Anyway, my guess on this debate is that Warren and Biden gain some, Bloomberg and Klobuchar fall (Bloomberg by a lot), while Pete and Bernie stay about the same.

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Bloomberg should have been like "yeah so what, I wanted to bang her and it didn't work out, who cares?" ..."Stop and frisk? Yeah I'll do it again because it works. Yeah, I put police where crime occurs, if that happens to be black and brown communities, so be it. Kiss my a*s je**offs". Bloomberg looked bad because his defense was passive and inherently a bend-over to woke PC garbage. Should have went Trump on their a s s

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I'm sure this would have gone over great in a Democratic primary.

That said, yeah, even that probably would have been marginally better than what he did.

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His responses certainly didn't play well in a political debate format. Cringe worthy.

Dems, get on the Bernie train already. Face the inevitable. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Bearister going straight savage

Why do boomers hate on Bernie? Are they upset that Bernie wants to make life for this generation 1/10th as easy as they had it?

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Bearister going straight savage

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My biggest regret of the evening is that I forgot Bears are playing the Cougs tonight instead of tomorrow and that I missed the first half watching this Real Housewives of Las Vegas crap. Bears are taking it to the Cougs.

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Presidential campaigns are basically auditions for easier, better paying jobs.

GBear4Life said:

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Dems, get on the Bernie train already. Face the inevitable. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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bearister said:

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Interesting take. I drink my coffee black, work holidays, weekends, and about 60 hrs a week on avg. I make 40k and am not on a payroll so pay my full share of taxes and get no benefits, and am currently going through bankruptcy over my 3 and 5 yr old childrens medical bills. . . and, yes, I am Bernie supporter too.

This limited vision of the state of your fellow countrymen surrounding you and who feels a certain way and why, is very telling.

2 out of 3 hospital goers can't pay the bill.

Many middle class households with insurance can't afford their health care bills.

My insured neighbor took ambulance 5 miles to the hospital ($1800) and ordered by doctor to stay two nights ($8k). I told her not to pay it. Wait 3 months and negotiate a much lower amount to settle.

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Interesting take. I drink my coffee black, work holidays, weekends, and about 60 hrs a week on avg. I make 40k and am not on a payroll so pay my full share of taxes and get no benefits, and am currently going through bankruptcy over my 3 and 5 yr old childrens medical bills. . . and, yes, I am Bernie supporter too.

This limited vision of the state of your fellow countrymen surrounding you and who feels a certain way and why, is very telling.

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From this morning:
https://theslot.jezebel.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-reminds-the-view-that-life-is-1841793395

If this corona virus just killed people over 70 it might be worth a second look as a public service.

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Interesting take. I drink my coffee black, work holidays, weekends, and about 60 hrs a week on avg. I make 40k and am not on a payroll so pay my full share of taxes and get no benefits, and am currently going through bankruptcy over my 3 and 5 yr old childrens medical bills. . . and, yes, I am Bernie supporter too.

This limited vision of the state of your fellow countrymen surrounding you and who feels a certain way and why, is very telling.

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I am sorry about your situation. I always vote against my financial interests, but still won't vote for Bernie. My rant clearly does not apply to your journey.

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My major takeaway from tonight is that I am no longer willing to hold my nose and vote for Bernie if it comes to that. F@uck Bernie. His Bros need to drink fewer $5 lattes, put in 50 hours a week once in a while, do less clubbing, and save some money, so that mummy and daddy don't have to provide you with a bunch of free sh@it.

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Interesting take. I drink my coffee black, work holidays, weekends, and about 60 hrs a week on avg. I make 40k and am not on a payroll so pay my full share of taxes and get no benefits, and am currently going through bankruptcy over my 3 and 5 yr old childrens medical bills. . . and, yes, I am Bernie supporter too.

This limited vision of the state of your fellow countrymen surrounding you and who feels a certain way and why, is very telling.

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I am sorry about your situation. I always vote against my financial interests, but still won't vote for Bernie. My rant clearly does not apply to your journey.

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So if it's Bernie vs. Trump what do you do?

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So if it's Bernie vs. Trump what do you do?

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...as I'm bleeding out I finger paint the Bernie box on the ballot...unless I die first.

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Presidential campaigns are basically auditions for easier, better paying jobs.

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I don't even know if the original comment is supposed to be a compliment or an insult.

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Man, Buttigieg was a real c*nt tonight, particularly towards Amy.

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Its a Presidential debate, what do you expect? Also, its strategy, Buttigieg needs the moderate lane to clear out, and Amy's campaign doesn't have the financial resources others do, so she is the most likely to drop out next. If she doesn't do well in Nevada or South Carolina it could mean her supporters are up for grabs by Super Tuesday. He probably guessed everyone would take shots at Bloomberg, so he focused on her. If Klobuchar, Bloomberg, and Biden all decline he can suck up their votes.

Nonetheless, I'm still on Team Vote Blue No Matter Who.

One other comment about Nevada, does anyone know who the Steyer supporters are? He has been at around 10% in the polls in Nevada, yet I have no idea who supports him.

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So if it's Bernie vs. Trump what do you do?

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...as I'm bleeding out I finger paint the Bernie box on the ballot...unless I die first.

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I'll take it.

Yikes, issues not personal insults guys and gals. Good TV,, bad politics.

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Yikes, issues not personal insults guys and gals. Good TV,, bad politics.

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Was good enough politics for T to beat Bush et al.

wifeisafurd said:

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Yikes, issues not personal insults guys and gals. Good TV,, bad politics.

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It always gets this way in the late stages of the primary.

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Dems, get on the Bernie train already. Face the inevitable. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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I'm perfectly comfortable with Bernie as the nominee. Seems like he's a pretty strong campaigner. He has his weaknesses, but is good at minimizing them. I think the argument that he's "unelectable" doesn't hold up against the available evidence.

If Bloomberg wins the Dem nomination, I would wonder if anyone who isn't a billionaire will ever again be elected president. The electoral power of personal wealth is just too strong. A multi-billionaire can personally fund their own nationwide ad-blitz and national electoral infrastructure, even own their own media company. Imagine a Bezos 2024 run. By that point his fortune may be over $200 billion, on top of being CEO of one of the world's most powerful companies and owner of the Washington Post to boot. Without a sharp turn in economic policy (particularly tax and financial regulation), these private fortunes will only continue to swell. 40 more years of policy like the last 40 and we'll have trillionaires running for president, while wages would have remained essentially flat adjusted for inflation.

Those who claim to be American patriots but also support regressive tax policies and reject campaign finance / spending restrictions: how do you people square your support for these policies with the effects they have on the health of American democracy?

Does any Democrat here still think Bloomberg could win the nomination even after watching him take live fire tonight? His baggage and lack of sufficient charisma make me feel he is DOA. His advantage in ad spend is massive, but at some point people will tune into at least one of his debates, and they will see a striking contrast between how bad ass he is in commercials versus on live tv.

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Does any Democrat here still think Bloomberg could win the nomination even after watching him take live fire tonight? His baggage and lack of sufficient charisma make me feel he is DOA. His advantage in ad spend is massive, but at some point people will tune into at least one of his debates, and they will see a striking contrast between how bad ass he is in commercials versus on live tv.

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Yeah, I think Bloomberg could win the nomination if he can get the conservative wing of the party united behind him. If/when Buttigieg, Biden and Klobuchar are all out, Bloomberg will become the default candidate of the entire anti-Sanders crowd. If this goes to the convention...ugh.

Hope you're right about his live performances sinking him, but the entire party has the patina of fear. Everyone dreads another 4 years of Trump but about half of the D voters are about as afraid of Bernie. They're ripe for the pickings of a "strong" "moderate" candidate.

Mike Bloomberg pulled a Cindy Brady:



and we were watching at home like, yo, *** are you doing???

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sycasey said:

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So if it's Bernie vs. Trump what do you do?

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...as I'm bleeding out I finger paint the Bernie box on the ballot...unless I die first.

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Dude, you are painting it way too harshly.

Trump is a monster and needs to be stopped. You stop that monster and worry about the rest of it later.
Don't be a Trump enabler! You vote for whoever is against the monster!

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Does any Democrat here still think Bloomberg could win the nomination even after watching him take live fire tonight? His baggage and lack of sufficient charisma make me feel he is DOA. His advantage in ad spend is massive, but at some point people will tune into at least one of his debates, and they will see a striking contrast between how bad ass he is in commercials versus on live tv.

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https://i.ibb.co/mDLp9v0/Bloomberg-Tombstone.jpg

You'll have to forgive my good friend bearister, one of my favorite posters on this board. He just suffered a crushing end to his dream of a white knight moderate savior to stop the inevitable Sanders nomination.

https://i.redd.it/2a0mepsgv6h41.jpg

Tonight was the greatest debate in American political history. Four career Democrats fighting for their electoral lives and one independent stood up to an American oligarch blatantly trying to buy an election despite a treasure trove of easily verifiable information that would sink him in the eyes of any true Democrat. You can lie to Republicans and they'll believe whatever Fox News tells them to believe. You have some Democrats that aren't on the Internet and just trust a bunch of vague well done TV ads to give you an impression that a guy knows what he's doing. You can buy off major news corporations, minority political operatives, cash desperate mayors, and even Stacey Abrams to give yourself an illusion of Democratic credibility. But in the Internet age, you cannot hide from your past and tonight, all five candidates did our country an incredible service standing up to rich people buying elections right in our face.

The guy even admitted publicly that he could never win due to his past unless he went on a CNN apology tour. Which is precisely what he did.





And they predicted precisely how this debate would go down.



Joe Biden came back from the dead and finally stood for something instead of clinging to an electability argument that didn't wash. People wanted inspiration and he wasn't giving it to them. Tonight he brought fire and specific stances. He wasn't a clear winner, but he finally started fighting for something he assumed he was entitled to.

Warren scored points alone for hammering home how many NDA he had with women. He looked like a fool in that exchange. Which he is. But she burned her credibility with a lack of a viable health care plan and playing identity politics to try to score points. She vacillated tonight between being female solidarity with Klobuchar and then sometimes attacking her to try to get back some of the white affluent female vote she lost to her in New Hampshire.

Klobuchar was not as strong as expected. Buttigieg attacked her and she almost broke down in tears. She led in talking time, but the moderators (who were the one horrible part of the debate - Chuck Todd is a straight up ********** and the Latin woman kept interrupting everybody) and she looked weak on climate change and wasn't convincing that her state appeal with minorities extends nationally.

Buttigieg is a terrific public speaker, but he makes some unfair attacks to try to score points, can't deal with tough questions, and is a small-town mayor from a small college town with no bonafides. I don't think his has ever been a serious campaign for President. I don't think he ever seriously thought he could win, though maybe his fundraising and short honeymoon with the media gave him a boost he never earned. I think this campaign was more about getting him name recognition for his next political move after South Bend. If he wants to be President, he needs to prove himself as a governor, Congressman, or Senator first. You don't get to skip to the head of the class anymore. We tried that and we got burned badly.

Sanders is one great performance on Super Tuesday from virtually wrapping this election up. He was his predictable self tonight saying the same things he always says.

As an aside, I have to say that I'm utterly embarrassed on behalf of anyone on this board that actually is college educated, even if you didn't go to Cal, and didn't realize that Bloomberg was an utter fraud as a Democratic candidate. All this stuff on him has been out there for years and easily verifiable with no plausible deniability for him. He was mayor of a much bigger town, but he was a disaster in that job and had to buy his way in. He has years of supporting Republican candidates, values, and the Iraq war. He was absurdly easy to take down and his little memo about how everyone should GTFO of his way and let him win this thing just sealed the deal that they were going to murder his ass on national TV tonight. And they did. He won't hold elective office ever again in his life for either party. He probably won't ever get up on a debate stage again. He'll just stay in the race like a petulant child, stealing votes from actual Democratic moderates in the hope that a brokered convention can save him. But it can't.

What you people have consistently refused to understand is that the Sanders voting block is the second largest voting demographic in this country behind Trump supporters. And it's growing and continues to grow as people start to realize that he actually could win. People love Sanders. They love that he's been true to his message his whole life, that he can't be bought, and that he stands up for the immigrants, the disenfranchised, and the working class against the big money that has controlled American politics for most of our history. The only thing that has ever stopped more people from voting for him is the fear that he can't win. But as his message continues to resonate and he keeps winning states, that fear is going away. They realize that he's got the most enthusiastic base in the Democratic Party and that they are the most loyal, while everybody else jumps from candidate to candidate hoping someone can stop him because they want to keep their taxes lower. But there is no white knight coming to save you. Candidates will continue peeling off as they run out of money and all that will be left will be a petulant Bloomberg who will refuse to concede like Tulsi, while avoiding the debate stage for fear of a repeat of tonight and hoping the Never Berners will come back to him. But now there are also a lot of Never Bloomers now that they realize he's a fraud.

Even if somehow you could get to the convention, get your brokered convention, and deny the will of the majority of the voters of your party, it would be a Pyrrhic victory. As I told you, Sanders has the second largest voting demographic in the field. It's true that he can't win without your moderate votes. But you can't win without Sanders supporters and in that game of chicken, Sanders supporters win. Many of us will vote for someone who wins a majority of pledged delegates. We talk about it all the time. There are some Bernie or Bust folks, but they're not the majority. You think that the Twitter trolls represent all Sanders voters, but you've never met actual Sanders supporters in real life. If you'd been to the rally in Richmond, you would have seen how utterly normal and diverse they are. And you would have seen just how enthusiastic they are for Sanders.
But they hate Trump just as much as you do. In a fair loss, they will ultimately rally around the winner and get Trump out. You **** them over and they will **** you worse. The math is either 4 more years of Trump and a new progressive going for the nomination or a potential 8 years of a crooked DNC getting what they tried to sell their soul for and failed miserably at tonight. They will take the 4 years and say **** you to the DNC.

Warren and Buttigieg have the money to stay in the race for a while. Biden still has some national standing in the polls, but after Super Tuesday he may just look like Mr. Third Place. Klobuchar needs some decent finishes or New Hampshire will become irrelevant, she'll run out of money, and be gone. If any of you soul-selling idiots have a shred of Democratic values in you, you will throw your support behind Biden or Klobuchar, both of whom like you upper-middle-class types a lot and have the experience to do the job at a much higher level than Trump can, but will appoint federal judges that will stand for what you stand. Maybe you'll even decide you can stomach Warren's progressive leanings and get behind her if she outlasts Klobuchar. Some of you will still fall for Buttigieg's strong speaking skills and excuse him for having no actual federal governing experience, but his negative and his continued lying about having the support of blacks will ultimately kill him. I'd provide the link, but I'm so unconcerned about him I don't need to bother. Go look it up yourself if you want.

Someone other than Sanders needs to win South Carolina or it's all over by Super Tuesday. And I mean completely over.

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Elizabeth coming off like a whining, lecturing professor. She is officially deceased. Biden, done. Amy, baked. Pete? Nope. Mike and Bernie are last men standing.



*BTW, The "who is winning the debate" poll on Drudge has Bernie winning. Who do you figure the Drudge base wants running against their boy?

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I almost always agree with you but i think the one clear loser last night was Bloomberg. I think he might be done before he started. He was horrible.

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Elizabeth coming off like a whining, lecturing professor. She is officially deceased. Biden, done. Amy, baked. Pete? Nope. Mike and Bernie are last men standing.



*BTW, The "who is winning the debate" poll on Drudge has Bernie winning. Who do you figure the Drudge base wants running against their boy?

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I almost always agree with you but i think the one clear loser last night was Bloomberg. I think he might be done before he started. He was horrible.

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Bearister seems to think that he can continue speaking a Bloomberg win into existence. Pretty much all the commentary I've seen says that Bloomberg was bad in this debate.

I'm moving to Dingle to live out my days catching dog fish, conger eel and gurnard and regaling the locals with tales of the old days on BearInsider. I may even join the Sinn Fein Revolution sweeping the Republic.

Communism did better than f$cking Bloomberg last night.