Poor Service from UPS

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oskidunker
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Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.
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Eastern Oregon Bear
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I don't know anything specific about the Richmond/San Pablo UPS facility. However, I ordered some stuff a couple weeks ago and the UPS tracking info went like this:

Expected arrival time: Friday June 12th

Label created: 2 PM Tuesday June 9th
9PM Tuesday June 9th: package sent to UPS Lost & Found

Then nothing through the next weekend. I finally called the seller on Monday and they immediately sent another package. This time I didn't even get a notification that UPS had picked it up from seller. The package arrived last Thursday and again, no notification that it had been delivered. Fortunately, I was home and found it before it had been out in the heat for too long.

Something's gone wrong at UPS. I don't know if it's staffing shortages due to COVID-19 or something else but there's a problem there.
oskidunker
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Probably overwhelmed. If this virus gets worse there could be major disruptions. For now, I am only using Fed X.

Also have had trouble with Citi Bank on line bill pay .Two incidents of them having to send a paper check to individuals , which has never been a problem before, never been received. From now on I am writing paper checks and mailing myself from the post office. Very discouraging
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dimitrig
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Interesting.

Here in SoCal all of my deliveries happen on time or even ahead of schedule whether it is USPS, UPS, FedEx, Amazon, or Other.

Once a had an item coming from Florida and it was anticipated to be delayed by weather in Texas and it still got here on time.






BearlyCareAnymore
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oskidunker said:

Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.


Whole Bay Area. It's been in the papers.
sp4149
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dimitrig said:


Interesting.

Here in SoCal all of my deliveries happen on time or even ahead of schedule whether it is USPS, UPS, FedEx, Amazon, or Other.

Once a had an item coming from Florida and it was anticipated to be delayed by weather in Texas and it still got here on time.







Down here in San Diego (not really part of SoCal) I live 2 miles from the Regional UPS center. They have been erratic for most of the 20 years I have lived here. Every year I suffer some loss or damage from sellers who insist on shipping UPS. So far the shipper has had to eat the losses as they can't get a settlement from UPS for damages. Lately tracking has become erratic as experienced by others in NorCal. Right now I have two shipments that have gone AWOL on UPS tracking after they departed the UPS Origin site (Ontario, CAL) a week ago. Same thing happened a week ago and a few weeks back. UPS has definitely been having it's tracking problems, their new feature that allows you to track their delivery van as it nears your location is not helping their reputation. I watched their fan wander through my neighborhood for three hours, finally it was across the street and I went down to the front door for my package and it wasn't there. Evidently their GPS dispatching is also a bit shaky. A few minutes later the driver came back down our cul de sac of 6 houses and finally found our house on the other side of the street after sitting, confused, on the other side of the street for ten minutes.

I suspect that UPS may not be totally at fault; some on line retailers, like Amazon, fulfill much of their orders thru drop ship suppliers who do the packaging and shipping for them. These third party shippers are entering the 'shipped' info onto the UPS computer, days before they actually deliver the package to UPS. UPS doesn't seem to care at the moment.


Overnight shipping UPS from Pasadena

but it got here a day early.


Bobodeluxe
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From the color, I assume that picture is of the Presidential car.
sp4149
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oskidunker said:

Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.
Unfortunately they still have the Costco contract for online specials.
Oski87
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We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
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Oski87 said:

We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
That is not it. It is a massive problem with every package. They are understaffed. The drivers can't deliver everything. In normal times the driver gets in trouble if they go back with packages still on the truck. Now, they go back, they have no means of going first in, first out. They just throw stuff back on the truck the next day. If the driver picks your package, you win the lottery. If not, it goes back. I have three small packages that they have been doing this too that are 1 - 2 weeks late. I've also gotten items, including one from the same retailer that shipped a week and a half after one I haven't gotten. They also just keep randomly selecting reasons it is not being delivered. Other day it was severe weather conditions.

The customers are upset. The drivers are upset. The union is upset. This is not a normal disruption. UPS is a cluster right now.
calbear93
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OaktownBear said:

Oski87 said:

We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
That is not it. It is a massive problem with every package. They are understaffed. The drivers can't deliver everything. In normal times the driver gets in trouble if they go back with packages still on the truck. Now, they go back, they have no means of going first in, first out. They just throw stuff back on the truck the next day. If the driver picks your package, you win the lottery. If not, it goes back. I have three small packages that they have been doing this too that are 1 - 2 weeks late. I've also gotten items, including one from the same retailer that shipped a week and a half after one I haven't gotten. They also just keep randomly selecting reasons it is not being delivered. Other day it was severe weather conditions.

The customers are upset. The drivers are upset. The union is upset. This is not a normal disruption. UPS is a cluster right now.


I am just writing it off to pandemic and protests. Hopefully this gets back to normal next year because we are going to be relying more and more on delivery service.
sp4149
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sp4149 said:

oskidunker said:

Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.
Unfortunately they still have the Costco contract for online specials.
I have three items ordered from Costco, currently wandering through the UPS tracking void.

Ten days ago, I ordered a knife set from Costco On line, (This is my third order from Costco of various knifes from the same high end supplier). However this last set has been on an interesting UPS journey to San Diego. It departed Ontario, CAL four days after UPs said it was shipped, and then dropped out of the UPS tracking system until today when the UPS system updated. Now I find that yesterday it arrived in Goodyear, AZ (near Phoenix), having overshot San Diego, it was returned last night to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County (much closer to San Diego County). Instead of sending it down I-15 to San Diego and the regional UPS center in Chula Vista, UPS instead sent it to Bell, Cal where it is now farther away than when it started nine days ago.

The San Diego UPS Regional Center in Chula Vista has in the past proven inept, but this time UPS hasn't been able to get it close enough to blame the Chula Vista location.
Is Bell, CA the safe haven for of wayward UPS shipments? UPS centers seem to take weekends off so it may be a few days before it departs for destinations unknown.
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calbear93 said:

OaktownBear said:

Oski87 said:

We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
That is not it. It is a massive problem with every package. They are understaffed. The drivers can't deliver everything. In normal times the driver gets in trouble if they go back with packages still on the truck. Now, they go back, they have no means of going first in, first out. They just throw stuff back on the truck the next day. If the driver picks your package, you win the lottery. If not, it goes back. I have three small packages that they have been doing this too that are 1 - 2 weeks late. I've also gotten items, including one from the same retailer that shipped a week and a half after one I haven't gotten. They also just keep randomly selecting reasons it is not being delivered. Other day it was severe weather conditions.

The customers are upset. The drivers are upset. The union is upset. This is not a normal disruption. UPS is a cluster right now.


I am just writing it off to pandemic and protests. Hopefully this gets back to normal next year because we are going to be relying more and more on delivery service.
We have been relying on package delivery service since March. Amazon Prime is taking some of the business in our area. Fedex and USPS are exhibiting few problems, even delivering packages early. Some shipments from China and Australia are now delayed but that may just be an effect of Trump's punitive actions with trading partners delaying Customs processing.

No, for UPS this is just the new normal; they chose this path to degrade service and ignore customers, no pandemic excuses just because we now depend more on package delivery that we notice failures that have building for a long time.
dimitrig
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OaktownBear said:

Oski87 said:

We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
That is not it. It is a massive problem with every package. They are understaffed. The drivers can't deliver everything. In normal times the driver gets in trouble if they go back with packages still on the truck. Now, they go back, they have no means of going first in, first out. They just throw stuff back on the truck the next day. If the driver picks your package, you win the lottery. If not, it goes back. I have three small packages that they have been doing this too that are 1 - 2 weeks late. I've also gotten items, including one from the same retailer that shipped a week and a half after one I haven't gotten. They also just keep randomly selecting reasons it is not being delivered. Other day it was severe weather conditions.

The customers are upset. The drivers are upset. The union is upset. This is not a normal disruption. UPS is a cluster right now.


I am really surprised to read these stories because UPS is doing fine for me. We have had the same driver for years and he will even leave items requiring signature on the porch. However, most things I buy online come from Amazon or via USPS so I don't have a lot of recent UPS experiences although I have had some and it has been fine.
BearlyCareAnymore
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sp4149 said:

calbear93 said:

OaktownBear said:

Oski87 said:

We have an extensive NextDoor thread in UPS in our neighborhood- apparently if it is a large heavy item they simply scan it on the truck, then take it off. That way it stays in the warehouse and does not get shipped back to the shipped. After 10 day they send it shipper. Apparently it takes too much room in the trucks and is not efficient enough to be delivered.

I have had something there for 7 days so I have changed it to be delivered to the local UPS store. Maybe that will arrive.
That is not it. It is a massive problem with every package. They are understaffed. The drivers can't deliver everything. In normal times the driver gets in trouble if they go back with packages still on the truck. Now, they go back, they have no means of going first in, first out. They just throw stuff back on the truck the next day. If the driver picks your package, you win the lottery. If not, it goes back. I have three small packages that they have been doing this too that are 1 - 2 weeks late. I've also gotten items, including one from the same retailer that shipped a week and a half after one I haven't gotten. They also just keep randomly selecting reasons it is not being delivered. Other day it was severe weather conditions.

The customers are upset. The drivers are upset. The union is upset. This is not a normal disruption. UPS is a cluster right now.


I am just writing it off to pandemic and protests. Hopefully this gets back to normal next year because we are going to be relying more and more on delivery service.
We have been relying on package delivery service since March. Amazon Prime is taking some of the business in our area. Fedex and USPS are exhibiting few problems, even delivering packages early. Some shipments from China and Australia are now delayed but that may just be an effect of Trump's punitive actions with trading partners delaying Customs processing.

No, for UPS this is just the new normal; they chose this path to degrade service and ignore customers, no pandemic excuses just because we now depend more on package delivery that we notice failures that have building for a long time.
Bingo. Every other fulfillment operation is doing okay. Maybe a little slower than pre-Covid in some cases, but doing fine. Amazon Prime isn't always 2 days now, but it is within a reasonable time period. UPS refused to invest in expanding to meet Covid needs, I guess hoping their name and longstanding would get them through. They were already doing really poorly, then the protests hit and it has been a complete disaster, at least in the east bay. They have no process for responding to a delayed delivery by prioritizing it for the next run. They are just lying to people at this point trying to punt as long as they can. One of the retailers I purchased through has been trying to help get my package delivered. The other day they contacted me telling me that UPS told them there is a problem delivering to my address so the retailer asked if I could provide another nearby address. This was the same day the UPS truck was parked right in front of my house.

All they need to do is pack the trucks to a reasonable capacity in the morning. If anything comes back in the evening, it goes first in line to be delivered the next day. I think most people would understand if their package is delayed a few days. What is going on is your package gets scanned in the morning when it goes on the truck. Then they tell you it will be delivered by 1:30. Truck drives around, you don't get your package. They say it will be delivered by 9:00. Nothing happens. It gets scanned back in the facility at like 10:00, they say it will be delivered the next day by 1:30. Day after day. If it stops getting scanned, you know they lost it and you are screwed. In the meantime, it may come tomorrow. Or it may come in 3 weeks. And all through this UPS is providing absolutely no communication with its customers or the communities it serves.

On one of the many neighborhood "UPS sucks" threads, someone took a picture of a letter they found in the street after the UPS truck went by that was from the union to the drivers. Basically it was excoriating UPS and the positions the drivers have been put in with customers abusing them (because it is extremely difficult to get a human from UPS on the phone) an impossible workload and describing all the ways UPS has dropped the ball.

I have shut off ordering from anyone that fulfills through UPS because you simply can't know if or when you will get it. I will probably make that permanent only ordering through a source that uses UPS shipping if I can't get the item any other way.
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oskidunker said:

Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.


Not your facility, but....

https://oaklandside.org/2020/06/30/ups-oakland-deliveries-delays-pandemic/
dimitrig
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okaydo said:

oskidunker said:

Many bad reviews on yelp for the Richmond/ San Pablo facility. My sister sent my mother a cake for her 96 th birthday. It sat there for a week, every day saying out for delivery then rescanned next day. She sent another one air express from Georgia. It got to the San Pablo facility in one day and after a week not delivered. Anyone know what the problem is?

I heard they lost the Amazon contract.


Not your facility, but....

https://oaklandside.org/2020/06/30/ups-oakland-deliveries-delays-pandemic/


So the question is... why Oakland? Did the Bay Area order more online than other places? That seems possible. The article did not really explain why it is a relatively localized issue.
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dimitrig said:



I am really surprised to read these stories because UPS is doing fine for me. We have had the same driver for years and he will even leave items requiring signature on the porch. However, most things I buy online come from Amazon or via USPS so I don't have a lot of recent UPS experiences although I have had some and it has been fine.

On the 19th I ordered a set of knives from Costco, they were drop shipped (UPS 2 day ground) from the factory warehouse in Chino. UPS accepted them and then sat on them for 7 days. On the seventh day UPS flew them to Goodyear, AZ. UPS AZ was not amuse and flew them to March Air Reserve Base, Riverside county within five hours. At least they were now half way to San Diego. UPS in Riverside must have decided it was a LA screwup and sent the knives back to UPS in Bell, CA where they sat from Friday night to Tuesday morning when they were sent by truck direct to the UPS regional center by my house where they were delivered yesterday afternoon. The delivery was combined with two other shipments that UPS was not tracking, because for one the label had been created but the package had not been accepted by the UPS origin center and the other one never had a label created and entered into the UPS tracking in any form.

FWIW Costco rejects automatically any claims about poor shipping, (I tried and was rebuked) and UPS Customer Service is now mythical, nobody home. For me the real problem is that Costco doesn't tell you who the preferred shipper is for a particular item. Only after you buy will you receive the dreaded Unacceptable Parcel Service label.
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sp4149 said:

dimitrig said:



I am really surprised to read these stories because UPS is doing fine for me. We have had the same driver for years and he will even leave items requiring signature on the porch. However, most things I buy online come from Amazon or via USPS so I don't have a lot of recent UPS experiences although I have had some and it has been fine.

On the 19th I ordered a set of knives from Costco, they were drop shipped (UPS 2 day ground) from the factory warehouse in Chino. UPS accepted them and then sat on them for 7 days. On the seventh day UPS flew them to Goodyear, AZ. UPS AZ was not amuse and flew them to March Air Reserve Base, Riverside county within five hours. At least they were now half way to San Diego. UPS in Riverside must have decided it was a LA screwup and sent the knives back to UPS in Bell, CA where they sat from Friday night to Tuesday morning when they were sent by truck direct to the UPS regional center by my house where they were delivered yesterday afternoon. The delivery was combined with two other shipments that UPS was not tracking, because for one the label had been created but the package had not been accepted by the UPS origin center and the other one never had a label created and entered into the UPS tracking in any form.

FWIW Costco rejects automatically any claims about poor shipping, (I tried and was rebuked) and UPS Customer Service is now mythical, nobody home. For me the real problem is that Costco doesn't tell you who the preferred shipper is for a particular item. Only after you buy will you receive the dreaded Unacceptable Parcel Service label.

I ordered some shampoo on Saturday June 27th from an Amazon reseller. It shipped from Miami, Florida on June 30th (yesterday) at 5:46pm via UPS through Dallas, Texas and I already have it today.

So whatever problems UPS is having are obviously not pervasive throughout their entire operation.

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