Congratulations on a very successful Democratic Convention

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BearForce2 said:

AunBear89 said:

Honest question: did you actually watch it? Or are you just parroting what your Facebook feed and Hannity are telling you to say?

Michelle Obama's speech:
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They see people shouting in grocery stores, unwilling to wear a mask to keep us all safe. They see people calling the police on folks minding their own business just because of the color of their skin
No mention of the protests, rioting, looting, destruction of businesses, and the murders of law enforcement personnel.
And Chicago is her home town.
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
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Matthew Patel said:

CNN to be fact-checking Republican Convention after not fact-checking Democratic Convention.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Fact checking the final night of the Democratic National Convention - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/21/politics/democratic-national-convention-biden-fact-check/index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/21/politics/democratic-national-convention-biden-fact-check/index.html

Fact-checking first two nights of Democratic convention - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics/fact-check-dnc-democratic-convention-night-1-night-2/index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/19/politics/fact-check-dnc-democratic-convention-night-1-night-2/index.html

Fact-checking the 2020 Democratic Convention - CNN Video


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/08/21/dnc-2020-fact-check-biden-obama-cuomo-kerry-orig-vf.cnn
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2020/08/21/dnc-2020-fact-check-biden-obama-cuomo-kerry-orig-vf.cnn
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.
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wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
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sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
sycasey
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
sycasey
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
sycasey
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
sycasey
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

wifeisafurd said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Clearly you haven't been watching the polls.

I think this way because I've been watching them.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/
Yogi majors in snarky assertions because he can't put together actual thoughts. Polls have been fairly consistent for some time.

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.
That's quite a claim to make:

Did Krystal Ball convince me of this?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it because WIAF voted for Trump and usually votes Republican?

Was it me whose opinion was informed by Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist for the Washington Post?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785349

Or was it dajo9?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785350

Maybe dajo9 is a Never Trump Republican who just believes what Jennifer Rubin tells him to believe while pretending to be a liberal so you guys will like him, since he depends on her opinion column to help support his position and then calls me a Trump voter when he can't.

Since you guys can't refute the logic of my arguments, you have to resort to accusing me of voting for people I'm not voting for or not being able to form my own opinions because to actively defend your stances on the merits is something that is beyond your limited capacities.

Might one of their shows make me aware of a news item I didn't previously see? Sure. But I prefer to read my news, not watch it. I get my information from a lot of different sources. If it's opinion-based, I can digest it and see I agree with it. If the opinion is well-supported with factual evidence, I'm more inclined to agree with it. If it's just pure prognostication, then either I agree or I don't.



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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.
That's quite a claim to make:

Did Krystal Ball convince me of this?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it because WIAF voted for Trump and usually votes Republican?

Was it me whose opinion was informed by Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist for the Washington Post?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it dajo9?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785350

Maybe dajo9 is a Never Trump Republican who just believes what Jennifer Rubin tells him to believe while pretending to be a liberal so you guys will like him, since he depends on her opinion column to help support his position and then calls me a Trump voter when he can't.

Since you guys can't refute the logic of my arguments, you have to resort to accusing me of voting for people I'm not voting for or not being able to form my own opinions because to actively defend your stances on the merits is something that is beyond your limited capacities.

Might one of their shows make me aware of a news item I didn't previously see? Sure. But I prefer to read my news, not watch it. I get my information from a lot of different sources. If it's opinion-based, I can digest it and see I agree with it. If the opinion is well-supported with factual evidence, I'm more inclined to agree with it. If it's just pure prognostication, then either I agree or I don't.




Yogi you need to move past jumping on people simply because they may change positions or agree with someone else. Both Unit 2 and Casey have changed my mind on issues by putting together good arguments and/or providing good factual data. You might try using substance in your posts to persuade people, rather than pointing out that someone said or did something years ago as your sole commentary. At some point you need to demonstrate a mature thought process if you want people to listen to you.
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" At some point you need to demonstrate a mature thought process if you want people to listen to you."

sycasey
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Matthew Patel said:

That's quite a claim to make:

Well, this post was quite a mouthful so I wanted to take time before responding. First of all, the thrust of your argument seems to ignore what I actually said. It almost seems like you had this all written out in your head to respond to the argument you HOPED I would make rather than the one I actually made. I didn't say that every single one of your opinions comes from Ball's show (in fact my previous post specifically says that I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of what you heard there). I said that the show seems to be a major driver of the subjects you post about here. So just finding isolated examples of opinions you hold that are not from the show doesn't really refute my argument. I already acknowledged that you might have some.

Even so, let's get in to your examples.

Matthew Patel said:

Did Krystal Ball convince me of this?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it because WIAF voted for Trump and usually votes Republican?

Was it me whose opinion was informed by Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist for the Washington Post?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Okay, so you linked the same post twice here and I'm not sure why. This is a post where you are saying wifeisafurd is a Republican. I guess you're right that this opinion did not come from Krystal Ball's show, because the hosts of that show probably don't know who WIAF is. Once again, I did not claim that every one of your thoughts comes straight from that show.

Matthew Patel said:

Or was it dajo9?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785350

Maybe dajo9 is a Never Trump Republican who just believes what Jennifer Rubin tells him to believe while pretending to be a liberal so you guys will like him, since he depends on her opinion column to help support his position and then calls me a Trump voter when he can't.

Here it seems like you are attacking dajo for continuing to push the "Russiagate" theory and, more broadly, Democrats accepting help from "Never Trump" Republicans like Rubin. This is definitely a narrative that Rising has pushed quite a lot over the last few years.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-msnbc-host-krystal-ball-msnbcs-russia-conspiracies-have-done-immeasurable-harm-to-the-left

This video was posted on the same day you made the above anti-Russiagate argument (to be clear: this segment is not about "Russiagate" but rather is comparing it to the current controversy over the Post Office):



The show has also been highly critical of Never Trump Republicans, so it seems like you're following both narratives pretty well here.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/462398-krystal-ball-rips-into-never-trump-republicans

If this was supposed to convince me that you're not getting a lot of your opinions and content from Krystal Ball's show, you didn't do a very good job. If other posters get their narratives from someone else, so what? I'm talking about where yours come from.

Matthew Patel said:

Since you guys can't refute the logic of my arguments, you have to resort to accusing me of voting for people I'm not voting for or not being able to form my own opinions because to actively defend your stances on the merits is something that is beyond your limited capacities.

Dude, I already refuted the logic of your bad polling arguments above. Get out of here with this B.S. that I never engage with your substance. I have since moved on from that to speculate about what is driving your political orientation here. It does seem to me that Rising with Krystal and Saagar is a major influence for you.

I will also note the irony here that you are upset when people make assumptions about your voting patterns based on scant evidence when you did the same about dajo9 above. But to be clear: I never accused you of voting for Trump. I did say in some threads that your arguments were starting to become indistinguishable from those of the Trump supporters, but as far as I know you are still planning on voting for neither Trump nor Biden. I know some other people here have said you are a Trump supporter, but not me.

Matthew Patel said:

Might one of their shows make me aware of a news item I didn't previously see? Sure. But I prefer to read my news, not watch it. I get my information from a lot of different sources. If it's opinion-based, I can digest it and see I agree with it. If the opinion is well-supported with factual evidence, I'm more inclined to agree with it. If it's just pure prognostication, then either I agree or I don't.

I'm sure you do a lot of this. It seems like the root of what you follow up on and the slant you take on it is very much in line with what Krystal Ball's show presents. That doesn't mean they're always wrong! For example, in the video I posted above I think Saagar makes some good points about how the Post Office controversy blew up on Twitter and how that wasn't always in line with the facts of the case. I also think you're taking many of the slants of this show as gospel. For example, in that same clip, Krystal and Saagar kind of blithely opine that Obama should have fixed the Post Office's issues during his time in office. When? During the limited months Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate (before Ted Kennedy died)? When he was busy trying to deal with a major financial crisis and also pass health-care reform? Once Republicans were able to filibuster everything, and especially when they won back the House in the midterms, how were Obama and the Democrats supposed to fix the Post Office? I guess it wasn't a priority, but should it have been at the time?

In that way this show is a lot like Fox News opinion shows, just coming from a different angle: the hosts will ignore facts that are inconvenient and trumpet ones that further their anti-establishment narrative. Sort of like you did with your analysis of Biden's polling above.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

That's quite a claim to make:

Well, this post was quite a mouthful so I wanted to take time before responding. First of all, the thrust of your argument seems to ignore what I actually said. It almost seems like you had this all written out in your head to respond to the argument you HOPED I would make rather than the one I actually made. I didn't say that every single one of your opinions comes from Ball's show (in fact my previous post specifically says that I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of what you heard there). I said that the show seems to be a major driver of the subjects you post about here. So just finding isolated examples of opinions you hold that are not from the show doesn't really refute my argument. I already acknowledged that you might have some.

Even so, let's get in to your examples.

Matthew Patel said:

Did Krystal Ball convince me of this?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it because WIAF voted for Trump and usually votes Republican?

Was it me whose opinion was informed by Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist for the Washington Post?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Okay, so you linked the same post twice here and I'm not sure why. This is a post where you are saying wifeisafurd is a Republican. I guess you're right that this opinion did not come from Krystal Ball's show, because the hosts of that show probably don't know who WIAF is. Once again, I did not claim that every one of your thoughts comes straight from that show.

Matthew Patel said:

Or was it dajo9?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785350

Maybe dajo9 is a Never Trump Republican who just believes what Jennifer Rubin tells him to believe while pretending to be a liberal so you guys will like him, since he depends on her opinion column to help support his position and then calls me a Trump voter when he can't.

Here it seems like you are attacking dajo for continuing to push the "Russiagate" theory and, more broadly, Democrats accepting help from "Never Trump" Republicans like Rubin. This is definitely a narrative that Rising has pushed quite a lot over the last few years.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-msnbc-host-krystal-ball-msnbcs-russia-conspiracies-have-done-immeasurable-harm-to-the-left

This video was posted on the same day you made the above anti-Russiagate argument (to be clear: this segment is not about "Russiagate" but rather is comparing it to the current controversy over the Post Office):



The show has also been highly critical of Never Trump Republicans, so it seems like you're following both narratives pretty well here.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/462398-krystal-ball-rips-into-never-trump-republicans

If this was supposed to convince me that you're not getting a lot of your opinions and content from Krystal Ball's show, you didn't do a very good job. If other posters get their narratives from someone else, so what? I'm talking about where yours come from.

Matthew Patel said:

Since you guys can't refute the logic of my arguments, you have to resort to accusing me of voting for people I'm not voting for or not being able to form my own opinions because to actively defend your stances on the merits is something that is beyond your limited capacities.

Dude, I already refuted the logic of your bad polling arguments above. Get out of here with this B.S. that I never engage with your substance. I have since moved on from that to speculate about what is driving your political orientation here. It does seem to me that Rising with Krystal and Saagar is a major influence for you.

I will also note the irony here that you are upset when people make assumptions about your voting patterns based on scant evidence when you did the same about dajo9 above. But to be clear: I never accused you of voting for Trump. I did say in some threads that your arguments were starting to become indistinguishable from those of the Trump supporters, but as far as I know you are still planning on voting for neither Trump nor Biden. I know some other people here have said you are a Trump supporter, but not me.

Matthew Patel said:

Might one of their shows make me aware of a news item I didn't previously see? Sure. But I prefer to read my news, not watch it. I get my information from a lot of different sources. If it's opinion-based, I can digest it and see I agree with it. If the opinion is well-supported with factual evidence, I'm more inclined to agree with it. If it's just pure prognostication, then either I agree or I don't.

I'm sure you do a lot of this. It seems like the root of what you follow up on and the slant you take on it is very much in line with what Krystal Ball's show presents. That doesn't mean they're always wrong! For example, in the video I posted above I think Saagar makes some good points about how the Post Office controversy blew up on Twitter and how that wasn't always in line with the facts of the case. I also think you're taking many of the slants of this show as gospel. For example, in that same clip, Krystal and Saagar kind of blithely opine that Obama should have fixed the Post Office's issues during his time in office. When? During the limited months Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate (before Ted Kennedy died)? When he was busy trying to deal with a major financial crisis and also pass health-care reform? Once Republicans were able to filibuster everything, and especially when they won back the House in the midterms, how were Obama and the Democrats supposed to fix the Post Office? I guess it wasn't a priority, but should it have been at the time?

In that way this show is a lot like Fox News opinion shows, just coming from a different angle: the hosts will ignore facts that are inconvenient and trumpet ones that further their anti-establishment narrative. Sort of like you did with your analysis of Biden's polling above.
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He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.
That's quite a claim to make
Your response to that is:

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I'm sure you do a lot of this. It seems like the root of what you follow up on and the slant you take on it is very much in line with what Krystal Ball's show presents. That doesn't mean they're always wrong! For example, in the video I posted above I think Saagar makes some good points about how the Post Office controversy blew up on Twitter and how that wasn't always in line with the facts of the case. I also think you're taking many of the slants of this show as gospel. For example, in that same clip, Krystal and Saagar kind of blithely opine that Obama should have fixed the Post Office's issues during his time in office. When? During the limited months Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate (before Ted Kennedy died)? When he was busy trying to deal with a major financial crisis and also pass health-care reform? Once Republicans were able to filibuster everything, and especially when they won back the House in the midterms, how were Obama and the Democrats supposed to fix the Post Office? I guess it wasn't a priority, but should it have been at the time?
So, stop obfuscating and answer this simple Yes/No question.

Are the opinions I express on this site my own?
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Matthew Patel said:

So, stop obfuscating and answer this simple Yes/No question.

Are the opinions I express on this site my own?
As you wish. The opinions you express are your own.

I think everyone expresses opinions that are "their own," including the conservatives who keep repeating Fox News talking points. That's what makes some of these media outlets so good: they convince people that they thought of this thing all by themselves and after careful deliberation, when really the slant and influence from said outlet is strong.
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

That's quite a claim to make:

Well, this post was quite a mouthful so I wanted to take time before responding. First of all, the thrust of your argument seems to ignore what I actually said. It almost seems like you had this all written out in your head to respond to the argument you HOPED I would make rather than the one I actually made. I didn't say that every single one of your opinions comes from Ball's show (in fact my previous post specifically says that I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of what you heard there). I said that the show seems to be a major driver of the subjects you post about here. So just finding isolated examples of opinions you hold that are not from the show doesn't really refute my argument. I already acknowledged that you might have some.

Even so, let's get in to your examples.

Matthew Patel said:

Did Krystal Ball convince me of this?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Or was it because WIAF voted for Trump and usually votes Republican?

Was it me whose opinion was informed by Jennifer Rubin, conservative columnist for the Washington Post?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/97213/replies/1786437

Okay, so you linked the same post twice here and I'm not sure why. This is a post where you are saying wifeisafurd is a Republican. I guess you're right that this opinion did not come from Krystal Ball's show, because the hosts of that show probably don't know who WIAF is. Once again, I did not claim that every one of your thoughts comes straight from that show.

Matthew Patel said:

Or was it dajo9?
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/31106/replies/1785350

Maybe dajo9 is a Never Trump Republican who just believes what Jennifer Rubin tells him to believe while pretending to be a liberal so you guys will like him, since he depends on her opinion column to help support his position and then calls me a Trump voter when he can't.

Here it seems like you are attacking dajo for continuing to push the "Russiagate" theory and, more broadly, Democrats accepting help from "Never Trump" Republicans like Rubin. This is definitely a narrative that Rising has pushed quite a lot over the last few years.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-msnbc-host-krystal-ball-msnbcs-russia-conspiracies-have-done-immeasurable-harm-to-the-left

This video was posted on the same day you made the above anti-Russiagate argument (to be clear: this segment is not about "Russiagate" but rather is comparing it to the current controversy over the Post Office):



The show has also been highly critical of Never Trump Republicans, so it seems like you're following both narratives pretty well here.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/462398-krystal-ball-rips-into-never-trump-republicans

If this was supposed to convince me that you're not getting a lot of your opinions and content from Krystal Ball's show, you didn't do a very good job. If other posters get their narratives from someone else, so what? I'm talking about where yours come from.

Matthew Patel said:

Since you guys can't refute the logic of my arguments, you have to resort to accusing me of voting for people I'm not voting for or not being able to form my own opinions because to actively defend your stances on the merits is something that is beyond your limited capacities.

Dude, I already refuted the logic of your bad polling arguments above. Get out of here with this B.S. that I never engage with your substance. I have since moved on from that to speculate about what is driving your political orientation here. It does seem to me that Rising with Krystal and Saagar is a major influence for you.

I will also note the irony here that you are upset when people make assumptions about your voting patterns based on scant evidence when you did the same about dajo9 above. But to be clear: I never accused you of voting for Trump. I did say in some threads that your arguments were starting to become indistinguishable from those of the Trump supporters, but as far as I know you are still planning on voting for neither Trump nor Biden. I know some other people here have said you are a Trump supporter, but not me.

Matthew Patel said:

Might one of their shows make me aware of a news item I didn't previously see? Sure. But I prefer to read my news, not watch it. I get my information from a lot of different sources. If it's opinion-based, I can digest it and see I agree with it. If the opinion is well-supported with factual evidence, I'm more inclined to agree with it. If it's just pure prognostication, then either I agree or I don't.

I'm sure you do a lot of this. It seems like the root of what you follow up on and the slant you take on it is very much in line with what Krystal Ball's show presents. That doesn't mean they're always wrong! For example, in the video I posted above I think Saagar makes some good points about how the Post Office controversy blew up on Twitter and how that wasn't always in line with the facts of the case. I also think you're taking many of the slants of this show as gospel. For example, in that same clip, Krystal and Saagar kind of blithely opine that Obama should have fixed the Post Office's issues during his time in office. When? During the limited months Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate (before Ted Kennedy died)? When he was busy trying to deal with a major financial crisis and also pass health-care reform? Once Republicans were able to filibuster everything, and especially when they won back the House in the midterms, how were Obama and the Democrats supposed to fix the Post Office? I guess it wasn't a priority, but should it have been at the time?

In that way this show is a lot like Fox News opinion shows, just coming from a different angle: the hosts will ignore facts that are inconvenient and trumpet ones that further their anti-establishment narrative. Sort of like you did with your analysis of Biden's polling above.
First of all, let's fix your selective editing problem:

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He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.
How would you know? You never watch.
That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.
I have hardly been posting their videos of late
Read again: not their videos, the SUBJECTS of their videos.
So are you saying that I'm presenting stuff from their videos as my own opinion?
I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
So your opinion is that much like Fox News tells BearForce2 what to think, Krystal Ball has that same effect on me, that I don't know what opinion to have until she tells me first?
That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.
That's quite a claim to make
Your response to that is:

Quote:

I'm sure you do a lot of this. It seems like the root of what you follow up on and the slant you take on it is very much in line with what Krystal Ball's show presents. That doesn't mean they're always wrong! For example, in the video I posted above I think Saagar makes some good points about how the Post Office controversy blew up on Twitter and how that wasn't always in line with the facts of the case. I also think you're taking many of the slants of this show as gospel. For example, in that same clip, Krystal and Saagar kind of blithely opine that Obama should have fixed the Post Office's issues during his time in office. When? During the limited months Democrats had a veto-proof majority in the Senate (before Ted Kennedy died)? When he was busy trying to deal with a major financial crisis and also pass health-care reform? Once Republicans were able to filibuster everything, and especially when they won back the House in the midterms, how were Obama and the Democrats supposed to fix the Post Office? I guess it wasn't a priority, but should it have been at the time?
So, stop obfuscating and answer this simple Yes/No question.

Are the opinions I express on this site my own?
Hey, by the way, why didn't you want to engage with any of the substance of what I wrote?
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

So, stop obfuscating and answer this simple Yes/No question.

Are the opinions I express on this site my own?
As you wish. The opinions you express are your own.

I think everyone expresses opinions that are "their own," including the conservatives who keep repeating Fox News talking points. That's what makes some of these media outlets so good: they convince people that they thought of this thing all by themselves and after careful deliberation, when really the slant and influence from said outlet is strong.
There is a very strong difference between what modern Republicans on the internet do and what I do.

Your statement above does not square with this:

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He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.

or this:

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That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.

and most especially this:

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I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
and this:

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That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.

And after all of that, when you equate how I form my opinions to a guy like BearForce2, who until recently only communicated in this forum with memes, you have the unmitigated gall to ask me:

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Hey, by the way, why didn't you want to engage with any of the substance of what I wrote?

Why in the world would I want to engage you after you attempt to belittle me in that way? Honestly, I haven't even really read that part of your post.

In a world of dishonest actors who can't support their opinions with facts and abuse Spock's guide to logical thinking repeatedly, I'm starting to think you might be one of the very worst.

http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Logic.html

There's no reason to seriously engage with you if that is how you are going to treat me.
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

So, stop obfuscating and answer this simple Yes/No question.

Are the opinions I express on this site my own?
As you wish. The opinions you express are your own.

I think everyone expresses opinions that are "their own," including the conservatives who keep repeating Fox News talking points. That's what makes some of these media outlets so good: they convince people that they thought of this thing all by themselves and after careful deliberation, when really the slant and influence from said outlet is strong.
There is a very strong difference between what modern Republicans on the internet do and what I do.

Your statement above does not square with this:

Quote:

He's very good at regurgitating whatever narrative Krystal Ball's show is pushing today.

or this:

Quote:

That's not true, I watch them occasionally, and thanks to your constant posts they keep popping up in my YouTube recommendations. Whatever subject they are discussing that day is almost certain to be the subject of Matthew Patel post around the same time.

and most especially this:

Quote:

I'm saying their show seems to create your opinions for you.
and this:

Quote:

That may be taking it a bit far (I don't know what other opinions you might hold outside of Ball's show), but yes, I think that show is driving your opinions and what you post about here in a similar way to how Fox News and/or other right-wing media is driving conservatives like BF2.

And after all of that, when you equate how I form my opinions to a guy like BearForce2, who until recently only communicated in this forum with memes, you have the unmitigated gall to ask me:

Quote:

Hey, by the way, why didn't you want to engage with any of the substance of what I wrote?

Why in the world would I want to engage you after you attempt to belittle me in that way? Honestly, I haven't even really read that part of your post.

In a world of dishonest actors who can't support their opinions with facts and abuse Spock's guide to logical thinking repeatedly, I'm starting to think you might be one of the very worst.

http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Logic.html

There's no reason to seriously engage with you if that is how you are going to treat me.
I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
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sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.
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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.


Definitely not like BearForce2 at all.
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.

Hmmm.... Yogi is using an archaic operating system. It's all about the Pentiums I guess.
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Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.


Definitely not like BearForce2 at all.
If you leave this forum, if you survive my posts... you will be a weapon, you will be a minister of facts, praying for war. But until that day you are a troll. You're the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even a human-fscking-being. You are nothing but an unorganized grabasstic piece of amphibian shyt. Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn: I am hard, but I am fair. There is no smug superiority here. I do not look down on sycaseys, dajo9's, bearisters, or okaydo's. Here, you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Off-Topic Forum.

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"Because I am hard.."

I'm pretty sure this is code for, "I'm watching tRump's speech on the South Lawn right now."
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sycasey said:

IMO this is a very steady race in which a lot of people have already made up their minds, and the usual big events like conventions will probably not change it very much.
Checking in on this post-conventions:



The race has moved very little. If you want to point to tightening in some states (like PA), then okay, but keep in mind that there haven't been very many high-quality state polls lately. The averages there are a little wonky at the moment. A national environment where Biden is ahead by about 7 or 8 points is a virtually guaranteed win for him (if it holds through the election).
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The convention was so negative and depressing and Biden obviously has no vision for the country. So the Democrats in conjunction with the media have to create fake stories to energize his campaign.

The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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syc > national environment where Biden is ahead by about 7 or 8 points is a virtually guaranteed win for him (if it holds through the election).

absent T***p 45's "temporary" bottom of the deck martial law emergency..

muting more than 300 handles, turnaround is fair play
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75% of requested mail in ballots in North Carolina came from Democrats. It may be that some Republicans won't vote this time while it might have been the Democrats the 2016 .
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helltopay1 said:

The DSNC managed to remove "Under God" from the pledge of allegiance.
htp1 you must have missed this but (unlike the DNC) Trump actually managed to remove "Under God" from the pledge of allegiance. I await your condemnation of him.

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sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:

sycasey said:


I will give you that "seems to create your opinions for you" was unfair. Hopefully I have clarified my thoughts better.

But if you're so emotionally wound up that you can't discuss further, I understand.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

So your assertion is that my posting style is smug but yours is not? That's funny.


Definitely not like BearForce2 at all.
If you leave this forum, if you survive my posts... you will be a weapon, you will be a minister of facts, praying for war. But until that day you are a troll. You're the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even a human-fscking-being. You are nothing but an unorganized grabasstic piece of amphibian shyt. Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn: I am hard, but I am fair. There is no smug superiority here. I do not look down on sycaseys, dajo9's, bearisters, or okaydo's. Here, you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Off-Topic Forum.


Ok this little Full Metal Jacket riff between Yogi and Sy was easily one of the few highlights for me in the stinking mire that Off Topic has become. Thank you both gentlemen. Go Bears.
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OneKeg said:

sycasey said:

Matthew Patel said:


If you leave this forum, if you survive my posts... you will be a weapon, you will be a minister of facts, praying for war. But until that day you are a troll. You're the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even a human-fscking-being. You are nothing but an unorganized grabasstic piece of amphibian shyt. Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn: I am hard, but I am fair. There is no smug superiority here. I do not look down on sycaseys, dajo9's, bearisters, or okaydo's. Here, you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Off-Topic Forum.


Ok this little Full Metal Jacket riff between Yogi and Sy was easily one of the few highlights for me in the stinking mire that Off Topic has become. Thank you both gentlemen. Go Bears.
It really is quite a mess at the moment, isn't it?

Just get this election over with ASAP.
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