Anarchistbear said:

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BearNIt said:

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Garou said:

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BearNIt said:

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Roxie Richter said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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BearNIt said:

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bearister said:

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The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter

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He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.

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Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.

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Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.

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And what response would you have liked?

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The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.

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So your great solution for Taliban soldiers, who are already motivated to kill U.S. soldiers who are in Afghanistan (unwanted by their people), is to meet violence with more violence, kill Russian targets, incite a response from the Russians, and then keep trying to one up each other?

Here's a better idea.

Bring your soldiers home and stop throwing money into the money pit.

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If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend? Sometimes you have to kick the **** out of a bully early before he gets totally out of hand. The only other thing that I would do is to hit Putin financially put the squeeze on him personally. The perception of the U.S. as standing up to Puty could go a long way in preventing future conflicts abroad. I do not take war lightly as I come from a family that served in the military for generations and has made the ultimate sacrifice in this conflict.

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The Domino Theory! Stop them in Kabul before they get to Cleveland. Welcome to 1964 and Vietnam, though it wasn't true then and has no relevance at all to this.

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bearister said:

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Esper blows tRump. No faith in DOD PR releases.

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Esper blows tRump. No faith in DOD PR releases.

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LMAO, right a discerning person like you puts his faith in that well known impartial organization, the CIA, that invented WMD's to start the Iraq war and leaked it to the NYT

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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smh said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Esper blows tRump. No faith in DOD PR releases.

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LMAO, right a discerning person like you puts his faith in that well known impartial organization, the CIA, that invented WMD's to start the Iraq war and leaked it to the NYT

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^ at undead zombie vp dick cheney's direction

major major spoilers below, in which the part of cheney is played by BigOh, about 40 seconds in progress..

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blungld said:

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.. He can do all of this while claiming that the people who are attempting to stand up to oppression; and protect the nation from international embarrassment; protect Americans; safeguard the nation against corruption; and keep with our ideals of justice and equality are the ones who hate America when it is, in fact, that they simply hate what he has DONE to America.

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BearNIt said:

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Garou said:

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BearNIt said:

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Garou said:

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BearNIt said:

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If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?

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So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.

Got it.

How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?

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If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.

On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.

I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.

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All the blood and sacrifice was never for anything.

But since you think it's so important, I nominate you to go over there and show those Russkies a thing or two. Let's see you get some personal skin in the game.

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If I were still of the age that the military would accept me and was called upon, I would serve my country that's why I registered for the draft and would not have taken a deferment. One of my biggest regrets is that I did not serve as my brother, 6 uncles, and my father did after finishing college. As far as personal skin in the game having lost an immediate family member and trying to console a sibling and their spouse is one of the most difficult things I have personally done. I have spent time with a few soldiers back from conflict zones and have attempted to mentor them to make sure that they are taking advantage of what the military has to offer in terms of education, their military careers, and later in their civilian lives. Those that are still in the military keep in touch while still in those conflict zones.

How about you, what have you done or are willing to do? Would you serve if called upon? If more people served there might be less war.

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Anarchistbear said:

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bearister said:

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Esper blows tRump. No faith in DOD PR releases.

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LMAO, right a discerning person like you puts his faith in that well known impartial organization, the CIA, that invented WMD's to start the Iraq war and leaked it to the NYT

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AunBear89 said:

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smh said:

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blungld said:

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.. He can do all of this while claiming that the people who are attempting to stand up to oppression; and protect the nation from international embarrassment; protect Americans; safeguard the nation against corruption; and keep with our ideals of justice and equality are the ones who hate America when it is, in fact, that they simply hate what he has DONE to America.

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what a guy, sniff..

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I love that the simpletons who are the rank and file GOP voters fall for that flag hugging cr@p. It serves as the best reminder what a morally bankrupt party the RepubliCONs have become, and how utterly stupid the GOP voter is.

"Look, mother! He's huggin' the Flag! What a great Amurican he is! God must of sent him! Praise the lord and get me another Nattie Lite!"

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blungld said:

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AunBear89 said:

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smh said:

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blungld said:

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.. He can do all of this while claiming that the people who are attempting to stand up to oppression; and protect the nation from international embarrassment; protect Americans; safeguard the nation against corruption; and keep with our ideals of justice and equality are the ones who hate America when it is, in fact, that they simply hate what he has DONE to America.

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what a guy, sniff.. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190303135723-trump-cpac-0302-exlarge-169.jpg

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I love that the simpletons who are the rank and file GOP voters fall for that flag hugging cr@p. It serves as the best reminder what a morally bankrupt party the RepubliCONs have become, and how utterly stupid the GOP voter is.

"Look, mother! He's huggin' the Flag! What a great Amurican he is! God must of sent him! Praise the lord and get me another Nattie Lite!"

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If Trump held a greased crucifix etched with the American flag they would bend over to receive and say that this was God's patriotic plan.

The base is all symbol and no substance.

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dajo9 said:

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In my lifetime the military has fought for my freedoms for about a month in Tora Bora Afghanistan in 2001.

And a special ops crew one night in 2011.

I appreciate the hell out of that.

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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calbear93 said:

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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Hasn't Trump in a lot of ways adopted some of the historical liberal policies and tendencies?

Reducing immigration and raising tariffs to protect US workers - typically a left platform targeting the blue collar audience. Republicans seem to historically want free trade and robust legal immigrations for economic reasons and support of corporations.

Distrusting CIA, FBI and law enforcement - typically a left position. Republicans usually are strong supporters of law and order and law enforcement.

Getting friendly with Russia - it has typically been Republicans who have vilified Russia and communism. Some of our liberal politicians even spent their honeymoon in Russia.

Disengaging militarily and reducing our military presence - Trump threatening the strength of NATO, pulling our soldiers home from the Middle East, and generally being isolationist seems a far cry from how Republicans have been.

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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Hasn't Trump in a lot of ways adopted some of the historical liberal policies and tendencies?

Reducing immigration and raising tariffs to protect US workers - typically a left platform targeting the blue collar audience. Republicans seem to historically want free trade and robust legal immigrations for economic reasons and support of corporations.

Distrusting CIA, FBI and law enforcement - typically a left position. Republicans usually are strong supporters of law and order and law enforcement.

Getting friendly with Russia - it has typically been Republicans who have vilified Russia and communism. Some of our liberal politicians even spent their honeymoon in Russia.

Disengaging militarily and reducing our military presence - Trump threatening the strength of NATO, pulling our soldiers home from the Middle East, and generally being isolationist seems a far cry from how Republicans have been.

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This is a very obtuse post

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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Hasn't Trump in a lot of ways adopted some of the historical liberal policies and tendencies?

Reducing immigration and raising tariffs to protect US workers - typically a left platform targeting the blue collar audience. Republicans seem to historically want free trade and robust legal immigrations for economic reasons and support of corporations.

Distrusting CIA, FBI and law enforcement - typically a left position. Republicans usually are strong supporters of law and order and law enforcement.

Getting friendly with Russia - it has typically been Republicans who have vilified Russia and communism. Some of our liberal politicians even spent their honeymoon in Russia.

Disengaging militarily and reducing our military presence - Trump threatening the strength of NATO, pulling our soldiers home from the Middle East, and generally being isolationist seems a far cry from how Republicans have been.

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This is a very obtuse post

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calpoly said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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Hasn't Trump in a lot of ways adopted some of the historical liberal policies and tendencies?

Reducing immigration and raising tariffs to protect US workers - typically a left platform targeting the blue collar audience. Republicans seem to historically want free trade and robust legal immigrations for economic reasons and support of corporations.

Distrusting CIA, FBI and law enforcement - typically a left position. Republicans usually are strong supporters of law and order and law enforcement.

Getting friendly with Russia - it has typically been Republicans who have vilified Russia and communism. Some of our liberal politicians even spent their honeymoon in Russia.

Disengaging militarily and reducing our military presence - Trump threatening the strength of NATO, pulling our soldiers home from the Middle East, and generally being isolationist seems a far cry from how Republicans have been.

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This is a very obtuse post

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What did you expect from Cal93? Reducing our military presence by tRump is a gift to Putin and his plan for old soviet expansion.

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calpoly said:

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https://apnews.com/425e43fa0ffdd6e126c5171653ec47d1

But Putin is tRumps penpal. How could this be?

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GoOskie said:

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Where's Comrade Bearfarce's meme stream when you need one? It'll help make the story go away.

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dajo9 said:

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Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.

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BearNIt said:

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Roxie Richter said:

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BearNIt said:

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dajo9 said:

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BearNIt said:

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bearister said:

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The Lincoln Project on Twitter: "Former U.S Navy Seal Dr. Dan Barkhuff wants to know if @realDonaldTrump is a coward who can't stand up to Putin or if he's complicit. Well, Donald, which is it? https://t.co/rZUsgSpDv2" / Twitter

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He's both. The families of every soldier lost during this period and every soldier with boots on the ground should be horrified and pissed that the "Commander In Chief" did jack **** to protect those that fight and protect those of us at home.

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Yes, but veterans overall will likely vote for Trump again in November. This is the leadership veterans asked for.

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Veterans will usually vote for conservative leadership but when a leader allows Russia to place bounties on the heads of soldiers putting their family members in grave danger by not responding to a $100,000.00 bounties, they will be pissed. Inaction by a Commander in Chief is what veterans and millitary families will find to be unconscionable.

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And what response would you have liked?

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The first thing is to have Captain Catastrophe actually read the daily briefings so he knows what the hell is going on in a country where there is a significant U.S. military presence. Next, I would let Russia know in no uncertain terms that bounties on U.S. servicemen and servicewomen are off-limits that any deaths attributed to Russian bounties will be met with swift and consequential action. That's what a Commander in Chief does when he is the kind of leader that the troops can count on. If U.S. servicemen are killed then a list of Russian targets that would elicit the same number of deaths that have been caused by the bounties would be presented and then choose the best target. Finally, I would hit the specific Taliban structure responsible for the deaths and rain hot **** on them so they never think about Russian bounties again and this includes arresting those individuals who are directly responsible for the American deaths. I think that about covers it.

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dajo9 said:

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We shouldn't have soldiers in the middle east anymore. Bring them home.

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AunBear89 said:

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smh said:

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blungld said:

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.. He can do all of this while claiming that the people who are attempting to stand up to oppression; and protect the nation from international embarrassment; protect Americans; safeguard the nation against corruption; and keep with our ideals of justice and equality are the ones who hate America when it is, in fact, that they simply hate what he has DONE to America.

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what a guy, sniff..

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I love that the simpletons who are the rank and file GOP voters fall for that flag hugging cr@p. It serves as the best reminder what a morally bankrupt party the RepubliCONs have become, and how utterly stupid the GOP voter is.

"Look, mother! He's huggin' the Flag! What a great Amurican he is! God must of sent him! Praise the lord and get me another Nattie Lite!"

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calbear93 said:

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bearister said:

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tRump hates the CIA and the FBI. That's all I need to know.*


*Yes, Cheney got Tenet to cook the intelligence reports to provide the pretext for invasion and then shut him up with a Medal of Freedom. tRump couldn't get the CIA to rubber stamp his actions.

Why Is There Such A Bad Relationship Between Trump And The CIA? : NPR


https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured

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Hasn't Trump in a lot of ways adopted some of the historical liberal policies and tendencies?

Reducing immigration and raising tariffs to protect US workers - typically a left platform targeting the blue collar audience. Republicans seem to historically want free trade and robust legal immigrations for economic reasons and support of corporations.

Distrusting CIA, FBI and law enforcement - typically a left position. Republicans usually are strong supporters of law and order and law enforcement.

Getting friendly with Russia - it has typically been Republicans who have vilified Russia and communism. Some of our liberal politicians even spent their honeymoon in Russia.

Disengaging militarily and reducing our military presence - Trump threatening the strength of NATO, pulling our soldiers home from the Middle East, and generally being isolationist seems a far cry from how Republicans have been.

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calpoly said:

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What did you expect from Cal93? Reducing our military presence by tRump is a gift to Putin and his plan for old soviet expansion.

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blungld said:

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Trump's treatise on hatred of America.

He can hate over 50% of Americans who are not Republican and/or do not support him, but he still loves America.

He can suppress basic Constitutional rights like freedom of press and to assemble, but love America.

He can ridicule thought leaders, experts, and other bests the country has to offer, but still love America.

He can abuse his office and profiteer from public service, but still love America.

He can dodge military service and fail to protect those who do, but still love America.

He can side with American enemies over national intelligence, but still love America.

He can run the country entirely on the basis of ego strokes, retention of power, and in service of his cronies over the American people who elected him, but still love America.

He can literally ignore the greatest public health crisis in a hundred years and directly be responsible for the death of Americans, but still love America.

He can do all of this while claiming that the people who are attempting to stand up to oppression; and protect the nation from international embarrassment; protect Americans; safeguard the nation against corruption; and keep with our ideals of justice and equality are the ones who hate America when it is, in fact, that they simply hate what he has DONE to America.

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