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Why aren't you a Warren supporter?
I'm neither a supporter or detractor of Warren. Maybe I will be one or the other by voting time. Why I'm not a supporter:
1. The dna test was a major gaffe and she let Trump play her. She has to show that she won't make that kind of stupid mistake again.
2. IMO, using your whatever percentage status as Native American to gain cred when you do not suffer
any of their disadvantages is despicable. She did that and I have a real problem with it.
3. Her previous inability to attract any major donors.
She is rehabilitating all three issues. We'll see. She may ultimately be my default. I'm pretty much anybody but Biden now. I don't think Bernie is a good candidate. I like Harris and Booker, but they aren't gaining traction and I'm starting to be concerned that Harris can't generate excitement.
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Dubya is president because Al Gore is a fundamentally boring human being that nobody other than a bunch of moderate corporatist Democrats like yourself could get enthusiastic about. It has nothing to do with purity at all. How pure is a man whose family's fortune was made in the oil business and lives a life with a large carbon footprint and then preaches about global warming? Bill Clinton was hardly pure and people loved him.
Translation, exactly what I said. Liberals looking for perfect ideology, fat and happy after 8 years of a democrat in the White House, playing the "it doesn't matter. they are all the same" game.
I don't care where his family's money came from. He had run on environmental issues for years, dating back to when he ran for president the first time (as I would know since I was paying very close attention as I, ever the corporatist was strongly supporting Jessie Jackson). Maybe it was precisely because of his family history. I don't know. But he would have been by far the most environmentally conscious president we have ever had (even if you want to beat him over the head with conservative tropes about his personal carbon footprint). That meant a lot to me. He would have continued the support of the high tech economy that he and Clinton started, to a large extent at his urging. He also would have continued policies that I didn't like but were better than what dubya was going to do. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but in a two man race against Bush he certainly was.
I'm not a moderate corporatist. My voting record would make that clear. (I worked for Jackson. I voted for Jerry Brown over Clinton.) I do not stay home in general elections because the democrat is "fundamentally boring". That is the effing problem with liberals. Conservatives vote. All the damned time. Liberals get petulant. Gore as president would have advanced liberal environmental policies far beyond anything we had seen and we would have had a good chance at getting a start on global warming issues when there was still time to do something. He definitely would not have attacked Iraq and spent huge sums of money to destabilize a region against our interest. Whether you think he was boring, or came from oil money, or couldn't get "enthusiastic" about him, he was a clearly better choice for any liberal than George Bush. And that was the choice. Like it or not.
Liberals did not like Bill Clinton. I heard time and time again how he was pro-corporation and there was no difference between him and a republican. Except there were "little" things (that are actually big things) that newspaper articles didn't get written about like logging on national forest land being cut drastically from H. W. to Clinton. And getting fat and happy under 8 years of Clinton, and forgetting what it was like for all the liberal issues under a republican administration, too many liberals stayed home or threw their vote to Nader. Maybe Gore was a corporate stooge but at least he was a corporate stooge that was going to put in place center left policies instead of right wing policies. Not voting for him was moronic.
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Don't care that you don't care. But I'm glad someone admitted it.
You know what they call a candidate that doesn't take big money donations in a presidential election? Loser. You know what they call a candidate who ignores public opinion to be ideologically pure? Bernie...I mean Loser.
If you can't put your big boy (or big girl) pants on and deal with that, you might as well chuck the election. I'll tell you why I don't support Bernie. He calls himself a "socialist" because he espouses ideals that some Europeans who aren't socialist espouse, but they call themselves "democratic socialists" because that works for them politically in Europe. Only it chucks votes out the window here FOR NO REASON. Then when the democrats take up the issue of allowing people who have served time in prison to regain their voting rights once they've done their time - an issue that has polled very well - Bernie has to one up that and speak out for people in prison to vote - a policy that has zero support, will never happen, and allows your opponent to bludgeon you with "You want rapists, murderers, and child molesters to vote". What the FFFFF, Bernie? No one the hell asked for this. You bring this up. Hurt your cause and hurt the cause of those trying to get their right to vote restored. That kind of ideological purity leads to McGovern like defeats.
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I despise Trump.
I have concerns about all of the Democratic candidates. Given that the California primary isn't until Super Tuesday, I'm thinking that the field will have thinned out quite a bit by then. I can't say who I like the most of that field since whoever wins will not be Trump and will therefore be getting my vote. Biden, Warren and Sanders are all older than I'd prefer. The rest are all second-tier candidates that are gaining no traction and probably never will. Referencing one in particular, Buttigieg probably can't even win a primary in 2019, let alone the general. The country as a whole is not enough pro-LGBTQ for that.
I refer you to the 2012 republican primary. Where the conservative hilariously torpedoed every conservative candidate and ended up with the most moderate candidate in the field. If you want the most conservative democrat in the field and the most closely aligned to corporate America, keep trying to kneecap candidates like Warren so Ol' Joe can coast into the nomination playing his record player and his phonogr..(shut up Joe! shut up!)
