Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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With huge State and local budget deficits, Newsom has to be under severe pressure to relax restrictions as soon as he can. I would not be surprised if he doesn't wait for Oregon or Washington governors to get on board. And you are right, local officials may be more of an impediment that Newsom when it comes to activity in the Bay Area.

Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

link to a Good Place, covidly speaking..

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6

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Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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With huge State and local budget deficits, Newsom has to be under severe pressure to relax restrictions as soon as he can. I would not be surprised if he doesn't wait for Oregon or Washington governors to get on board. And you are right, local officials may be more of an impediment that Newsom when it comes to activity in the Bay Area.

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Yep time to become sensible Gavin.

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

rkt88edmo said:

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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actually several Bay Area counties are behind Newsom. So no, it is the Counties who are imposing tougher quarantine standards than Newsom currently.

One thing that many are counting on is that once Newsom "opens" CA businesses will bounce back. From the polling data I've seen, even if you open gyms, restaurants tattoo parlors or *****houses, it is likely that most patrons will still stay away out of personal fear. Same with football stadiums.

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

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Because we created a false narrative that any discussion about how economic activity is trading lives for money, and that that is somehow novel, unique, and unreasonable.

Now people with responsibility are in a position where if people die (and they will), they will be crucified for trading lives for shopping.

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One thing that many are counting on is that once Newsom "opens" CA businesses will bounce back. From the polling data I've seen, even if you open gyms, restaurants tattoo parlors or *****houses, it is likely that most patrons will still stay away out of personal fear. Same with football stadiums.

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Eh, something like 100% of people in SF support wearing masks. I was there Friday and almost no one I saw was wearing a mask, and those who were had them over just their mouth or under their chin.

Something like 70% of Americans and almost all the people in the Bay Area support shelter in place... yet traffic patterns and cell phone data show far fewer people practicing.

Poll how many people think their neighbors will shop. People always pretend to be righteous about these things but will tell the truth if they are absolved of social pressure.

All it takes is for their chosen leader (eg Newsom) to say "go shopping," and people will drop the pretense as well.


As an example, I offer this board and this thread: without the fear of social pressure, nearly everyone is chomping at the bit for Football. Take those people off a football forum and in the GP, and suddenly they cant say they would try to be first in line for limited seating.

sluggo said:

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Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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I trust Newsom to proceed cautiously towards a safe resolution to the crisis. He has done an excellent job to this point and I expect him to continue on that path. As for the Bay Area, I support the actions taken to date - we have kept the virus outbreak somewhat under control by acting prudently.

And yes, I wear a mask every time I step outside and add gloves when going into grocery stores. We have a regimen that we developed in March and have stuck to it. My first grandchild is arriving in August (in Brooklyn). I want to be around to see him grow up.

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sluggo said:

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Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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I trust Newsom to proceed cautiously towards a safe resolution to the crisis. He has done an excellent job to this point and I expect him to continue on that path. As for the Bay Area, I support the actions taken to date - we have kept the virus outbreak somewhat under control by acting prudently.

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Fair to disagree with me. I will point out that the Bay Area closed two days before the state, and it has been only two days since the state allowed some reopening. So the public health officers have had only four days to differ from the state. The pertinent question is whether we should be behind the state right now, given our very low infection rates.

Sluggo

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sluggo said:

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Gavin Newsom said stage 3 of the reopening may be only a month away. This is important for many reasons, but is particularly relevant on a football board because it includes sports without fans. See https://abc7.com/phase-3-gavin-newsom-california-reopen-when-will/6164783/

Meanwhile, the Bay Area, lead by Santa Clara County Public Health Officer Sara Cody, it trying to not allow the move into stage 2, which was announced by the state last Friday. This is despite much lower rates of disease than in Los Angeles County, test positivity rate of 1-2%, empty hospitals, etc. The Bay Area public health officers are a bigger threat than the state. This is not just to football but to overall health of the Bay Area, which involves many more factors than just the number of people with the virus.

Sluggo

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I trust Newsom to proceed cautiously towards a safe resolution to the crisis. He has done an excellent job to this point and I expect him to continue on that path. As for the Bay Area, I support the actions taken to date - we have kept the virus outbreak somewhat under control by acting prudently.

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Fair to disagree with me. I will point out that the Bay Area closed two days before the state, and it has been only two days since the state allowed some reopening. So the public health officers have had only four days to differ from the state. The pertinent question is whether we should be behind the state right now, given our very low infection rates.

Sluggo

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Every region of the state should move forward according to the guidelines established by the state and regional leadership. As the Governor has said, if regional leadership chooses a more cautious approach than the guidelines he developed for the state, then the region should adhere to the directives of regional leadership. In a state this large, there is no "one size fits all solution" and a thoughtful, reasoned locally created plan is the right idea.

Of course, I am lookIng guess at the long term. The numbers may be "under control" now that does not mean we are through with the virus. It could very well return with a vengeance in the near future because we prematurely resumed "normal life". We need to address this the right way so we don't have to go through this process again. If that means keeping things locked up for a while longer, so be it.

I'm not really sure anyone knows what "safely" reopening means. Even with the current SIP orders, California barely got below an R effective of 1.0. According to rt.live we are at 0.84 now and were at 1.08 a month ago. Even Michigan and Louisiana are down to 0.75. Montana is even lower at 0.59.
[url=https://rt.live/][/url]

The chart above is for the whole state, but there is a difference between the bay area and Southern California, as you can see from the graphics below. Southern California is still facing a growing number of cases, so what do people think will happen with even fewer guardrails in place?

[url=https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/coronavirus-map/][/url]

Everyone seems to acknowledge that compliance is imperfect. Conservatives who used to trumpet the rule of law now openly encourage people to ignore laws they find inconvenient. Does anyone think that will lead to a "safe" reopening of the economy? As we've seen from location data and consumer spend data, people who can afford to stay home will continue to do so. The economy is only as strong as consumer spend makes it.

I get that people are unhappy being trapped at home and that the economic consequences have been, and continue to be, devastating. This reopening is unlikely to revive our economy unless people feel safe and people aren't going to feel safe when the numbers keep increasing day over day, nor should they.

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rkt88edmo said:

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

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I agree. Let's try opening up gradually and cautiously, with the public well-informed about what to do and what not to do. If hospitalizations start to spike, we can always go back to SIP.

We still need to increase the testing, though. I really feel like we're rudderless on this.

The public, generally, will accept direction, if it is given wisely, clearly and sensibly. At the Safeway I shop at, which spans a wide demographic, everybody is wearing a mask and nobody is complaining about it... because they understand and it makes sense.

Big C said:

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sluggo said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

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I agree. Let's try opening up gradually and cautiously, with the public well-informed about what to do and what not to do. If hospitalizations start to spike, we can always go back to SIP.

We still need to increase the testing, though. I really feel like we're rudderless on this.

I feel like the public, generally, will accept direction, if it is given wisely, clearly and sensibly. At the Safeway I shop at, which spans a wide demographic, everybody is wearing a mask and nobody is complaining about it... because they understand and it makes sense.

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I honestly don't understand the comments on testing? In my North Bay County testing for Covid-19 and/or the antibodies in readily available for everyone. I was tested for the antibodies last week.

Is this not the case in other Bay Area Counties?

Even if testing is widely available and free of charge I don't see a lot of people getting tested. I don't talk to people who are anxious to get tested.

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As an example, I offer this board and this thread: without the fear of social pressure, nearly everyone is chomping at the bit for Football. Take those people off a football forum and in the GP, and suddenly they cant say they would try to be first in line for limited seating.

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To be fair, I'm far more vocal on the need for football to be played this year and the economic fantasy that Cal Athletics can survive without it in my personal life than I am even on the board. But I may be a bad example as my feelings about Cal sports (sometimes referred to as "my problem") is well known among my friends and family. They've learned to live with it.

"Basically, you can't contract COVID-19 through touch aloneit does not get absorbed through your skinand in order to acquire coronavirus through touch, you'll have to touch something contaminated and then touch your face. That's what essentially renders gloves useless. "While gloves might seemingly create a barrier between your hands and infected surfaces, they do not prevent COVID-19 infection because you can still touch your face with your gloved hands," says Dr. Meyer."

Should You Wear Gloves to the Grocery Store During Coronavirus?


https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/should-you-wear-gloves-to-the-grocery-store

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As an example, I offer this board and this thread: without the fear of social pressure, nearly everyone is chomping at the bit for Football. Take those people off a football forum and in the GP, and suddenly they cant say they would try to be first in line for limited seating.

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To be fair, I'm far more vocal on the need for football to be played this year and the economic fantasy that Cal Athletics can survive without it in my personal life than I am even on the board. But I may be a bad example as my feelings about Cal sports (sometimes referred to as "my problem") is well known among my friends and family. They've learned to live with it.

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Ha ha, I share your "problem" Sebastabear. And in the low times for Cal I feel like a child abuser for raising my sons as Cal fans. But the highs are glorious and hope springs eternal...

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Big C said:

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sluggo said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

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I agree. Let's try opening up gradually and cautiously, with the public well-informed about what to do and what not to do. If hospitalizations start to spike, we can always go back to SIP.

We still need to increase the testing, though. I really feel like we're rudderless on this.

I feel like the public, generally, will accept direction, if it is given wisely, clearly and sensibly. At the Safeway I shop at, which spans a wide demographic, everybody is wearing a mask and nobody is complaining about it... because they understand and it makes sense.

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I honestly don't understand the comments on testing? In my North Bay County testing for Covid-19 and/or the antibodies in readily available for everyone. I was tested for the antibodies last week.

Is this not the case in other Bay Area Counties?

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There is more testing available now, for sure. "Enough" available? I don't know, probably not.

I'm not sure most people have gotten past the April mind-set of "it's too hard to get a test so I won't even try".

Seems like we should be testing wide swaths of the population, both for the virus and for antibodies.

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I honestly don't understand the comments on testing? In my North Bay County testing for Covid-19 and/or the antibodies in readily available for everyone. I was tested for the antibodies last week.

Is this not the case in other Bay Area Counties?

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Last I heard in my north bay county (Marin) is that testing is available if you think you have symptoms, not for antibodies. If antibody testing is available then the word isn't getting out nearly enough. Which north bay counties are providing volunteer antibody testing?

UrsaMajor said:

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One thing that many are counting on is that once Newsom "opens" CA businesses will bounce back. From the polling data I've seen, even if you open gyms, restaurants tattoo parlors or *****houses, it is likely that most patrons will still stosnal fear. Same with football stadiums.n I c

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I can see that for a while. I might be one of those of people. But will players stay out of open stadiums?

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I'm not really sure anyone knows what "safely" reopening means. Even with the current SIP orders, California barely got below an R effective of 1.0. According to rt.live we are at 0.84 now and were at 1.08 a month ago. Even Michigan and Louisiana are down to 0.75. Montana is even lower at 0.59.
[url=https://rt.live/][/url]

The chart above is for the whole state, but there is a difference between the bay area and Southern California, as you can see from the graphics below. Southern California is still facing a growing number of cases, so what do people think will happen with even fewer guardrails in place?

[url=https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/coronavirus-map/][/url]

Everyone seems to acknowledge that compliance is imperfect. Conservatives who used to trumpet the rule of law now openly encourage people to ignore laws they find inconvenient. Does anyone think that will lead to a "safe" reopening of the economy? As we've seen from location data and consumer spend data, people who can afford to stay home will continue to do so. The economy is only as strong as consumer spend makes it.

I get that people are unhappy being trapped at home and that the economic consequences have been, and continue to be, devastating. This reopening is unlikely to revive our economy unless people feel safe and people aren't going to feel safe when the numbers keep increasing day over day, nor should they.

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I can't access the article because its behind a paywall. How are "reported cases" defined? Because if its just a gross number, then the metric is largely irrelevant - much if not most of the increase will be attributable to increased testing.

The better metric is deaths/hospitalizations - which trails by several weeks - and in any event appears to be on the decline.

Since you (and Newsom) blame conservatives for being hypocrites for resisting questionable proclamations (not "laws" as you said) they find unconstitutional or illegal, maybe someone could ask Newsom on what basis he issued gay marriage licenses in 2004? And on what basis sanctuary cities ignore and actively thwart federal laws? And maybe you could answer how that's different than what "conservatives" and many other people are doing now? If conservatives are ignoring the regulations (not because they believe their "inconvenient" but because they feel their illegal/unconstitutional), I'm pretty sure I know where they got the idea that was ok - Newsom's chickens are coming home. The lesson in this is that hypocrisy is found on all political fronts.

And for the record, I think people who violate the SIP regulations should pay the legal consequences, whatever those are. Charge/cite them and let the courts sort it out.

Have any of the bay area counties articulated a factual basis (rational or not) for refusing to move to stage 2? I'm open to the possibility there is a legitimate reason, but I haven't heard it. For example, I heard Sonoma has extended and has virtually no covid.

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I honestly don't understand the comments on testing? In my North Bay County testing for Covid-19 and/or the antibodies in readily available for everyone. I was tested for the antibodies last week.

Is this not the case in other Bay Area Counties?

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Last I heard in my north bay county (Marin) is that testing is available if you think you have symptoms, not for antibodies. If antibody testing is available then the word isn't getting out nearly enough. Which north bay counties are providing volunteer antibody testing?

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Anyone who wants a COVID antibody test can order one directly from Quest for $119. Order online and pick your appointment time/location. I don't believe a doctor's order is required - though a doctors order may be required for insurance coverage (not sure).

https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/

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"Basically, you can't contract COVID-19 through touch aloneit does not get absorbed through your skinand in order to acquire coronavirus through touch, you'll have to touch something contaminated and then touch your face. That's what essentially renders gloves useless. "While gloves might seemingly create a barrier between your hands and infected surfaces, they do not prevent COVID-19 infection because you can still touch your face with your gloved hands," says Dr. Meyer."

Should You Wear Gloves to the Grocery Store During Coronavirus?


https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/should-you-wear-gloves-to-the-grocery-store

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Would you wash your gloves as often and thoroughly as you do your hands?

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I can't access the article because its behind a paywall. How are "reported cases" defined? Because if its just a gross number, then the metric is largely irrelevant - much if not most of the increase will be attributable to increased testing.

The better metric is deaths/hospitalizations - which trails by several weeks - and in any event appears to be on the decline.

Since you (and Newsom) blame conservatives for being hypocrites for resisting questionable proclamations (not "laws" as you said) they find unconstitutional or illegal, maybe someone could ask Newsom on what basis he issued gay marriage licenses in 2004? And on what basis sanctuary cities ignore and actively thwart federal laws? And maybe you could answer how that's different than what "conservatives" and many other people are doing now? If conservatives are ignoring the regulations (not because they believe their "inconvenient" but because they feel their illegal/unconstitutional), I'm pretty sure I know where they got the idea that was ok - Newsom's chickens are coming home. The lesson in this is that hypocrisy is found on all political fronts.

And for the record, I think people who violate the SIP regulations should pay the legal consequences, whatever those are. Charge/cite them and let the courts sort it out.

Have any of the bay area counties articulated a factual basis (rational or not) for refusing to move to stage 2? I'm open to the possibility there is a legitimate reason, but I haven't heard it. For example, I heard Sonoma has extended and has virtually no covid.

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Why are you talking about gay marriage licenses from 2004 during a pandemic in 2020? Republicans have been proclaiming themselves the part of the rule of law for decades so I'm not sure why your whataboutism is relative. How long have you been criticizing democrats and their activist judges, etc.? Turns out, to no one's surprise, it was just posturing. I'm glad that you think the people who violate regulations should pay the legal consequences because that's not universally held by conservatives politicians. See the Lt. Gov of Texas actively working against the state's avowed interests.

Fortunately most conservatives civilians, like most Americans of all persuasions (outside right wing extremists), are paying attention to the public health crisis and are acting in their own best interests, even if their elected officials are acting against them. Here's another graphic from a NYT article I linked previously on point:




To your question regarding the data I cited previously, I didn't think SF Gate had paywalled their COVID map but here is some more detail behind the case counts.

Sources: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, California Department of Public Health and county public health departments, Chronicle reporting

The seven-day trailing average represents the average number of cases or deaths reported each day over the weeklong span ending on the given day. It is used to account for daily variances in reporting and large one-off changes in daily counts, such as April 20 when nearly 1,500 cases were reported in L.A. County as the result of a lab clearing a large backlog. Some counties do not provide daily updates which, combined with daily variances in the number of tests given, could result in randomly higher or lower counts for daily reported cases.

Newsom is a tool and Elon Musk is right. We could safely, cautiously and reasonably open now. Get off the beach! Sand in the skatepark? Arrest the hairdresser? No demonstrations! Drones keeping tabs on us and then trackers for the rest.

Nothing to see here if you don't want to look...

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Big C said:

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rkt88edmo said:

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Well it's Newsome and the county health heads. There is zero upside for a county health official to push for a quicker reopening. It's all risk for them as far as I can tell.

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I am pushing for the Bay Area to implement state Stage 2, which Newsom approved last Friday. We are stuck in Stage 1 right now for no reason that I understand.

Sluggo

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I agree. Let's try opening up gradually and cautiously, with the public well-informed about what to do and what not to do. If hospitalizations start to spike, we can always go back to SIP.

We still need to increase the testing, though. I really feel like we're rudderless on this.

I feel like the public, generally, will accept direction, if it is given wisely, clearly and sensibly. At the Safeway I shop at, which spans a wide demographic, everybody is wearing a mask and nobody is complaining about it... because they understand and it makes sense.

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I honestly don't understand the comments on testing? In my North Bay County testing for Covid-19 and/or the antibodies in readily available for everyone. I was tested for the antibodies last week.

Is this not the case in other Bay Area Counties?

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There is more testing available now, for sure. "Enough" available? I don't know, probably not.

I'm not sure most people have gotten past the April mind-set of "it's too hard to get a test so I won't even try".

Seems like we should be testing wide swaths of the population, both for the virus and for antibodies.

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Addendum: The "six Bay Area counties" have published a set of benchmarks for the next phase of reopening and we have met (or are near) most all of then EXCEPT for testing, for which we aren't even close. (Test 200 people per 100,000 population per day). SF is actually close, but my county (Alameda) is not even close to being close.

If the testing is available and not being taken advantage of, our "leadership" needs to tell us that and tell us where to go. What we might have here is a failure to communicate.

Seems like the testing should be focused on people working around other people in "essential services". Pay Safeway employees $20 each time to get tested once a week. Pay people working in nursing homes $50 each time to get tested every other day.

Can we get more saliva tests and "shallow swab" tests? The "deep swab" is enough to deter me, if I'm thinking of MAYBE being tested or not.

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"Basically, you can't contract COVID-19 through touch aloneit does not get absorbed through your skinand in order to acquire coronavirus through touch, you'll have to touch something contaminated and then touch your face. That's what essentially renders gloves useless. "While gloves might seemingly create a barrier between your hands and infected surfaces, they do not prevent COVID-19 infection because you can still touch your face with your gloved hands," says Dr. Meyer."

Should You Wear Gloves to the Grocery Store During Coronavirus?


https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/should-you-wear-gloves-to-the-grocery-store

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Who the heck would touch their face with gloves on? That is kinda weird...

Anyway, the article just reinforced why I wear gloves when I plan on touching anything outside the house. I already knew all the points cited when removing gloves and practice them regularly. And lastly, we have a supply of gloves since they are readily available at Target.

Hey, when you are my age, you take every precaution and then some......

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bearister said:

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"Basically, you can't contract COVID-19 through touch alone it does not get absorbed through your skinand in order to acquire coronavirus through touch, you'll have to touch something contaminated and then touch your face. That's what essentially renders gloves useless. "While gloves might seemingly create a barrier between your hands and infected surfaces, they do not prevent COVID-19 infection because you can still touch your face with your gloved hands," says Dr. Meyer."

Should You Wear Gloves to the Grocery Store During Coronavirus?


https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/should-you-wear-gloves-to-the-grocery-store

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Who the heck would touch their face with gloves on? That is kinda weird........

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There is a very encouraging article in the Mercury News in which Scott expresses optimism about football this year. He says he has talked to the chancellors and presidents. Cal will have students on campus.
We will go to the Rose Bowl! We will go to the Rose Bowl! We will go to the Rose Bowl!

Newsom is what happens when a kid is made hall monitor for life.

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Newsom is what happens when a kid is made hall monitor for life.

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tRump is what happens when...

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Newsome has done a terrible job. $55 Bn in debt based on dubious science. Epidemiology is not a science. And I say this as a PhD scientist.

You have to be incredibly short sighted to think he's done a good job. Too bad we'll never have the control experiment: what happens if CA never shutdown. Based on the current epidemiologist projects basically nothing would've happened. In other words we blew $55bn for nothing.

By the way, Georgia opened up two weeks ago and there rates of Covid today are at a low.