concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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Interesting to hear this story be compared to US modern politics and one very naughty bad guy.

I MUST now see the film. This was a fantastic weaving of philosophy with history and Trump.

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I feel sorry for those of you who cannot experience things if it isn't through the lense of Trump.

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And I feel sorry for those of you who are poorly educated. Or at least unable to apply the education you've attained.

Jesus said, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do,"

SpanishAmerican philosopher George Santayana Said, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I've been connecting the dots here for years. I, and many others here, have explained the phenomena in psychological detail, from both who the charlatan leader and his leadership posse are to what the motivations and blindnesses of the masses are.

It has been foreseen, and we merely await the coming outcome. Some of these predictions have a few dates on them. You know the ones. November. November. January. Others are baked into the economy and inflate like a broiling cauldron with the on tight. Happy Days Are Here Again? Oh really?

You'll call me a madman.
That's fine.
I'll sit next to man esteemed madmen.

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Trump's a minor problem. Go see the Odyssey

The Odyssey movie is commenting on the current state of the world for sure, but I don't know that I'd say it's specifically "about Trump." I haven't heard Ezra Klein's full argument yet.

sycasey said:

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The Odyssey movie is commenting on the current state of the world for sure, but I don't know that I'd say it's specifically "about Trump." I haven't heard Ezra Klein's full argument yet.

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I'll have to listen again,, sure, but when I saw that Hollywood was releasing some grand retelling it made me think of lame blockbuster Marvel tales of dragons and superheroes.

Never did I think it would be an allegory to today's world - a mirror, perhaps, for us to see ourselves with.

Those are the types of films I like. The ones that make me think. And learn.

I saw parallels between Zeus' law and what many flavors of Christianity tell us Jesus says about how to treat people and the world we should create. I won't say anything more ... no spoilers.

Are there going to be any spoilers for those who have read the book, which I presume 99% of Cal grads have?

It is pretty normal for movies to reflect the current zeitgeist, except for some films that manage to be more visionary.

I'd better go dash out to see today's matinee before spoilers are revealed.

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Are there going to be any spoilers for those who have read the book, which I presume 99% of Cal grads have?

It is pretty normal for movies to reflect the current zeitgeist, except for some films that manage to be more visionary.

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I doubt 99% have read the book. I haven't.

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Cal88 said:

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Are there going to be any spoilers for those who have read the book, which I presume 99% of Cal grads have?

It is pretty normal for movies to reflect the current zeitgeist, except for some films that manage to be more visionary.

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I doubt 99% have read the book. I haven't.

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I have read the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid. Maybe 50/50 for Cal grads on the Odyssey. If they hadn't read it in high school, I doubt too many stem majors would read it.

Cal88 said:

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Are there going to be any spoilers for those who have read the book, which I presume 99% of Cal grads have?

It is pretty normal for movies to reflect the current zeitgeist, except for some films that manage to be more visionary.

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There aren't any spoilers. The hero prevails, bad guys are slaughtered. Nolan spares us the follow up where Odysseus orders Telemachus to kill the unfaithful slave girls for consorting with the suitors and he has them clean up the carnage then herds them into a courtyard where they are hanged. Too bad, would've been a nice visual

This film isn't visionary- it's kind of like Oppenheimer, a good man wracked by guilt but the moral order in the ancient world was much more complex than this simple take.

Perhaps spoiler was the wrong word. Nolan fiddles with the story some. As but one example, the ending is not true to the book. I was thinking of those things. Sheesh, tough crowd.

How generous of you.




When people tell us who they are, believe them.

This guy from Remember the Titans



Saving Private Ryan




and Sons of Anarchy



…is in The Odyssey.