White House aware of Russian bounties in 2019
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The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
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He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
I wonder if former U.S. Navy Seal Dan Barkhuff (what a name) cares about the Lincoln Project taking everybody's donations and paying the consultants.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
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Is this supposed to be controversial? The people who are doing the work are getting paid?Not Me - Us said:I wonder if former U.S. Navy Seal Dan Barkhuff (what a name) cares about the Lincoln Project taking everybody's donations and paying the consultants.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
hell no. partisan grab from last month's NYT..dajo9 said:
Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.
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Other Democratic groups around the nation are also seeking leverage with the military vote. "We believe that Trump's support within the military, with military families and with veterans, is soft and receding," said Jon Soltz, a founder of VoteVets, which has been increasingly successful in electing Democratic veterans. "Our plan for the fall is simple: We're putting together the most comprehensive data-driven veteran and military family get-out-the-vote operation the Democratic Party has ever seen, and we will deploy it to ensure Donald Trump is a one-term president."
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The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
I have a buddy that was a combat Marine in Vietnam. He is arch Conservative and voted for tRump in 2016. He now has a pathological hatred for tRump. My guess is he won't vote.
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Aren't we being a little hard on the President this year? It seems like some people are dinging him for every single terrible, hideous thing he does!
Alas, if it was only a single terrible, hideous thing.Big C said:
Aren't we being a little hard on the President this year? It seems like some people are dinging him for every single terrible, hideous thing he does!
And what swift and consequential action would you recommend. Stop evading the question.BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
So your great solution for Taliban soldiers, who are already motivated to kill U.S. soldiers who are in Afghanistan (unwanted by their people), is to meet violence with more violence, kill Russian targets, incite a response from the Russians, and then keep trying to one up each other?BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Here's a better idea.
Bring your soldiers home and stop throwing money into the money pit.
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BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
You aren't being reasonable. Some of these briefings are a page long or even longer and with very few pictures! You can't expect Trump to slog through that. He's the President not a technocrat.
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You aren't being reasonable. Some of these briefings are a page long or even longer and with very few pictures! You can't expect Trump to slog through that. He's the President not a technocrat.
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BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
My prediction: exit polls show veterans support Trump over Biden in November.
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Maybe but that support will be affected by Captain Catastrophe's cowardice in this instance.dajo9 said:BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
My prediction: exit polls show veterans support Trump over Biden in November.
I love how you keep dodging the whole "Maybe we shouldn't have troops there at all" point.BearNIt said:Maybe but that support will be affected by Captain Catastrophe's cowardice in this instance.dajo9 said:BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
My prediction: exit polls show veterans support Trump over Biden in November.
there's an idea there somewhere.Garou said:
> I love how you keep dodging the whole "Maybe we shouldn't have troops there at all" point.
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If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend? Sometimes you have to kick the **** out of a bully early before he gets totally out of hand. The only other thing that I would do is to hit Putin financially put the squeeze on him personally. The perception of the U.S. as standing up to Puty could go a long way in preventing future conflicts abroad. I do not take war lightly as I come from a family that served in the military for generations and has made the ultimate sacrifice in this conflict.Garou said:So your great solution for Taliban soldiers, who are already motivated to kill U.S. soldiers who are in Afghanistan (unwanted by their people), is to meet violence with more violence, kill Russian targets, incite a response from the Russians, and then keep trying to one up each other?BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Here's a better idea.
Bring your soldiers home and stop throwing money into the money pit.
So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.BearNIt said:If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?Garou said:So your great solution for Taliban soldiers, who are already motivated to kill U.S. soldiers who are in Afghanistan (unwanted by their people), is to meet violence with more violence, kill Russian targets, incite a response from the Russians, and then keep trying to one up each other?BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Here's a better idea.
Bring your soldiers home and stop throwing money into the money pit.
Got it.
How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.Garou said:So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.BearNIt said:If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?Garou said:So your great solution for Taliban soldiers, who are already motivated to kill U.S. soldiers who are in Afghanistan (unwanted by their people), is to meet violence with more violence, kill Russian targets, incite a response from the Russians, and then keep trying to one up each other?BearNIt said:The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.Roxie Richter said:And what response would you have liked?BearNIt said:Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.dajo9 said:Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.BearNIt said:He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.bearister said:
The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter
Here's a better idea.
Bring your soldiers home and stop throwing money into the money pit.
Got it.
How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.
I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.
We shouldn't have soldiers in the middle east anymore. Bring them home.
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Good thinking Lincolndajo9 said:
We shouldn't have soldiers in the middle east anymore. Bring them home.
All the blood and sacrifice was never for anything.BearNIt said:If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.Garou said:So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.BearNIt said:
If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?
Got it.
How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.
I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.
But since you think it's so important, I nominate you to go over there and show those Russkies a thing or two. Let's see you get some personal skin in the game.
" Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night."
A war not worth fighting and dying for by every citizen is a war not worth fighting and dying for (or getting physically or psychologically maimed for the rest of your life). Dick Cheney showed his agreement with this principle when he secured 5 deferments during the Vietnam War, as did Bush the Elder when he got Dubya into the Texas Air National Guard. No way Cheney or Dubya would have been willing to fight themselves or have their family members fight for WHATEVER THE F@UCK WE WERE FIGHTING FOR IN THE CRUSADES REDUX.
A war not worth fighting and dying for by every citizen is a war not worth fighting and dying for (or getting physically or psychologically maimed for the rest of your life). Dick Cheney showed his agreement with this principle when he secured 5 deferments during the Vietnam War, as did Bush the Elder when he got Dubya into the Texas Air National Guard. No way Cheney or Dubya would have been willing to fight themselves or have their family members fight for WHATEVER THE F@UCK WE WERE FIGHTING FOR IN THE CRUSADES REDUX.
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If I were still of the age that the military would accept me and was called upon, I would serve my country that's why I registered for the draft and would not have taken a deferment. One of my biggest regrets is that I did not serve as my brother, 6 uncles, and my father did after finishing college. As far as personal skin in the game having lost an immediate family member and trying to console a sibling and their spouse is one of the most difficult things I have personally done. I have spent time with a few soldiers back from conflict zones and have attempted to mentor them to make sure that they are taking advantage of what the military has to offer in terms of education, their military careers, and later in their civilian lives. Those that are still in the military keep in touch while still in those conflict zones.Garou said:All the blood and sacrifice was never for anything.BearNIt said:If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.Garou said:So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.BearNIt said:
If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?
Got it.
How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.
I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.
But since you think it's so important, I nominate you to go over there and show those Russkies a thing or two. Let's see you get some personal skin in the game.
How about you, what have you done or are willing to do? Would you serve if called upon? If more people served there might be less war.
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