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Anarchistbear
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Dodgers in a team hitting slump but win it. They rose to the occasion like champions in the last two games

Money had nothing to do with it. Who you spend it on did. Ohtani and Yamamoto are cheap.

One of those nut punching sports losses for the city and players of Toronto. They just couldn't close the deal in the late innings of games 6 and 7. I still don't understand how that pinch runner gets thrown out at the plate on the grounder to Rojas. In real time it looked like Rojas fiddled too much to get a fast runner with a decent lead

Dave Roberts also pushed the right buttons once again

Baseball is back

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One of those nut punching sports losses for the city and players of Toronto.

And it looks like Bo Bichette will be leaving in free agency so doubtful Toronto will be back any time soon
sycasey
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Anarchistbear said:

Money had nothing to do with it. Who you spend it on did. Ohtani and Yamamoto are cheap.

For this year, because they allowed the Dodgers to defer their salary. They will still be paying that.
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oski003 said:

GMP said:

Not the outcome I was hoping for but a great game. Wild, really.

Looking forward, I mean this as a compliment, sorta: this was probably the worst Dodger team of the last 10 years and they still won it all, which is a credit to them and obviously as with all championships came with a lot of luck. It was basically a two man team.

But this feels like a death rattle win. The team is old and owes a lot of money to a lot of old guys. The farm system seems to have stopped producing contributors. Obviously, they have the money and the will to spend that money to build it back up. But at some point they become the 2000s Yankees… an old and expensive roster that mortgaged its future and those payments are coming due. Ohtani is an incredible player. Yamamoto proved he is, too. But after that it looks a little creaky. It will be interesting to see how next season goes.


Lol. The Dodgers farm system is one of the best in baseball. They trade good prospects for star players. Will Smith, whom you discounted a few years ago, just hit the game winning World Series home run. The giants, who absolutely suck, would love to be in their situation next year. There is no mortgage due. They make cash hand over fist.

https://www.mlb.com/news/farm-system-rankings-2025-midseason




You're the one who assured me that Gavin Lux was a superstar, right?

Let's see. From last night's lineup, who is a homegrown player.

Ohtani: no
Smith: yes
Freeman: no
Betts: no
Teoscar: no
Muncy: no
Kik: yes
Pags: yes
Edman: no
Rojas: no
Dean: no

Then the pitchers they used the last two nights:

Ohtani: no
Glasnow: no
Sasaki: no
Wrobleski: yes
Yamamoto: no
Snell: no
Sheehan: yes


On the hitting side, two starters (Kik and Smith, both of whom are over 30) and two young guys, one of whom (Pags) took a huge step back this year but still could end up a player and the other (Dean) who is a career minor leaguer and was used strictly as a defensive replacement. Then one pitcher (Wrobleski) with a career ERA of almost 5 and another in Sheehan who looks like he could be pretty good, although he had a bad postseason.

So where is the farm system's talent? Why is it not producing at the big league level anymore? It used to.
The lineup used to be scary. Now there are 3 guys who scare you, all of whom are over 30, none of whom came up in the Dodger system, and then a bunch of guys who can run into one once in a while (including Smith, yes, who is not bad, but what you are referring to I believe I said was not the next Posey, and he clearly Is not).

I'm also not seeing a lot of guys in their lineup who were traded for using their farm system. They traded for Glasnow. The rest were free agents, off the top of my head.

Farm system rankings are nice. They are an easy thing for lazy fans to point to in order to feel warm and fuzzy. But of the two I know which farm system has produced big league talent the last 3 years and it's not the Dodgers.

Another wrinkle is all the deferred money. Many others say the dodgers are ruining baseball by spending so much money. I don't agree. They should spend and other teams should, too. But I do think the deferred money scheme should be stopped. Regardless, they do it a TON which is literally mortgaging their future. When all that money comes due for retired players or players they have shipped out at the end of their careers, are they still going to spend like they are now? Idk. Maybe. But I doubt it. We'll see, which is why I think it will be interesting. If they three peat, feel free to say you told me so. Until then, enjoy the win.




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GMP said:

oski003 said:

GMP said:

Not the outcome I was hoping for but a great game. Wild, really.

Looking forward, I mean this as a compliment, sorta: this was probably the worst Dodger team of the last 10 years and they still won it all, which is a credit to them and obviously as with all championships came with a lot of luck. It was basically a two man team.

But this feels like a death rattle win. The team is old and owes a lot of money to a lot of old guys. The farm system seems to have stopped producing contributors. Obviously, they have the money and the will to spend that money to build it back up. But at some point they become the 2000s Yankees… an old and expensive roster that mortgaged its future and those payments are coming due. Ohtani is an incredible player. Yamamoto proved he is, too. But after that it looks a little creaky. It will be interesting to see how next season goes.


Lol. The Dodgers farm system is one of the best in baseball. They trade good prospects for star players. Will Smith, whom you discounted a few years ago, just hit the game winning World Series home run. The giants, who absolutely suck, would love to be in their situation next year. There is no mortgage due. They make cash hand over fist.

https://www.mlb.com/news/farm-system-rankings-2025-midseason




You're the one who assured me that Gavin Lux was a superstar, right?

Let's see. From last night's lineup, who is a homegrown player.

Ohtani: no
Smith: yes
Freeman: no
Betts: no
Teoscar: no
Muncy: no
Kik: yes
Pags: yes
Edman: no
Rojas: no
Dean: no

Then the pitchers they used the last two nights:

Ohtani: no
Glasnow: no
Sasaki: no
Wrobleski: yes
Yamamoto: no
Snell: no
Sheehan: yes


On the hitting side, two starters (Kik and Smith, both of whom are over 30) and two young guys, one of whom (Pags) took a huge step back this year but still could end up a player and the other (Dean) who is a career minor leaguer and was used strictly as a defensive replacement. Then one pitcher (Wrobleski) with a career ERA of almost 5 and another in Sheehan who looks like he could be pretty good, although he had a bad postseason.

So where is the farm system's talent? Why is it not producing at the big league level anymore? It used to.
The lineup used to be scary. Now there are 3 guys who scare you, all of whom are over 30, none of whom came up in the Dodger system, and then a bunch of guys who can run into one once in a while (including Smith, yes, who is not bad, but what you are referring to I believe I said was not the next Posey, and he clearly Is not).

I'm also not seeing a lot of guys in their lineup who were traded for using their farm system. They traded for Glasnow. The rest were free agents, off the top of my head.

Farm system rankings are nice. They are an easy thing for lazy fans to point to in order to feel warm and fuzzy. But of the two I know which farm system has produced big league talent the last 3 years and it's not the Dodgers.

Another wrinkle is all the deferred money. Many others say the dodgers are ruining baseball by spending so much money. I don't agree. They should spend and other teams should, too. But I do think the deferred money scheme should be stopped. Regardless, they do it a TON which is literally mortgaging their future. When all that money comes due for retired players or players they have shipped out at the end of their careers, are they still going to spend like they are now? Idk. Maybe. But I doubt it. We'll see, which is why I think it will be interesting. If they three peat, feel free to say you told me so. Until then, enjoy the win.




They are in World Series win mode, something the giants haven't been in for around 20 years. They have been trading prospects for the key pieces that are winning the world series. Then, I said the dodgers have young homegrown talent with MVP potential and named lux, urias, gonsolin, and Will Smith as examples. You said 3 or 4 years ago that the dodgers were old and had maybe two or three years left of success. The Dodgers are set up to win more, which is something the giants won't be doing for a long time.

Also, Will Smith was either the best or near the best in the league hitting with runners in scoring position. I believe he batted around .440, and he is a catcher.
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What I said was correct. Their lineup was old and not set up to win in the future. Then they got Betts (I forget if he was already there when I said this, I believe he was not), Freeman, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Sasaki… I can go on. The dodgers obviously agreed with me and flipped the roster almost completely.

The difference this time is the deferred money and what appears to be a dried up farm system, despite the rankings.

Or maybe they do it again, despite the significant deferred money. I don't know. That's why I said it would be interesting.
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sycasey said:

tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

I love it when the richest team with the most loaded roster wins it all again.

Toronto has the 5th highest payroll. This wasn't Rockefeller vs Snap Recipients.

The Dodgers are kind of lapping the field on team wealth right now.

I believe it's true that the Yankees have higher revenues.
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concordtom said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

I love it when the richest team with the most loaded roster wins it all again.


That's pretty much where college football is headed, unfortunately.


Already there



We're not quite there yet but are getting there, the average HC salary and player payroll will double pretty soon with the injection of private equity capital.
oski003
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concordtom said:

sycasey said:

Cal88 said:

sycasey said:

I love it when the richest team with the most loaded roster wins it all again.


That's pretty much where college football is headed, unfortunately.

Basically yeah.


But hey, let's donate and play that game, right?



People are upset about Wilcox's contract, or whatever else, but how many of them give and in doing so support such a system?


Wilcox, at around 5.5 million, is paid below average for a p4 coach and produces mediocre results. Dave Roberts is the highest paid coach in the MLB and wins championships.
oski003
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GMP said:

What I said was correct. Their lineup was old and not set up to win in the future. Then they got Betts (I forget if he was already there when I said this, I believe he was not), Freeman, Ohtani, Yamamoto, Sasaki… I can go on. The dodgers obviously agreed with me and flipped the roster almost completely.

The difference this time is the deferred money and what appears to be a dried up farm system, despite the rankings.

Or maybe they do it again, despite the significant deferred money. I don't know. That's why I said it would be interesting.


These players weren't always gotten immediately (2020-2025 seasons) and, yes, championship teams make key acquisitions. When you don't have BALCO to roid your players, you do what you can to get the best ones. The Dodgers ELITE farm system has been instrumental in this process. I am looking forward to you once again saying the same things after the next Dodger's Championship.

Betts was added in 2020, around the time you said the Dodgers were old. They just won, AGAIN, in 2025.

https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/46817106/dodgers-open-2026-world-series-favorites-yankees-second

With their second straight World Series title and their third in six seasons, the Los Angeles Dodgers have built a dynasty that seemingly can't be stopped ... and according to bookmakers, it may not.

The Dodgers opened as the consensus favorite to win another World Series in 2026, showing +375 odds at ESPN BET. Next come the New York Yankees at a relatively distant +700 before another somewhat significant drop to the Houston Astros and Philadelphia Phillies at +1200.
tequila4kapp
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Die hard Dodger fan here.

You are right about the lineup. Mookie, Freddie, Muncy and Tesocar Hernandez had down years for them or at least lesser years than 2024. They are ages 32-36, I believe. I think they are showing signs of getting old. Conforto in LF was an abject failure. That's 5 of 9 hitters. A 6th position player (Edmonds) battled injured all season and had an off year. Only 3 hitters were very good / on an upward trajectory - Ohtani, Smith and Pages.

It will be very interesting to see where they go from here. They clearly favor veterans who know how to play the game (see Rojas, K. Hernandez) but they are likely approaching a timeframe where they need to turn some roster spots over. They have a ton of pitchers just like Sheehan that are returning from injury (as Sheehan did). Do they trade some of them? They brought up the former #1(?) prospect this year but he is behind Smith. They have a stud IF that filled in for injured Muncy…do they turn 3B over to him? Tucker makes a ton of sense - he's basically a younger Freeman that plays OF, a position of need.

The farm system has been rated top 10 for like 10 or 15 straight years. They have some elite OF prospects at the AA and A levels, but those guys are years away. And they have the 5-7 "Sheehan" pitchers at AAA, guys that frankly would be starting Ps for most other teams. So there's talent available, just a question of how they use it.
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They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.


The deferred money means they can still spend, win championships and bank huge dollars from the US and Japan. As a fan I don't care what my team spends. Why should I- it's not my money
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Best World Series ever. Best Game 7 ever.

Canadians and Japanese fans were entertained.

Lukewarm L.A. fans were entertained.

Even Giants fans were entertained.

Baseball is back.

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sycasey
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Anarchistbear said:

They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.

This is exactly what they were trying to do. Didn't take the regular season very seriously; with 6 NL playoff spots they knew they'd get one, and it was all about having their big guns healthy for the playoffs.
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sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.

This is exactly what they were trying to do. Didn't take the regular season very seriously; with 6 NL playoff spots they knew they'd get one, and it was all about having their big guns healthy for the playoffs.

This is one of the most amazing parts of them winning. They didn't have their entire lineup together until September. They didn't play good solid complete baseball until game 6 of the WS. Then they put back to back complete games when their backs were against the wall. It's insane that they were able to flip the switch like that.
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eastcoastcal said:

im sick right now

concordtom
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Anarchistbear said:

Dodgers in a team hitting slump but win it. They rose to the occasion like champions in the last two games

Money had nothing to do with it. Who you spend it on did. Ohtani and Yamamoto are cheap.

One of those nut punching sports losses for the city and players of Toronto. They just couldn't close the deal in the late innings of games 6 and 7. I still don't understand how that pinch runner gets thrown out at the plate on the grounder to Rojas. In real time it looked like Rojas fiddled too much to get a fast runner with a decent lead

Dave Roberts also pushed the right buttons once again

Baseball is back




Actually, the season is over.
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bearister said:

The Dodgers' luck is formidable.



The Curse of the Lodged Ball?


Outside of balls getting stuck in the outfield ivy at Wrigley, I've never seen anything like this happen before.
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bencgilmore said:

Update?

Cal88
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Anarchistbear said:

They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.


The deferred money means they can still spend, win championships and bank huge dollars from the US and Japan. As a fan I don't care what my team spends. Why should I- it's not my money


You might have cared if you were an As fan, or a fan of any franchise that is not as financially well positioned as the 800lb gorillas.

As I said, the same financial dynamics are unfurling in college football, and will undo it.
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

I tuned in during the 8th inning. I'm glad I did because it's been an epic 9th inning. On to extra innings!


Amazing 9th!

You missed some good baseball before the 8th.


Yup.
Watched the whole game.
Riveting!

I stopped watching baseball about 10 years ago. It was so slow and plodding. Watching the batter step out and adjust his batting gloves for 30-40 seconds after nearly every pitch was boring. So, I found other things to do. This post season I dipped my toes back in the water, partly because with Seattle having a good season, I at least had a team I was mildly interested in watching. I'm still more of a Giants and A's fan, though the future Las Vegas A's are losing me, much as the Los Angeles Raiders did 40+ years ago. I did see most of Seattle's 18 inning game (against Toronto?). I liked most of baseball's changes, especially the pitch clock. The game MOVES along now. I watched parts of a couple of World Series games. I wanted Toronto to win, but I wasn't very emotionally invested. The games I watched were fun and exciting. I'll watch more baseball in the future, but random regular season games aren't likely to get me to watch.
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The pitch clock has really helped. If you watch games from 50 years ago they moved quickly. At some point everybody slowed way down and the pitch clock fixes that.
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Cal88 said:

Anarchistbear said:

They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.


The deferred money means they can still spend, win championships and bank huge dollars from the US and Japan. As a fan I don't care what my team spends. Why should I- it's not my money


You might have cared if you were an As fan, or a fan of any franchise that is not as financially well positioned as the 800lb gorillas.

As I said, the same financial dynamics are unfurling in college football, and will undo it.


College football is worse than the pros who better understand geography, rivals, competition and free agency
sycasey
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dajo9 said:

The pitch clock has really helped. If you watch games from 50 years ago they moved quickly. At some point everybody slowed way down and the pitch clock fixes that.

Yes I have to admit that this was a good change by Manfred, to no obvious negative consequence. Baseball is still played the same way, just faster.
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The 3-2 18 inning World Series game between LA/Boston in 2018 (before the rules change) took almost an hour longer this year's 6-5 18 inning game.
sycasey
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tequila4kapp said:

sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

They won 93 games. They could've been had but when you trot out healthy Ohtani, Snell, Yamamoto and Glasnow in the post season it's a huge advantage.

This is exactly what they were trying to do. Didn't take the regular season very seriously; with 6 NL playoff spots they knew they'd get one, and it was all about having their big guns healthy for the playoffs.

This is one of the most amazing parts of them winning. They didn't have their entire lineup together until September. They didn't play good solid complete baseball until game 6 of the WS. Then they put back to back complete games when their backs were against the wall. It's insane that they were able to flip the switch like that.

I don't find it insane at all. It was clearly the plan. They are like an NBA team now.
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Wow, congrats Dodgers!!



calumnus
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Was wondering where this thread went.

Dodgers!
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tequila4kapp said:

The 3-2 18 inning World Series game between LA/Boston in 2018 (before the rules change) took almost an hour longer this year's 6-5 18 inning game.


Why did I never see the pitch clock on the FOX broadcast?
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concordtom
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Great stat.
But NBA had two of the smallest market teams, and I wonder if those numbers include Canadian viewership.
Anarchistbear
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Japan would be the bigger market
concordtom
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Good point!
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2025/10/31/breaking-down-the-tv-viewership-for-the-2025-world-series/

Addresses ratings including internationally.

Fox made a boatload of money!
Getting the 7th game was worth everything!!
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