Elizabeth Warren - the fake people's candidate

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

On the highest floor of the tallest building in Boston, Senator Elizabeth Warren was busy collecting big checks from some of the city's politically connected insiders. It was April 2018 and Ms. Warren, up for re-election, was at a breakfast fund-raiser hosted for her by John M. Connors Jr., one of the old-guard power brokers of Massachusetts.

Soon after, Ms. Warren was in Manhattan doing the same. There would be trips to Hollywood and Silicon Valley, Martha's Vineyard and Philadelphia, all with fund-raisers on the agenda. She collected campaign funds at the private home of at least one California megadonor, and was hosted by another in Florida. She held finance events until two weeks before her all-but-assured re-election last November.

Then, early this year, Ms. Warren made a bold bet that would delight the left: She announced she was quitting this big-money circuit in the 2020 presidential primary, vowing not to attend private fund-raisers or dial up rich donors anymore. Admirers and activists praised her stand, but few noted the fact that she had built a financial cushion by pocketing big checks the years before.

The open secret of Ms. Warren's campaign is that her big-money fund-raising through 2018 helped lay the foundation for her anti-big-money run for the presidency. Last winter and spring, she transferred $10.4 million in leftover funds from her 2018 Senate campaign to underwrite her 2020 run, a portion of which was raised from the same donor class she is now running against.

As Ms. Warren has risen in the polls on her populist and anti-corruption message, some donors and, privately, opponents are chafing at her campaign's purity claims of being "100 percent grass-roots funded." Several donors now hosting events for her rivals organized fund-raisers for her last year.

"Can you spell hypocrite?" said former Gov. Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania, who contributed $4,000 to Ms. Warren in 2018 and is now supporting former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Mr. Rendell said he had recruited donors to attend an intimate fund-raising dinner for Ms. Warren last year at Barclay Prime, a Philadelphia steakhouse where the famed cheesesteak goes for $120. (The dish includes Wagyu rib-eye, foie gras, truffled cheese whiz and a half-bottle of champagne.) He said he received a "glowing thank-you letter" from Ms. Warren afterward.

But when Mr. Rendell co-hosted Mr. Biden's first fund-raiser this spring, Ms. Warren's campaign sent brickbats, deriding the affair as "a swanky private fund-raiser for wealthy donors," the likes of which she now shuns.

"She didn't have any trouble taking our money the year before," Mr. Rendell said. "All of a sudden, we were bad guys and power brokers and influence-peddlers. In 2018, we were wonderful."

Supporters of Ms. Warren say her presidential campaign should not be criticized for trying to lessen the influence of big donors now, even if she wooed and benefited from them previously.

"There's a perverse incentive system for public officials," said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which has endorsed Ms. Warren. If candidates continue the big-money status quo, he said, "you don't get called a hypocrite. But if you stick your neck out, take chances, challenge power, and try to change the system step by step, you get criticized for not taking every step possible all at once."

Ms. Warren's surplus Senate cash has undergirded two important elements of her 2020 run. She was able to invest early in a massive political organization, spending 87 cents of every dollar she raised in early 2019 without fear of bankrupting her bid, and she had that financial backstop to lessen the risk of forgoing traditional fund-raisers.

"It gave her some running room," said Mary Anne Marsh, a Democratic strategist based in Massachusetts, though she still called banning fund-raisers a "big risk."

Advisers to Ms. Warren defended her campaign finance decisions and noted that big-money fund-raisers, like the ones with Mr. Connors and Mr. Rendell, accounted for only about one-quarter of the $25.8 million she raised in 2017 and 2018.

"When we made the decision to run the campaign this way, the players in the usual money-for-influence game dismissed it as nave and said it would never work and it would kill the campaign," Ms. Orthman said. "We're pleased that our grass-roots strategy has been so effective that they're now threatened enough to be attacking us for it."

Since Ms. Warren's announcement in February, her disavowal of closed-door events with the donor class has become an inextricable part of the DNA of her candidacy as she promises to bring about structural change to American society.

It is the reason, her campaign advisers say, that she has the time to dedicate to hours ong selfie lines, to expand the map of states she can visit, and to call up small donors at random to thank them for giving, rather than pleading for more $2,800 donations from the well-to-do.

"The best president money can't buy," read campaign T-shirts and tank tops.

That message, paired with a raft of ambitious policy proposals, resonated with enough small contributors to propel Ms. Warren to raise $19.2 million in the second quarter of 2019 (the third most in the field) and to the top tier in the polls.

The only other Democratic candidate to bypass big-money events is her fellow liberal in the race, Senator Bernie Sanders. He has transferred $10.1 million from old accounts to his 2020 campaign, but, unlike Ms. Warren, he had eschewed high-dollar fund-raisers in past races. (Other senators transferred money into their 2020 bids as well.)

There is no way to say exactly how much of the $10.4 million Ms. Warren transferred from 2018 was attributable to large donations. Her campaign said she had 380,000 donors to her re-election who gave an average of $30, a strong grass-roots following. Records show about $6 million of her Senate funds also came from donors who gave $1,000 or more.

In early 2017, Ms. Warren had created the Elizabeth Warren Action Fund, which could raise money above the $5,400 candidate limit. The extra funds went to her political action committee, which she would then redistribute to other party committees and politicians, and the Massachusetts Democratic Party; she closed the joint account in late 2018.

Ms. Warren also traveled the country extensively to fund-raise, according to invitations obtained by The New York Times and people familiar with the events, though she often found a chillier reception in New York because of her anti-Wall Street rhetoric.

In Florida, she was hosted for an event by the billionaires Henry and Marsha Laufer. In New York, Meyer S. Frucher, the vice chairman of Nasdaq, held a reception for her. She was hosted by the "Lost" creator Damon Lindelof and his wife, Heidi, in Southern California. The philanthropist Stephen M. Silberstein had Ms. Warren over to his San Francisco-area home. And as late as the fall of 2018, she visited Silicon Valley, where Karla Jurvetson, a multimillion-dollar Democratic contributor, hosted an event for her.

This year, Ms. Jurvetson also donated money to the Democratic National Committee on Ms. Warren's behalf, as first reported by BuzzFeed, to help her campaign purchase information about voters (she was not solicited directly by Ms. Warren). Ms. Jurvetson declined to comment through a spokesman.

Mr. Silberstein said he had bristled when he first heard Ms. Warren would stop doing events like the dinner he had held for her. "My first reaction was I was insulted," he said in an interview, but then came to see it as a "gutsy move."

"After I sort of got over the fact that she wouldn't be calling me anymore, I saw that she made a big success out of it," he said.

As the 2018 election neared, Ms. Warren's big money was partly bankrolling an apparent 2020 apparatus in waiting. Ms. Warren said in late September last year that she would "take a hard look" at a White House run. Her Senate campaign notably aired zero television ads (as did Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, ahead of her run). Some of the money that Ms. Warren did not stockpile went to strategic giveaways and investments, such as deploying staff in the early nominating states of Iowa and New Hampshire in 2018.

Ms. Warren continued to press for donations into October. Her campaign invited donors to attend a Senate debate watch event, with the added draw that Ms. Warren would visit after she got offstage. Her last fund-raising event, an intimate round table in Cambridge, came on Oct. 27.

Sean Curran, who contributed $5,400 to Ms. Warren's Senate campaign but co-hosted an event for Senator Kamala Harris of California this year, said the move by Ms. Warren to forgo private fund-raisers now was "consistent with her values."

"If any other candidate did this, I'd say they were looking for the cheap political advantage," Mr. Curran said.

The choice to swear off fund-raisers was certainly seen as fraught when she made it. Her finance director and another top fund-raising official quickly resigned. And in late March, she had to dip briefly into those Senate reserves, as her fund-raising briefly did not keep up with her spending. But the decision has proved a central selling point for Ms. Warren, who by the end of June had nearly $20 million in the bank and will stand at center stage with Mr. Biden at Thursday's debate.

"Everyone else was playing catch-up ball," Mr. Grossman said. He is now a supporter of Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Ind.

Mr. Green, the Warren supporter, said her vow to skip fund-raisers had led to small donations.

"When we point out to our grass-roots that Elizabeth Warren needs you more because she's forgoing big-money fund-raising, that definitely is a more compelling pitch that results in more people taking out their credit card," he said.

Ms. Warren has said her ban on fund-raisers only applies to the primary. Should she win the nomination, she would return to the events to compete with Republicans. (Faiz Shakir, campaign manager to Mr. Sanders, said the senator would not hold such fund-raisers if he is the nominee.)

So how much did the Senate money help Ms. Warren get a jump on her presidential rivals?

Here's one way to look at it: As of the end of June, only five candidates besides Ms. Warren, out of two dozen Democratic hopefuls, had even raised more than $10.4 million, the amount of her Senate transfer.

"Certainly it's a lot easier if you have $12 million as a starting point," Andrew Yang, the businessman and first-time candidate, said with a laugh. "If she hadn't, then it might have been a slightly different calculation."

Mr. Yang went on: "But you can't begrudge something that someone has done at an earlier point if they decide to move in a direction that I personally think is very positive."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-democrats.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

SAN FRANCISCO When Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts addressed a few hundred donors last week at a fund-raiser for the Democratic National Committee, she called for "big, structural change" and hurled her familiar populist lightning bolts at the forces of concentrated wealth.

But Ms. Warren did not attend the event just to recite her stump speech. She had another, more tailored message for the Democratic check writers, state party leaders and committee members who were gathered at the elegant Fairmont San Francisco.

"Last year, I was running for re-election, but I didn't hold back," she said, reminding attendees that in the midterms she had helped more than 160 congressional candidates and nearly 20 hopefuls in governors' races. "In fact, I raised or gave more than $11 million helping get Democrats elected up and down the ballot around the country" and "sent contributions to all 50 state parties, the national committees and the redistricting fight."

Her point was easy to grasp: While her liberal agenda may be further left than some in the Democratic establishment would prefer, she is a team player who is seeking to lead the party, not stage a hostile takeover of it.

As Ms. Warren steadily rises in the polls she is working diligently to protect her left flank, lining up with progressives on nearly every issue and trying to defuse potential attacks from supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. "I'm with Bernie," she responds when asked about what is perhaps the most contentious issue of the primary race: "Medicare for all."

Yet publicly, and even more in private, she is signaling to party leaders that, far from wanting to stage a "political revolution" in the fashion of Mr. Sanders, she wants to revive the beleaguered Democratic National Committee and help recapture the Senate while retaining the House in 2020.

In phone calls, text messages and small gatherings before her rallies, as well as in one-on-one meetings over hot tea at her Washington condominium, Ms. Warren is simultaneously courting and assuring Democratic town leaders, statewide officials and the chiefs of the country's largest unions.

The outreach is not just an effort to avoid the confrontational approach Mr. Sanders took in 2016, when he inveighed against party insiders and the committee itself, which he correctly believed was favoring Hillary Clinton. Ms. Warren is also trying to allay concerns among Democrats that, as a progressive candidate proposing sweeping change, she may not have enough mainstream appeal to compete with President Trump in the general election.

Most of the other White House contenders are, of course, also wooing party officials. But the more establishment-aligned candidates like former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Senator Kamala Harris of California do not face the same questions about their visions for party politics. And interviews with about two dozen Democrats who have been in contact with Ms. Warren reveal that her style of courtship has been unusually determined.

Troy Price, the chairman of Iowa's Democratic Party, said Ms. Warren called him the day he was re-elected to his post last year, immediately after the midterm elections and on the day she entered the race.

"All of the sudden the cellphone is ringing and it's her, not a staffer," added J. David Cox, the president of the American Federation of Government Employees, calling Ms. Warren "the most aggressive" of the Democratic contenders in pursuing him.

Ms. Warren's wooing could prove important should the nominating contest deadlock at the Democratic National Convention next summer: Many of the officials she is courting are so-called superdelegates, who are able to cast a binding vote should the primary go beyond a first ballot.

Beyond the potential electoral advantages, the relationships Ms. Warren is cultivating could prove just as powerful for symbolic purposes.

While in San Francisco, Ms. Warren met privately with Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, who in 2016 was one of Ms. Clinton's most outspoken supporters in the labor movement. Ms. Warren and Ms. Weingarten have developed a close relationship, frequently talking about education issues, and Ms. Weingarten recalled how the senator reached out to her with encouraging words when her union sued Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, over a student loan forgiveness program.

Then there is Representative Ral Grijalva of Arizona, who was Mr. Sanders's first congressional supporter in the 2016 election but who is now backing Ms. Warren.

So is Representative Deb Haaland of New Mexico, who last year became one of the first Native American women elected to Congress.

Ms. Haaland attended the San Francisco fund-raiser, sporting a Warren lapel pin, just a few days after she introduced and defended Ms. Warren at a forum dedicated to Native American issues in Iowa. After being sharply criticized from the right and the left for claiming Native American ancestry, Ms. Warren has apologized and taken down a 2018 video from her campaign website in which she trumpeted the results of a DNA test examining her heritage.

Ms. Haaland said that Ms. Warren helped raise money for her campaign last year and that the two had met in the senator's office and over tea in Ms. Warren's condominium this year.

"We're friends, we text each other," said the congresswoman, noting that she and Ms. Warren were also working together on legislation to establish universal child care and to provide resources to Native Americans.

While Ms. Warren has been careful to avoid directly criticizing Mr. Sanders, her regular references to being a capitalist withstanding, she is also quietly taking steps within the party to make clear that she does not want to create a competing power base should she become president.

She was one of the first Democratic candidates to sign a pledge circulated last month by the Association of State Democratic Committees vowing not to create any parallel political or organizing infrastructure that would compete with the national or state Democratic parties.
The same pledge, which was shared by a Democratic official, also includes a promise "to share all of my data collected during the presidential campaign with the D.N.C. and with state parties."

The state leaders were trying to ensure that the eventual nominee would turn over his or her fund-raising list and any voter file that was compiled for future races. More broadly, they also wanted to ensure that the nominee's political organization is housed within the architecture of the party.

This was done partly out of concern over Mr. Sanders, who has refused to share his 2016 supporter list with the party. (The senator's aides are quick to note that he has raised nearly $10 million for Democratic candidates and committees dating to his first presidential bid.)

But party leaders are just as concerned about the actions of former President Barack Obama: The Democratic National Committee wants to ensure that its nominee has no designs on creating a competing political entity in the mold of Mr. Obama's Organizing for America, which aimed to push his agenda as president. Many Democrats fault it for weakening the party infrastructure because it diverted money and focus from the committee.

Ms. Warren's outreach, though, extends well beyond the committee. Armed with call sheets compiled by her staff, the senator spends much of her time in transit on her phone, dialing up lawmakers, local party leaders and liberal activists. If she is not talking on the phone, she is often texting or writing personal notes.

Claire Celsi, an Iowa state senator who has said she is considering supporting Ms. Warren and Ms. Harris, recalled receiving a note and an inscribed copy of Ms. Warren's book "This Fight Is Our Fight" this year.

Ms. Warren's campaign events often begin out of public view, when she meets with a small groups of Democratic officials in gatherings, called "clutches," for pictures and a few minutes of conversation. While the size of her crowd last week in St. Paul, roughly 12,000, her campaign said drew headlines and attention on social media, her meeting beforehand with a few state lawmakers may have been even more memorable for them.

That was the case for Lisa DeMio, the chairwoman of the Democratic town committee in Hampstead, N.H., who met with Ms. Warren before the senator's town-hall-style meeting in Derry last month.

"It was a little more intimate," said Ms. DeMio, adding that, while she cannot officially endorse in her capacity as chairwoman, Ms. Warren is her first choice personally.

There are other Democrats like Ms. DeMio who can't, or probably won't, endorse Ms. Warren but who nevertheless have been on the receiving end of her personal touch.

The senator has emailed with Tom Vilsack, a former Iowa governor and agriculture secretary who has a longstanding relationship with Mr. Biden, to ask about agricultural policy, according to Democrats familiar with their exchanges.

Gilda Cobb-Hunter, a state representative in South Carolina, said even though she had made clear that she would not endorse in the primary race, Ms. Warren had reached out to her several times. "She's persistent but not pushy, she doesn't do the real hard sell," Ms. Cobb-Hunter said. "Her staff does the soft follow up."

That is sure to happen again next week, when Ms. Warren heads to South Carolina State University for a town-hall-style meeting as a guest of one of the university's most famous graduates, Representative James E. Clyburn, to discuss a bill they have jointly introduced related to student loan debt. Mr. Clyburn has long been an ally of Mr. Biden.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-campaign.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

COUNCIL BLUFFS, Iowa. Senator Elizabeth Warren has built the most formidable campaign organization of any Democratic presidential candidate in the first nominating states, raised an impressive $25 million without holding high-dollar fund-raisers, and has risen steadily in Iowa and New Hampshire polls.

Few candidates inspire as much enthusiasm as she does among party voters, too, from the thousands who turned out for her speech at the Iowa State Fair last weekend to the supporters in this western Iowa city who repeat her catchphrases, wear her buttons and describe themselves as dazzled by her intellect and liberal ideas.

Yet few candidates also inspire as much worry among these voters as Ms. Warren does.

Even as she demonstrates why she is a leading candidate for the party's nomination, Ms. Warren is facing persistent questions and doubts about whether she would be able to defeat President Trump in the general election. The concerns, including from her admirers, reflect the head-versus-heart debate shaping a Democratic contest increasingly being fought over the meaning of electability and how to take on Mr. Trump.

Interviews with more than three dozen Democratic voters and activists in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina this summer, at events for Ms. Warren as well as other 2020 hopefuls, yield a similar array of concerns about her candidacy.

These Democrats worry that her uncompromising liberalism would alienate moderates in battleground states who are otherwise willing to oppose the president. Many fear Ms. Warren's past claims of Native American ancestry would allow Mr. Trump to drown out her policy message with his attacks and slurs against her. They cite her professorial style and Harvard background to argue that she might struggle to connect with voters from more modest circumstances than hers, even though she grew up in a financially strained home in Oklahoma.

And there are Democrats who, chastened by Hillary Clinton's defeat in 2016, believe that a woman cannot win in 2020.

"I think she's terrific but my questions about her are, can she get elected with the negativity, with all the stuff that's thrown at her?" asked Rick Morris, a New Hampshire carpenter who attended a house party for Ms. Warren there last month. "Usually in the primary I vote for whoever I like the most, but this one I will put in electability."

The concerns about Ms. Warren partly reflect ingrained assumptions that women or candidates of color would have a harder time winning the presidency than white men. This view has been repeatedly expressed on the campaign trail by some Democrats who believe Mr. Trump's unlikely victory, after two terms of the nation's first black president, amounted to a warning sign about the American electorate's openness to change.

Many moderate Democrats see the field's current front-runner, Joseph R. Biden Jr., the 76-year-old former vice president, as a safer option than Ms. Warren and other candidates. But Mr. Biden's lead in the polls is partly based on strong name recognition, and his recent gaffes and middling debate performances have raised questions about whether he has the agility to defeat Mr. Trump.

Many voters interviewed are now wrestling with whether to elevate a candidate who captures their imaginations, and progressive ambitions, or to rally more cautiously behind a Democrat who they perceive as having a better chance of building a broad coalition of Democrats, independents and disaffected Republicans to fulfill their most urgent goal: ejecting Mr. Trump from the White House.

The Massachusetts senator's top campaign aides are acutely aware of their challenge on questions about Ms. Warren's viability. They are taking a series of steps to allay the concerns, perhaps most notably arming her in the last debate with the talking point that conventional wisdom also suggested that both Mr. Trump and former President Barack Obama were risky nominees because they broke from the traditional commander-in-chief mold. After the debate, Warren aides blasted clips of that remark from her social media accounts.

But even after Ms. Warren turned in two well-received debate performances, a Quinnipiac survey showed she had not made gains on the question of who has the best chance to beat Mr. Trump: Just nine percent said she did, while 49 percent pointed to Mr. Biden.

In an interview before a town hall meeting in western Iowa last week, Ms. Warren, acknowledging the questions about her candidacy, said there was only one overarching way to quiet the skeptics.

"Nothing will overcome people's worries more than success," she said.

But Ms. Warren also demonstrated that she was still uncertain about how to address Mr. Trump's taunts about the Native American heritage she once claimed. Her attempt to prove that ancestry with a DNA test last year drew fierce criticism from the right and left as well as some Native American groups; she stood by the DNA test for months, then apologized for it and the claims.

Having been told by advisers to generally avoid engaging on the issue, Ms. Warren struggled in the interview to articulate an answer about whether she would respond to Mr. Trump head-on when he uses his frequent slur for her, "Pocahontas," or pivot to a more policy-centered rebuttal.

"My job is not to be drawn off into that," she said.

And she had little to say about why, after pledging to a Native American group last year that she would always highlight their issues when her heritage is raised, she has quietly backed away from the commitment by typically remaining silent when Mr. Trump makes his attacks.

"I still, I am working on being a good partner," Ms. Warren said, haltingly. "And the best way to be a good partner is to walk the walk."

She was more sure-footed on an issue that has prompted alarm among elected Democratic officials and operatives: her refusal to hold fund-raisers or seek four-figure checks from the party's wealthy donors.

While she has made this commitment central to her primary campaign, implicitly scorning her rivals who are raising money in the traditional fashion, Ms. Warren said she would not shun big money if she becomes her party's nominee.

"I don't believe in unilateral disarmament," she said, making clear that her policy only applies in the primary and not in the general election, when Mr. Trump is expected to lean on a range of well-heeled individuals and interests.


But as Ms. Warren increasingly becomes a top contender for the nomination, Democrats are thinking harder about what that would mean for their prospects.

In Iowa, a former chairwoman of the state Democratic Party, Sue Dvorsky, endorsed Senator Kamala Harris last weekend after confiding to friends that she felt Ms. Warren's liberalism would be a liability in a general election, according to a Democratic official who spoke to Ms. Dvorsky.

It's a sentiment that many voters expressed at Warren events.

Some of these Democrats prefer Mr. Biden, viewing him as an acceptable option to a cross-section of voters, but others are eager to find a middle ground between the consensus-oriented former vice president and progressive firebrands like Ms. Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders.

Even as Ms. Warren demonstrates why she is a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination, she is facing persistent questions, even from admirers, about whether she would be able to defeat President Trump in the general election.

"If it were completely up to me, I'd vote for her," said Jessie Sagona, who also came to see Ms. Warren last month in New Hampshire. "But I kind of feel like, do we need somebody in the middle like Kamala or Pete," referring to Ms. Harris and Mayor Pete Buttigieg. Ms. Sagona said she had not fully made up her mind but was weighing the importance of "thinking strategically."

Jan Phelps, who came to see Senator Cory Booker at a house party of his own in New Hampshire last month, articulated a similar calculation.

"I love her enthusiasm. She's smart, she's very smart. I think she would make an amazing president," said Ms. Phelps, before quickly adding: "I'm worried about whether she can win. I worry that she's being pulled even further to the left and that concerns me. Because we need to win, we just need to win."

Ms. Warren is moving aggressively to address such concerns. Her aides are distributing "Win With Warren" signs at events to implicitly address the electability question. Her campaign also used a town hall meeting she held in Oakland to interview attendees, in the fashion of an on-the-scene local TV news reporter, about whether they thought she could win. (The verdict in the video: a resounding yes.)

And in addition to her debate remark on skepticism about Mr. Trump and Mr. Obama's candidacies, which reflects a theory of her top adviser, Dan Geldon, that most modern presidents were seen as vulnerable nominees, Ms. Warren is also making comparisons between this race and her 2012 defeat of then-Senator Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

"People told me you can't win," she recalled to attendees at her town hall in Council Bluffs. "And you can't win because Massachusetts is not going to elect a woman to the Senate or the governor's office."

Yet a few minutes before the Warren event here got underway, one of her admirers made this very point about Ms. Warren's White House hopes. Gail Houghton, a retiree, said flatly that she did not think Ms. Warren could win the presidency because of her gender.

"They're just not ready yet," Ms. Houghton said of the American electorate, adding that Mr. Trump's divisive conduct has normalized prejudices. "It's getting worse because we're getting permission to behave this way from the top."

But, Ms. Houghton was quick to add, she believed Ms. Warren would "make a wonderful vice president."

Democratic activists in other states say much the same. Approaching a reporter in June at Representative James Clyburn's annual fish fry in South Carolina, Ed Nelson waxed nostalgic about the Obama years before proffering his preferred pairing.

"I hope it's a Biden-Warren ticket," Mr. Nelson said. "That's what I want, that's what I want."

Ms. Warren's supporters bridle at what they believe is the condescending nature of projecting her as a running mate, as do supporters of Ms. Harris, who is also often mentioned as a possible No. 2.

Several Democrats voluntarily mentioned both women as candidates they are eyeing in the primaries and assessed them through the prism of electability. Some said they viewed Ms. Harris as a stronger choice, for reasons that they explain by pointing to 2016.

"I think one thing that happened with Hillary last time, people were like 'ehhhh,' they didn't like the personality," said Jackie Williams who attended an event for Ms. Harris last month near New Hampshire's Lake Winnipesaukee. Ms. Williams said Ms. Harris had the edge with her, pointing to her easy "interaction with the crowd."

At a Democratic picnic outside Des Moines a few weeks earlier, Marnie Lloyd said of Ms. Harris, "I don't think we'll hear the 'she's not likable' we heard with Hillary." Ms. Lloyd said she was less confident about Ms. Warren avoiding such a critique.

Judging personality and likability is subjective, of course, and those characteristics tend to be part of a double standard faced by female candidates. Many Democrats like Ms. Warren, some wait for an hour to take pictures with her, and she continues to gain supporters. But even among some of her enthusiasts, the questions about her vulnerabilities linger.

In Council Bluffs, waiting to see Ms. Warren take the stage, Herb Christensen was succinct about why he liked her and why he worried about her as the nominee.

"My god, she's smart," he said. "Pocahontas, that's the only thing."
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Good stuff. One point of clarification: Is she a Russian asset?
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Warren for President or Veep !
"Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say." - LT
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I'm expecting Thurston Howell III and his wife Lovely to join the Professor and MaryAnn...soon.
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Did you really need to copy and past the entire article?
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Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.
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GBear4Life said:

Did you really need to copy and past the entire article?


He's warming up his keyboard to challenge SFCityBear's postgame hoop analysis.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:



Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better.
LOL, I think Bernie is in it just to complain. He treats his staffers like garbage and hasn't done anything in his decades in politics.

If he wants to help people, why doesn't he actually do anything in the senate?
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GBear4Life said:

Did you really need to copy and past the entire article?
+1000

I guess the answer is "Yes"
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Unit2Sucks said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:



Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better.
LOL, I think Bernie is in it just to complain. He treats his staffers like garbage and hasn't done anything in his decades in politics.

If he wants to help people, why doesn't he actually do anything in the senate?
How does one gauge accomplishments in U.S. congressional politics? "Writing" or "co-writing" or sponsoring bills that pass? You're on of 535, and if you're anti-swamp anti-establishment can one be blamed for not having their colleagues on board with a lot of what they want to do?
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You don't win elections without money.
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The Growing Debate Over Elizabeth Warren's Wealth Tax - The New Yorker


https://apple.news/AV6nAlWBJRkCydTo0V8DRKQ
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Unit2Sucks said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:



Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better.
LOL, I think Bernie is in it just to complain. He treats his staffers like garbage and hasn't done anything in his decades in politics.

If he wants to help people, why doesn't he actually do anything in the senate?
Ah, you're one of those people who believe everything you're told without checking to see if it's true.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democratic-senators-pass-bills-rate/?fbclid=IwAR1z5gIKQqWJ70Gy4JRsloBcfxG7oLW4YGF6rdiJGMSeficPOEIx4d4yJcc
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bearister said:

The Growing Debate Over Elizabeth Warren's Wealth Tax - The New Yorker


https://apple.news/AV6nAlWBJRkCydTo0V8DRKQ
Might not be the perfect solution, but it at least starts the conversation of how to make them pay their fair share.

The problem though - none of these proposals can become law as long as the Senate remains as is, so as much as people complain about how Sanders' proposals would never pass - neither would this.
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wifeisafurd said:

You don't win elections without money.
But when you take corporate money, you are at their bidding. When you take citizens' money, you are at the bidding of the right people.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.


Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to
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OaktownBear said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.


Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to


Trump?
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OaktownBear said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.
Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to
That's fine, but then be intellectually honest enough to admit why she's "kneecapping" herself in the primary.

You know why. Just admit it.
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oski003 said:

OaktownBear said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.


Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to


Trump?

Trump just doesn't acknowledge rules, period.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

OaktownBear said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.
Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to
That's fine, but then be intellectually honest enough to admit why she's "kneecapping" herself in the primary.

You know why. Just admit it.

You mean a politician is playing politics?

Holy s***, what a revelation.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:



Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better.
LOL, I think Bernie is in it just to complain. He treats his staffers like garbage and hasn't done anything in his decades in politics.

If he wants to help people, why doesn't he actually do anything in the senate?
Ah, you're one of those people who believe everything you're told without checking to see if it's true.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democratic-senators-pass-bills-rate/?fbclid=IwAR1z5gIKQqWJ70Gy4JRsloBcfxG7oLW4YGF6rdiJGMSeficPOEIx4d4yJcc



Sorry, were you attempting to correct my post where I claimed Bernie hasn't done anything as a politician by providing support for the claim that the only bills he's passed have been to name post offices?

Bernie has done a great job as a presidential candidate bringing awareness to a number of issues. He has done a horrible job as an elected official in making a difference to anyone.

Elizabeth Warren was the driving force behind the creation of the CFPB. That is far more than Bernie has done in his decades of service.

It's not that I think Bernie's policies are so much worse than Warren's, it's just that I think you would have to be foolish to trust Bernie to be able to accomplish anything. He has no sway with anyone and doesn't appear to be interested in working with other people to accomplish anything that would address the things he complains about.

Bernie is more or less indistinguishable from a Teddy Ruxpin programmed with a few stock phrases.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.
Your conclusions are not factual
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

wifeisafurd said:

You don't win elections without money.
But when you take corporate money, you are at their bidding. When you take citizens' money, you are at the bidding of the right people.
"citizens" don't have enough money to win, unless they are corporate citizens like Soros. I don't think anyone here is so naive as to expect that any candidate not already wealthy doesn't need wealthy contributors.
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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

OaktownBear said:

Professor Turgeson Bear said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Hard to take any of this criticism seriously given the current occupant in the white house and the state of the democratic field.
Except that the reason she's "eschewing" big money in the primary is for one reason only and that's to match Bernie Sanders, who won't take big money ever. Once he's theoretically eliminated, then there's no reason to pretend to be altruistic anymore and the big money can come on back in.

Like any of the other candidates, save Sanders, she's not in this thing for public service or to make people's lives better. She's in it to win it for herself. Just like Trump and, much as he was a large improvement over him, just like Obama. Notice black people's lives getting appreciably better under Obama? Notice all the white collar criminals from the mortgage scandal who got off scot-free? That's what all this signalling is to the power brokers in the party. "I'm in it to win it and I'm not gonna **** with the power structure of this country."

I don't expect any of her fanbase to be intellectually honest about it, but them's the cold hard facts. And unlike our RWNJ friends, this isn't coming from some third-rate blog - it's coming from a reputable newspaper.
Yes, Obama got slammed when he took money too. The candidate I want to vote for is the one not stupid enough to kneecap themselves out of the gate by forcing themselves to obey rules their opponents don't have to
That's fine, but then be intellectually honest enough to admit why she's "kneecapping" herself in the primary.

You know why. Just admit it.


1. I'm not a Warren supporter.

2. This is a dumb reason not to support a candidate

3. The "they are all the same" look for ideological purity BS from too many of my liberal brethren is 100% responsible for George W ever being president which means it is 100% responsible for the Iraq war which means it is 100 % responsible for ISIS and a whole lot of awful crap just because enough liberals thought it didn't matter. Same thing with Donald Trump.

4. The only candidate who is not taking corporate money probably got his start 60 years ago promising no homework and shorter school days and continues to make promises for things with no plan to execute them and no hope of passing them.

5. Politicians play public opinion all the time. If what you want me to admit is it is a ploy to get votes and is intellectually dishonest, I admit it. Don't care. In fact, your post has made me more likely to vote for her as it makes me think that if she wins the nomination she won't try to face Trump's war chest without all the money she can get just to make a cheap political point.

6. Since I've admitted that, why don't you come clean about why you are attacking one candidate so hard. Are you a Trump supporter who sees her as the biggest threat? Or is it as I would guess that you need to make like Kramer and put that balm on because you are feeling that Bern a little too much
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The duopoly runs on money-it can't be changed. The duopoly will always seek to give money to democrats that are malleable ( all Republicans are)- Obama, Clinton, Buttcheek- because they don't rock the boat. Warren has the boat rocking reputation as does Sanders. In return for money you are designated by the donors and parties as "electable." Trump of course actually bucked this and in turn was labeled unelectable- he spent half as much as Clinton and won

Both parties have relatively the same favorability rating- less than 50%. Half the country holds its nose and votes for the ***** of Babylon or a carnival barker. Half doesn't vote. We need more people who are "unelectable"- they will motivate millions; these parties motivate only the deluded.
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The stupidity of this is that Warren has had major Wall Street financial backers like Soros for years and has never denied it. I'm not a Warren supporter either, but if you compare her positions on regulating Wall Street, she is very different from Sanders in tone and substance.

Given the challenges he may face in Congress, Sanders outlined a plan to cut the banks down to size through administrative fiat. It involves using Section 121 of the Dodd-Frank Act, which gives a board of regulators including the head of the Federal Reserve and the treasury secretary the power to order large financial institutions to shrink, and likely will not be upheld by the SCOTUS. Also Sanders is rather myopic, in that he doesn't address all those shadow banks like investment firms and insurance companies. To the extent there is discernible policy (other than vague words), he wants to change the tax code to promote long-term investing and to discourage short-term gambling by speculators (e.g., hedge funds guys like Soros). The other thing is Sanders just makes out everyone in big business to be evil.

Sanders has not only a different tone towards "corporations" (whatever that means) then Warren. She wants more want has been traditionally considered "traditional consumer regulation". For example, she wants to to go after tech firms for anti-trust violations, prohibit use of consumer information, and go after business that cheat consumers and investors, like say hedge funds. She also doesn't like concentration in certain business areas and would use anti-trust laws. In response to the concerns about US business needing to concentrate to face foreign competition, she is quite up front about using tariffs. She views business regulation as a means to improve and make markets more robust. Not as a means for social order.

Warren is paired with Sanders because in other areas, such as medical care, they have very similar positions. That is not true on "corporation" issues. Warren has never pretended to have socialist views.

Warren has a plan for Wall Street and Wall Street isn't panicking https://politi.co/2JEhIHB

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As far as attacks on Warren go, the OP's NYT editorial is rather weak. In fact, coming from the WIAF's links about her foreign policy positions were more informative and a bit more damning, though even that is nowhere near fatally damaging to her overall candidacy.

Next to Tulsi Gabbard, Warren represents the Democrats' best shot at beating Trump. Tulsi has been blackballed and marginalized by the MSM and Dem establishment for her strongly non-interventionist foreign policy, she's got little chance of breaking through. Warren is palatable to the largest constituency and would be a strong challenger to Trump in the Midwest.
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Cal88 said:

As far as attacks on Warren go, the OP's NYT editorial is rather weak. In fact, coming from the WIAF's links about her foreign policy positions were more informative and a bit more damning, though even that is nowhere near fatally damaging to her overall candidacy.

Next to Tulsi Gabbard, Warren represents the Democrats' best shot at beating Trump. Tulsi has been blackballed and marginalized by the MSM and Dem establishment for her strongly non-interventionist foreign policy, she's got little chance of breaking through. Warren is palatable to the largest constituency and would be a strong challenger to Trump in the Midwest.
Weird coincidence

Tulsi Gabbard is supported by Russian propaganda and Cal88
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The fact that a bunch of stories are now being released in an attempt to kneecap Elizabeth Warren tells me that she's getting close to winning.
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Cal88 said:

As far as attacks on Warren go, the OP's NYT editorial is rather weak. In fact, coming from the WIAF's links about her foreign policy positions were more informative and a bit more damning, though even that is nowhere near fatally damaging to her overall candidacy.

Next to Tulsi Gabbard, Warren represents the Democrats' best shot at beating Trump. Tulsi has been blackballed and marginalized by the MSM and Dem establishment for her strongly non-interventionist foreign policy, she's got little chance of breaking through. Warren is palatable to the largest constituency and would be a strong challenger to Trump in the Midwest.
If Tulsi Gabbard is not a billionaire and couldn't make it on the stage last night, she is done as in cooked and not a factor. If you can't get the requisite polling and you don't have the money then who is going to listen to you? How can you afford to compete in the different primaries? It's not the MSM or the establishment, it's her positions that voters are unwilling to support.
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BearNIt said:

Cal88 said:

As far as attacks on Warren go, the OP's NYT editorial is rather weak. In fact, coming from the WIAF's links about her foreign policy positions were more informative and a bit more damning, though even that is nowhere near fatally damaging to her overall candidacy.

Next to Tulsi Gabbard, Warren represents the Democrats' best shot at beating Trump. Tulsi has been blackballed and marginalized by the MSM and Dem establishment for her strongly non-interventionist foreign policy, she's got little chance of breaking through. Warren is palatable to the largest constituency and would be a strong challenger to Trump in the Midwest.
If Tulsi Gabbard is not a billionaire and couldn't make it on the stage last night, she is done as in cooked and not a factor. If you can't get the requisite polling and you don't have the money then who is going to listen to you? How can you afford to compete in the different primaries? It's not the MSM or the establishment, it's her positions that voters are unwilling to support.
She will continue to have a bubbling of support online from her Russian friends and their dupes. I expect she'll be on the ballot come November 2020 to draw support away from Trump's opponent.
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Cal88 said:

As far as attacks on Warren go, the OP's NYT editorial is rather weak. In fact, coming from the WIAF's links about her foreign policy positions were more informative and a bit more damning, though even that is nowhere near fatally damaging to her overall candidacy.

Next to Tulsi Gabbard, Warren represents the Democrats' best shot at beating Trump. Tulsi has been blackballed and marginalized by the MSM and Dem establishment for her strongly non-interventionist foreign policy, she's got little chance of breaking through. Warren is palatable to the largest constituency and would be a strong challenger to Trump in the Midwest.
Always good to hear what Republicans think Democrats should do.
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