UC To Phase Out SAT and ACT Tests.

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Yogi38
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SpartanBear20 said:

Thursday's print edition of the Daily Californian published a guest commentary by a student named Maria Richards that had been published online around a week earlier: UC, please keep SAT, ACT. Richards made a solid defense of standardized testing:

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...the UC system's decision was made in an outright disregard for the opinions of the UC Academic Senate's leadership assembly, consisting of the top professors from each UC campus, who voted unanimously in a 51-0 decision to keep the SAT/ACT.

The UC Academic Council's Standardized Testing Task Force conducted 18 months of research and analysis, producing a report in favor of keeping the SAT/ACT. A closer analysis reveals that eliminating the SAT/ACT will hinder the ability of colleges to predict applicants' future college success, rendering their admissions systems more prone to bias and subjectivity and more likely to adversely affect low-income applicants. This will disproportionately harm Black and Latinx applicants, who, according to a 2018 survey by the U.S. Census Bureau, on average, have lower incomes than whites and Asians do.

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Without the SAT/ACT, there would be no objective test that reveals a schools' inadequacies, let alone a common yardstick to measure student achievement, handing schools a free pass to inflate grades without getting caught. A 2018 study by Seth Gershenson, an associate professor at American University, shows that grade inflation is more prevalent in affluent schools than it is in low-income schools.

Parents of rich students tend to wield more influence over schools and use it to pressure schools to inflate grades. Wealthier students can take AP or IB courses in order to boost their GPAs, while those same courses are usually not offered at low-income schools.

Grades are subject to more manipulation, which skews the playing field in favor of those who have the means and connections to game the system. Wasn't eliminating the SAT/ACT supposed to level the playing field?

LOL. The SAT was not helping either of those ethnicities. Stop spending your money on standardized testing, admit them as best you can, and if there are holes that need addressing, invest in them when they get here instead of thinking of them merely as quotas to be met.

Grades should no more be a sole measure of a student's readiness for school than anything else. Everything needs to be measured in evaluating the whole person.
OdontoBear66
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Garou said:

SpartanBear20 said:

Thursday's print edition of the Daily Californian published a guest commentary by a student named Maria Richards that had been published online around a week earlier: UC, please keep SAT, ACT. Richards made a solid defense of standardized testing:

Quote:

...the UC system's decision was made in an outright disregard for the opinions of the UC Academic Senate's leadership assembly, consisting of the top professors from each UC campus, who voted unanimously in a 51-0 decision to keep the SAT/ACT.

The UC Academic Council's Standardized Testing Task Force conducted 18 months of research and analysis, producing a report in favor of keeping the SAT/ACT. A closer analysis reveals that eliminating the SAT/ACT will hinder the ability of colleges to predict applicants' future college success, rendering their admissions systems more prone to bias and subjectivity and more likely to adversely affect low-income applicants. This will disproportionately harm Black and Latinx applicants, who, according to a 2018 survey by the U.S. Census Bureau, on average, have lower incomes than whites and Asians do.

[...]

Without the SAT/ACT, there would be no objective test that reveals a schools' inadequacies, let alone a common yardstick to measure student achievement, handing schools a free pass to inflate grades without getting caught. A 2018 study by Seth Gershenson, an associate professor at American University, shows that grade inflation is more prevalent in affluent schools than it is in low-income schools.

Parents of rich students tend to wield more influence over schools and use it to pressure schools to inflate grades. Wealthier students can take AP or IB courses in order to boost their GPAs, while those same courses are usually not offered at low-income schools.

Grades are subject to more manipulation, which skews the playing field in favor of those who have the means and connections to game the system. Wasn't eliminating the SAT/ACT supposed to level the playing field?

LOL. The SAT was not helping either of those ethnicities. Stop spending your money on standardized testing, admit them as best you can, and if there are holes that need addressing, invest in them when they get here instead of thinking of them merely as quotas to be met.

Grades should no more be a sole measure of a student's readiness for school than anything else. Everything needs to be measured in evaluating the whole person.
That's why we have a Cal State system, and a Community College system so that most all "persons" can get an education. The UC system is and needs be a bit more selective. However to achieve that goal, let it be.
GBear4Life
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Cal State, even community colleges are "selective" to one degree or another. At Cal st you need a Cish average. At community college you need a HS diploma. You have to meet certain requisites to offer confidence that you aren't wasting the public system's time and money. University's do not want students it admits to fail or drop out to avoid failing, or to transfer because the program or material wasn't what they thought or was too hard.

Again there are going to be immensely competent students who will be rejected by a bunch of really good schools and also get accept to some really good schools and a bunch of good schools. The notion that as a society we should be motivated to ensure more minorities who are underrepresented at top universities -- and who will have many offers from several other good universities -- as a principle is on its face ridiculous. There's no good reaosn why we would want to intervene to manipulate such outcomes. They're not even desirable.
BearForce2
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/us/university-of-california-sat-act-trnd/index.html

University of California System can't use SAT and ACT tests for admissions, judge rules.

It seems we should judge a student applicant based on what really matters, the color of their skin.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
AunBear89
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You really have nothing of substance - just stupid memes and an abundance of straw man arguments.

Just keep making shyte up so you can continue to pretend to be outraged. When's your next murder porn post? Or are you waiting to refill your little blue pill prescription before you can get off on people dying.
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BearForce2 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/01/us/university-of-california-sat-act-trnd/index.html

University of California System can't use SAT and ACT tests for admissions, judge rules.

It seems we should judge a student applicant based on what really matters, the color of their skin.
There are a lot of selective schools that enroll somewhat "unqualified" students for various reasons. One is the walk on athletic preference route made famous in Varsity Blues. But even Harvard is full of medicare students who are connected. One in fact became President, JFK. At some point at least, private imitations probably should be free to let in who then want. If they put out an inferior graduate, they only hurt themselves.
BearForce2
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AunBear89 said:

You really have nothing of substance - just stupid memes and an abundance of straw man arguments.

Just keep making shyte up so you can continue to pretend to be outraged. When's your next murder porn post? Or are you waiting to refill your little blue pill prescription before you can get off on people dying.

https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97376/1
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
 
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