad and our ex-ISIS moderate headchopper Jolani who was very warmly received by Trump being installed in Syria.

A lot of these USAID programs in Asia and Africa that were cut have been transferred to other departments, and some budgets have expanded, like the operations targeting China.

All roads lead back to Barack Hussein Obama. Check your timelines. Your attempts to tie this to the Trump administration are silly.

Posts like these are a useful reminder that this is a college football fan site.

Democrat bots online think the Democrats lost the election because of Gaza.
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MAGA bots believe EVERYTHING that dear leader says. No critical thinking, no questioning, just lapping it up and asking for more.
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