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Per the above, I'm done with KH. Hardly knew ya.

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Seriously? How does any of the above matter at all?

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1. I've written here before about the lifelong addiction problems of my brother. I am very much opposed to the drug culture that exists in the US. When she joked that there is no way that she's against marijuana, I don't like that. Drugs took my brother away from me and life would have been so very different without that having been the case. It shaped so much pain and struggle in my family for decades. I think one needs to speak more intelligently about the drug culture than that quote. Of course, I'll listen to see what more she has to say, but that's a negative mark for now.

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I see, you have a personal objection to drug legalization of any stripe. I don't agree, but at least that's about an actual stance on an issue. I originally thought you were dropping Kamala Harris because of her dad being mad about her statement.

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Isn't concordtom basically a NeverTrump Republican? I'm not looking to him for advice on the Democratic nominee for President.

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Sure, but as far as I can tell he's not just trying to troll us. I can at least learn something coherent about his political stance.

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Isn't concordtom basically a NeverTrump Republican? I'm not looking to him for advice on the Democratic nominee for President.

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Sure, but as far as I can tell he's not just trying to troll us. I can at least learn something coherent about his political stance.

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Sure, I'm not saying he's a troll. I'm saying he's not a Democrat.

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Isn't concordtom basically a NeverTrump Republican? I'm not looking to him for advice on the Democratic nominee for President.

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Sure, but as far as I can tell he's not just trying to troll us. I can at least learn something coherent about his political stance.

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Sure, I'm not saying he's a troll. I'm saying he's not a Democrat.

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True, though relevance depends on the state. In CA you can vote in the Democratic primary if you're not registered to a party.

Allow me to clear things up for you.
I was raised in a Republican household, two actually, and so identified as such as a young adult.
My wife is from New England and her father served in office as a democrat. I learned to be comfortable with democrats, and learned to appreciate their policy stances on things. When I asked my father in law what he felt the meaning of life was, he said "I think we all have a responsibility to help serve those who are less fortunate than us." I respected that, as I had never really heard people talk that way. My father and step-mother instead spoke about how Atlas Shrugged changed everything for them! They are business and wealth accumulators.

As I grew into adulthood, I began to see my father and stepmother as self centered people just out for themselves. I began to respect the Democratic vantage point more.

At work, folks would ask me my party affiliation. I wasn't exactly sure. I said I was a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. I didn't like parts of each party.

Since then, the GOP has shown itself to be NOT fiscally conservative. The last balanced budget came with Clinton as president but a republican congress. Bush blew up the budget and trump continues doing so, if only to keep a stimulated economy going on his watch. I give Obama a pass for the huge deficits during the first part of his presidency. I believed the 1930's were imminent, so it was arguably warranted to stave off a run on banks.

At this point in time, i can think of no single issue which makes me want to stand with the republican crowd. Perhaps a conservative drug policy. But I don't pretend to have all the answers there.

After trump, i registered from independent to republican so I could primary out any local or national republican who supports trump. But now I understand California is an open primary state.

Death to trump! Can I say that?
How about if I simply mean "political death"?
There, fixed it. "Political Death to Trump!"

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Per the above, I'm done with KH. Hardly knew ya.

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Seriously? How does any of the above matter at all?

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1. I've written here before about the lifelong addiction problems of my brother. I am very much opposed to the drug culture that exists in the US. When she joked that there is no way that she's against marijuana, I don't like that. Drugs took my brother away from me and life would have been so very different without that having been the case. It shaped so much pain and struggle in my family for decades. I think one needs to speak more intelligently about the drug culture than that quote. Of course, I'll listen to see what more she has to say, but that's a negative mark for now.

2. I do not respect that at age 29 she's going off with 60 year old Willie Brown. My step mom was 21 years younger than my dear step father, but they had known each other for 6 years before his wife died of cancer, and they formed a new life together at ages 57 and 36, married for 35 years and with child. A 29 year old who sleeps with a 60 year old, then receives appointments by him?.... seems like just using each other. Also, not a good look.

3. Her flippant comment about "let's just get past all of that" when discussing medical insurance for all.... I'd be more convinced if you showed me numbers about your proposal. Nobody has those numbers, they just talk about it in tomes. It's a huge industry, does anyone have a true handle on it? I don't think so. Being blas with your policy assertions without specific financial projections is irresponsible. How are the "progressives" going to pay for all they want to do: medical, climate, college, deficit, jobs, infrastructure, environmental regulations (green new deal type stuff), taxes, wealth inequality - all while maintaining a decent economy? Nobody has the answers, I know, and so I'm not expecting miracles here. But if you cannot speak about it with some realism, then I'm questioning you unfavorably. Klobuchar (for instance) expressed that sense of realism, and yet she did unequivocally say that day1 we rejoin the climate accords, so she's not just paying lip service. Sounds more grounded.

4. It's a crowded field, so I'm moving on. Sometimes you only get one chance to make a good first impression. Maybe she'll survive to later rounds and I'll get a chance to learn more about her.

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Points, 2 - 4 seem reasonable enough to me, though I'm not impassioned enough about to have it be a major deciding factor. Regarding Point 1, and this is going off on a tangent a bit, but the DARE program, the scare tactics and the 'just say no' campaign in the war against drugs were a colossal failure of policy. I think as a society we need acknowledge people use some recreational drugs, and not banish or ostracize those that have in their past. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a President high on pot, but if they did it in their 20's, I don't think it should be an automatic dis qualifier.

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Fair enough! I know people are going to use drugs. But it does NOT lift the nation upward. So, just being passive to the issue is not okay with me. I don't know what the right policy is, certainly locking people away doesn't fix the issue, but just being like "yo, my family is from Jamaica..." that didn't inspire me. It's a huge propblem in my opinion!!! I want leaders who agree with me that it's a big problem.

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Isn't concordtom basically a NeverTrump Republican? I'm not looking to him for advice on the Democratic nominee for President.

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Gosh, do you think it's okay that I vote in the democratic primary now?

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Per the above, I'm done with KH. Hardly knew ya.

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Seriously? How does any of the above matter at all?

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People pick presidents for dumb reasons

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Tell me, what is dumb about the reasons I listed?
They may not be incredibly in-depth, but dumb?
Or, better yet, why should I like KH?

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None of the reasons have anything to do with how she'd perform the job.

As for KH herself, I haven't decided about her or really any Democratic candidate. The only one I know a lot about is Sanders, but I have some age concerns about having a president that old. My inclination is that it's time for a female president, but already the knives are being sharpened against all the female candidates because everybody knows that they can't win without the female vote.

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Allow me to clear things up for you.
I was raised in a Republican household, two actually, and so identified as such as a young adult.
My wife is from New England and her father served in office as a democrat. I learned to be comfortable with democrats, and learned to appreciate their policy stances on things. When I asked my father in law what he felt the meaning of life was, he said "I think we all have a responsibility to help serve those who are less fortunate than us." I respected that, as I had never really heard people talk that way. My father and step-mother instead spoke about how Atlas Shrugged changed everything for them! They are business and wealth accumulators.

As I grew into adulthood, I began to see my father and stepmother as self centered people just out for themselves. I began to respect the Democratic vantage point more.

At work, folks would ask me my party affiliation. I wasn't exactly sure. I said I was a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. I didn't like parts of each party.

Since then, the GOP has shown itself to be NOT fiscally conservative. The last balanced budget came with Clinton as president but a republican congress. Bush blew up the budget and trump continues doing so, if only to keep a stimulated economy going on his watch. I give Obama a pass for the huge deficits during the first part of his presidency. I believed the 1930's were imminent, so it was arguably warranted to stave off a run on banks.

At this point in time, i can think of no single issue which makes me want to stand with the republican crowd. Perhaps a conservative drug policy. But I don't pretend to have all the answers there.

After trump, i registered from independent to republican so I could primary out any local or national republican who supports trump. But now I understand California is an open primary state.

Death to trump! Can I say that?
How about if I simply mean "political death"?
There, fixed it. "Political Death to Trump!"

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Nice post. Not all that dissimilar to my story, other than that I don't have any wealth accumulators in my family.

Bernie and Biden both have age issues and with major generational change under way...that's problematic.

I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

That said, someone floated a Bernie/Kamala ticket. It's too soon and I think it's time for a woman as POTUS...but if this is a hand-off type deal like Pelosi, I'm good with that, if it comes to that but who knows.

However if a woman take the nomination, I'm good. I want a progressive but I also want competence. If Harris doesn't make it to a ticket as either POTUS or Veep...she would make an outstanding AG. Her ability to grill is very real, and she is smart.

Otherwise, 1.5 years is a long time. Lots can happen and probably will and there's the giant elephant in the room...Trump's legal issues, if he runs or not, is he indicted, the fall out and damage. I'll definitely the Dem ticket for POTUS.

At many firms, a person has to salt away for a decade or two or three before they get the big promotion.

In politics, not the case.
Kamala Harris as attorney general?
Tell me, what experience does she have to qualify her for that?
How does it compare to someone who has been practicing strictly law for decades?

No wonder our country is messed up. We have a bunch of improperly experienced people in key positions, learning on the job.

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At many firms, a person has to salt away for a decade or two or three before they get the big promotion.

In politics, not the case.
Kamala Harris as attorney general?
Tell me, what experience does she have to qualify her for that?
How does it compare to someone who has been practicing strictly law for decades?

No wonder our country is messed up. We have a bunch of improperly experienced people in key positions, learning on the job.

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1. She was elected to these positions.

2. I'm not sure if becoming Attorney General at 43 is unusually young or not. I suspect it's not that weird. She'd been working in District Attorney positions for 20 years at that point, which seems long enough.

It's a political job. Bobby Kennedy had almost no legal experience when he was named by his brother but he kicked the right asses.

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Kamala Harris as attorney general?
Tell me, what experience does she have to qualify her for that?

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Is 7 years as Attorney General for California insufficient?

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No.
Apparently she her campaign team needs to do a better job of telling us who she is.

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

concordtom said:

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Yogi Bear said:

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Kamala Harris as attorney general?
Tell me, what experience does she have to qualify her for that?

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Is 7 years as Attorney General for California insufficient?

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No.
Apparently she her campaign team needs to do a better job of telling us who she is.

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I mean, this is all a matter of public record. You can Google it.

Of course.
And I'd venture to guess I'm 10x more informed than the average voter.
What's that tell you?

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Of course.
And I'd venture to guess I'm 10x more informed than the average voter.
What's that tell you?

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. . . that you didn't try to look this up?

True.
But now knowing me and knowing that, you should be really inspired with the level of inform and education for the rest of the voting populace.
How we got here.

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True.
But now knowing me and knowing that, you should be really inspired with the level of inform and education for the rest of the voting populace.
How we got here.

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The next election is more than a year away. I'm not gonna blame too many people for not doing close research on every Democratic candidate. The closer we get, the more scrutiny there will be.

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Agree on Bernie and AOC. Smartest thing AOC did was come out firing with the Green New Deal...shows she's thinking, serious and looking to legislate...actually do the job she was elected to. Bring in some solutions instead of just say NO.

The silver lining to Trump is there's now an opportunity for real change. Dotard screwed the GOP brand. There's major generational and demographic shifts occurring and there's a chance for change. In this context, I don't want to waste a vote on a moderate or corporate Democrat who will wimp out on the major issues: climate change, healthcare, education, gun control and a corrupt POTUS, foreign hacking.

Time to kill off the Party of No and the Party of Do Nothing...the GOP.

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True.
But now knowing me and knowing that, you should be really inspired with the level of inform and education for the rest of the voting populace.
How we got here.

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The next election is more than a year away. I'm not gonna blame too many people for not doing close research on every Democratic candidate. The closer we get, the more scrutiny there will be.

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Most voters will know less about our candidates in a year than I know now.
And 40% won't bother to vote at all. I suppose we should be thankful for that. If you are uninformed, just stay home, lest you elect an idiot.

Then again, I suppose that's what the republicans hope for. They want to elect THEIR idiot, and boy do they have one. The king of all idiots of all-time idiots.

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Agree on Bernie and AOC. Smartest thing AOC did was come out firing with the Green New Deal...shows she's thinking, serious and looking to legislate...actually do the job she was elected to. Bring in some solutions instead of just say NO.

The silver lining to Trump is there's now an opportunity for real change. Dotard screwed the GOP brand. There's major generational and demographic shifts occurring and there's a chance for change. In this context, I don't want to waste a vote on a moderate or corporate Democrat who will wimp out on the major issues: climate change, healthcare, education, gun control and a corrupt POTUS, foreign hacking.

Time to kill off the Party of No and the Party of Do Nothing...the GOP.

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Hard to argue with....

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

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Obama talked a good game, but he mostly governed like a Clinton. Not what I was expecting from "Change" and "Hope."

Woulda been better had he been 10-15 years older with commensurate experience.

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Yogi Bear said:

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

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Obama talked a good game, but he mostly governed like a Clinton. Not what I was expecting from "Change" and "Hope."

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Do you think this had anything to do with the frustration of your expectations?

"Here's John Boehner offering his plans for Obama's agenda: "We're going to do everything and I mean everything we can do to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can."
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Politico, 10/28/2010

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

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Obama talked a good game, but he mostly governed like a Clinton. Not what I was expecting from "Change" and "Hope."

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Do you think this had anything to do with the frustration of your expectations?

"Here's John Boehner offering his plans for Obama's agenda: "We're going to do everything and I mean everything we can do to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can."
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Politico, 10/28/2010

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No. It had to do with the fact that he didn't push any sort of national narrative for things he wanted to change. Healthcare got changed while making sure that the grifters and the middlemen all got to keep making money off of the seriously ill, Osama was found and killed, some people were confirmed to the Supreme Court, and other than that, he showed no passion for changing anything about the country. Classy guy, always comported himself well, but in the end, he was mostly just another politician selling a message and not delivering on it.

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

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Obama talked a good game, but he mostly governed like a Clinton. Not what I was expecting from "Change" and "Hope."

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Interesting take. I voted for Hillary in 2008 because Obama seemed like too much of a compromiser. He talked like he was going to try to get both sides together and reach compromise. It was like he was unaware of the previous 15 years of American politics. I knew that Hillary would be a fighter and I knew that she understood what she was up against. In my opinion, people who were surprised by Obama's moderation were listening to the tone and not the substance of his speeches. Obama delivered on his message just fine if you were listening. His message was to seek consensus.

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Interesting take. I voted for Hillary in 2008 because Obama seemed like too much of a compromiser. He talked like he was going to try to get both sides together and reach compromise. It was like he was unaware of the previous 15 years of American politics. I knew that Hillary would be a fighter and I knew that she understood what she was up against. In my opinion, people who were surprised by Obama's moderation were listening to the tone and not the substance of his speeches. Obama delivered on his message just fine if you were listening. His message was to seek consensus.

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I agree with that. (I voted for Obama because I thought he was the most talented politician and would be most likely to win in the general, and I think that was also correct.)

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I like that Bernie hasn't changed who he is, still a socialist after all these years. OTOH, not a diverse base and not connected to the generational change, aka diversity, until recently. But he is who he is, authentic...but I feel a slight disconnect...maybe it's the old cranky guy stuff...but I like his policy.

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Bernie has values, which is why I supported him. Love or hate AOC, she actually has values and policy changes she'd like to make. Some of these other people who are running for the Democratic nomination, I have no idea whether they're fat cat politicians looking out for Number One or whether they actually care about making changes to the country. They're gonna need to make a convincing case by March 2020 and it's gotta be more than "I asked Brett Kavanaugh tough questions."

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Okay, that's the RIGHT way of looking at all this.
I'm so sick of political suits. I want a passionate politician with a true heart.
You know, Kennedy and Obama come to mind.
Jimmy Carter was a good soul, but he made some missteps tone-wise.
Wish he could get a re-do.

Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are similar in that their ego fuels them. No?
Every politician has an ego, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. But those two took it too far.

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Obama talked a good game, but he mostly governed like a Clinton. Not what I was expecting from "Change" and "Hope."

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Interesting take. I voted for Hillary in 2008 because Obama seemed like too much of a compromiser. He talked like he was going to try to get both sides together and reach compromise. It was like he was unaware of the previous 15 years of American politics. I knew that Hillary would be a fighter and I knew that she understood what she was up against. In my opinion, people who were surprised by Obama's moderation were listening to the tone and not the substance of his speeches. Obama delivered on his message just fine if you were listening. His message was to seek consensus.

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He certainly did love a good compromise. It's not what we need in today's politics when one side does little other than say no to everything.

As Ben Rhodes wrote (paraphrasing), "Obama was 20 years too early". GOP most definitely didn't want to compromise with Obama because they rather demonize him and play the race (and birther) cards. It's a real shame they decided not to cooperate with Obama for the sake of the country. In the end however their obstruction will be repaid. Of course have to depose a criminal and treasonous POTUS first but that will be part of the process.