"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems."

Does this sound familiar?

It should.

It sounds a lot like the leading black conservative intellectuals today. You know...the same conservatives people on this board call Uncle Tom like Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder

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So any POC who has an opposing viewpoint from current liberal dogma has their opinion immediately dismissed. Like Malcolm X.

Ok got it.

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"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems."

Does this sound familiar?

It should.

It sounds a lot like the leading black conservative intellectuals today. You know...the same conservatives people on this board call Uncle Tom like Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder

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The first sentence applies to Donald Trump, who used to be friends with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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So is Malcolm X a liberal hero or an Uncle Tom?

Black conservative: I don't need to be pandered to.
White liberal: Hey Uncle Tom, we can help you, you're being oppressed by the racists.

Sorry I forgot to post a trigger warning about dunking on you guys again.

Trump agenda??prior to the Virus, best overall economy in the last 50 years. That agenda??Judges who interprets the constitution according to original intent., That agenda???Tough on China. That agenda??putting America first. That agenda??Giving loads ofWhat the hell are you talking about??? money to black colleges and black universities. That agenda??Championing legal over illegal immigration. That agenda??making sure NATO pays their fair share. That agenda??Best prison reform in decAdes. That agenda??Tax cuts for Americans. That agenda??Giving lethal aid to Ukraine in order to defend themselves from Russia. That agenda?B?est overall economy for blacks, asians and hispanics in the last 50 years. That agenda???Coordinating a peace agreement between Israel and the UAE in the last 50 years. That agenda??building up our military after Obama totally decimated it for 8 years. That agenda??Becoming the best friend of Israel since 1948. That Agenda??What the hell are you talking about??and, what';s this fixation about wishing Trump dead??I dislike Obama/Biden . but I don't want them to die. I want Obama to shut up and play golf with his rich friends, and, I want Joe to get good care in a Nursing home. Constantly alluding to the death of Trump is going to give some crazies ideas. Remember when a Bernie Sanders supporter went to the Republican/democrat softball game and shot as many republicans as he could see. If an officer hadn't accidentally been at the game, every republican would have died. What is wrong with you????

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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That's so perfect. Perfect. Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. Is this what happens when you see the end?

I have no standing to advise Black people what path to choose. They will have to cast their ballots. Will you lads be disapproving if they don't choose the path you prefer?


*I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I don't think this is what Malcolm X had in mind...but that it is what you do:

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"The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems."

Does this sound familiar?

It should.

It sounds a lot like the leading black conservative intellectuals today. You know...the same conservatives people on this board call Uncle Tom like Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder

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I love it when white guys quote Malcolm X like he is their hero. If Malcolm X was alive I'm sure he would love to have a beer with you while at a baseball game. The full quote is needed for context so feel free to read the actual quote in its entirety.

Which one are you hanky! the wolf or the fox?

When Conservatives Quote Malcolm X

You are the wolf who became the fox.

By Mark Thome

When a conservative quotes Malcolm X using that one line about liberals (butchered or not), what they are doing is taking the spot of the fox. They claim they are the black person's true friend because they don't make an issue about race.

"I don't see color."
"More white people are killed by cops than black people."
"You're blowing it out of proportion."
"Black people commit more crimes, it's just a fact."
"Not all cops are bad. There are just some rotten apples."
"They shouldn't force diversity."
"All lives matter."
and the list goes on.

The modern-day conservative wants to stop talking about race and just get on with their lives. They say that there is no racial inequality, but don't you dare force diversity into my television shows! Why is the black guy the hero and the white guy the villain? Are you virtue signaling? It's not racism until "woke" people start trying to make issues about "not enough colored people in this movie!" The idea seems to be, leave things as they are because nothing needs to change.

If we search back through history and we decide to learn about it without trying to twist it, the amount of injustices white people have done towards black people is astonishing. Not only that though, many, if not most, if not all, of those crimes have not only gone unanswered for, but we've also whitewashed many of them from our history books and tried to forget it ever happened.

I didn't learn about Black Wall Street as a child, in school, or anywhere else. I didn't bother to notice that the majority of people on my television screen were white, that "nude" color in cosmetics meant the natural skin color of white people.

I refused to believe that my skin color gave me the privilege, I believed that Martin Luther King Jr single-handedly won civil liberties through peaceful protests and didn't learn of the riots and chaos that followed his death before change happened. I didn't know about the Black Panthers peacefully protesting with guns only to be villainized and the ever pro-second amendment NRA suddenly became pro-gun control.

The honest truth is, I believe many of us white people have a fox in us. It's probably not many people's intent to oppress someone, but we do it. Both sides tell black people that we are the ones that are really on their side. When in reality, I wouldn't blame them for not believing any of us.

I don't think Malcolm X was wrong to say what he said, and I don't think someone would be wrong to say it again today.

If I'm standing beside a black person in a protest and they tell me that I really don't care, I wouldn't agree with them, but I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment, the pain, and anger they likely hold towards me and people who share my whiteness. It's understandable, it's probably even justified.

In fact, because of that, I believe that black people are the key to make the change that's needed. A white person shouldn't be the one on the bullhorn calling out injustices, it should be those who have experienced it, the people that can tell their story and share their pain.

They should be the ones at the head of change, the ones directing how our new world of inclusion looks like for them, not us trying to pretend we know what they need. But that doesn't mean they have to do it alone.
I'm still learning every day what it means to be an ally, or better yet, an accomplice.

https://medium.com/@Marcus_Thorne/when-conservatives-quote-malcolm-x-2fb664f38106

Disrespectful af

What is your point ?

You are not helping your sides case at all.

This Threads purpose is what ? ....

Since you opened the door I shall walk through.

First
you quote the Minister like he is your minstrel
Shameful are your talking points dried up because y'all have nothing to stand on ( your reckoning is almost here)

I will not except your cherry picking of the ministers
word.

If you have no skin in this game stop at Go do not collect 200. You need to read and reflect upon the level of your disingenuousness.

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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So is Malcolm X a liberal hero or an Uncle Tom?

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He is simply a hero because he had the courage to change, unlike the people on this forum who are resistant to facts.

Malcolm X was mostly feared and disliked by white liberals when he was alive because he was dangerous and thought of as a more divisive alternative to King. It was only after he was gunned down and the main stream hagiography began that this changed. Blacks of course had a different view.

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Since you opened the door I shall walk through.

First
you quote the Minister like he is your minstrel
Shameful are your talking points dried up because y'all have nothing to stand on ( your reckoning is almost here)

I will not except your cherry picking of the ministers
word.

If you have no skin in this game stop at Go do not collect 200. You need to read and reflect upon the level of your disingenuousness.

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0:53 - Discussion about how the Nation of Islam is labeled a violent group even though they initiate no violence
2:26 - Discussion about the hypocrisy of calling self-defense violence
4:26 - Why the Nation of Islam does not use violence even when black people are attacked and the hypocrisy of white people and that separation is preferable to integration
7:45 - Why black men should be able to kill a dog that is attacking them or commanding a dog to attack them
8:10 - Should other black men help that black man who is being attacked?
9:18 - On why the laws are not meaningful and his attitude towards the Civil Rights Movement
12:48 - His views towards MLK's philosophy of non-violence2
15:54 - His views towards the Freedom Now party, an all-black political organization
16:50 - On his suspicions of the intensions of white liberals
17:35 - On sweeping out the blacks in politics who act against black interests
19:03 - On why black people should never consider white people their friends (because the sex thing always gets in the way)
20:25 - On whites who have worked in the Civil Rights movement
23:10 - More on black puppets controlled by white liberals
24:37 - Discussion of James Baldwin's book "The Fire Next Time" and the growth of interest in the Nation of Islam due to the pre-eminence of African intellectuals
28:15 - On the attainment of freedom, justice, and equality for the black man
30:56 - On how whites established a state for Zionists, but would not do the same for black people
32:31 - On how the United States and the Constitution is not the black man's country or document
33:29 - On the disparity between the popularity among black leaders who support MLK vs the Nation of Islam
37:32 - The ideal solution to the racial problem in the United States

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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So is Malcolm X a liberal hero or an Uncle Tom?

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He is simply a hero because he had the courage to change, unlike the people on this forum who are resistant to facts.

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...and why don't you set forth all of those facts of which you speak.

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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But why Bearister?

I just picked up a copy of the Autobiography of Malcom X today to read. I read "To Kill a Mockingbird" as a kid and have re-read it every few years ever since and have treasured it my whole life. Have read many other important works regarding race such as "Black Boy" and "Black like me". We visited the National Civil Rights museum in Memphis last year after the Ole Miss game and it was really powerful. More recently I read the Autobiography of Clarence Thomas and found his point of view on race matters to very similar to that espoused by Malcolm X in that quote. I have never read the Malcolm X autobiography previously and will look forward to having the full context of that quote.

So why can't we talk about this direct quote from the Malcolm X book? And why is our nation not embracing MLK's famous words, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." The message I hear on CNN is quite the opposite.

Go Bears ! And let's all support the free exchange of ideas and points of view...

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Trump agenda??prior to the Virus, best overall economy in the last 50 years. That agenda??Judges who interprets the constitution according to original intent., That agenda???Tough on China. That agenda??putting America first. That agenda??Giving loads ofWhat the hell are you talking about??? money to black colleges and black universities. That agenda??Championing legal over illegal immigration. That agenda??making sure NATO pays their fair share. That agenda??Best prison reform in decAdes. That agenda??Tax cuts for Americans. That agenda??Giving lethal aid to Ukraine in order to defend themselves from Russia. That agenda?B?est overall economy for blacks, asians and hispanics in the last 50 years. That agenda???Coordinating a peace agreement between Israel and the UAE in the last 50 years. That agenda??building up our military after Obama totally decimated it for 8 years. That agenda??Becoming the best friend of Israel since 1948. That Agenda??What the hell are you talking about??and, what';s this fixation about wishing Trump dead??I dislike Obama/Biden . but I don't want them to die. I want Obama to shut up and play golf with his rich friends, and, I want Joe to get good care in a Nursing home. Constantly alluding to the death of Trump is going to give some crazies ideas. Remember when a Bernie Sanders supporter went to the Republican/democrat softball game and shot as many republicans as he could see. If an officer hadn't accidentally been at the game, every republican would have died. What is wrong with you????

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Thanks HTP1 for putting the truth in plain English so that the apparently lost leftists on this board have a chance of being educated. Not to worry, though, they will deny every fact you posted. They don't operate on facts; they operate totally on emotion fed to them in Democrat talking points. They don't have a rational thought in their heads. They seem to feed on death, arson, destruction, violence, and looting. That's why they don't dare criticize the violence in cities like Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, Minneapolis, and Kenosha. These rioters are their people expressing themselves the in only way they know how--violently. They're just plain despicable people.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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BLM = Burn, Loot, Murder


Liberalism is a mental illness.

Based on a review of their post histories, and in light of their support of the tRump Administration, the cast of characters at the RNC Convention, and of Fox News opinion show hosts: I question both the sincerity and motivation of the Conservatives in this thread that are enthusiastic champions of Malcolm X, particularly with regard to that specific quote.

Imagine if Joe Biden actually inspired people to go out in the streets and passionately demonstrate. Unfortunately a laughable canard.

The street theater between anti fa and proud boys has nothing to do with Biden or Trump other than being a distraction from the collective failures of the American establishment on health care, income equality, race, you name it- this is why it's a major issue for both- a proxy war.

IMHO These protestors would gain a lot more traction if instead of burning down local businesses they torched Facebook, Amazon and Goldman Sachs. Their go fund me site would go through the roof.

" These protestors would gain a lot more traction if instead of burning down local businesses they torched Facebook, Amazon and Goldman Sachs. Their go fund me site would go through the roof."

As ANTIFA/Black bloc practitioners destroyed Oakland for the 3rd or 4th time during Occupy Oakland, I commented to a buddy: Why don't they do this act in Beverly Hills instead?

*The answer: They figure they would get shot down there. There is no difference between them and the Alt Right. When they kill and maim each other I look at it as a thinning of the herd.

True that, burning down some local immigrants' business is not an anti fascist act or a strike against racism- it's revolutionary play acting by graduate school drop outs.

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I'm pretty sure Malcolm X spins in his grave when a dude like you invokes his name to support the tRump agenda.

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This is the same tired and laughable criticism that everyone on the left invokes:

"I don't agree what you say, therefore you must be a Trump supporter and your opinion/facts immediately dismissed. Orange Man Bad!"

My "agenda" is to merely point out the hypocrisy of those on this site who call black conservatives Uncle Toms.

So the question remains: is Malcolm X a hero or Uncle Tom? He agrees w black conservatives on this one.

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Disrespectful af

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I'm not the one calling others Uncle Tom just because I disagree w what they say.

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True that, burning down some local immigrants' business is not an anti fascist act or a strike against racism- it's revolutionary play acting by graduate school drop outs.

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And they're all doing it under the guise of BLM. BLM has been hijacked by white liberals. White liberals now lead BLM.

Lol I actually called it months ago. It was so predictable...

Soon we'll have white liberals painting themselves black and pretending they're black so they can lead the NAACP. Oh wait...that's already happened.

"This is the same tired and laughable criticism that everyone on the left invokes..."

Yogi and his multiple Sybil-esq personalities thinks I'm a Right Winger.




...and Yogi is a Bernie Cry Baby, you know, like a jilted girlfriend that is going to pour a bag of sugar in Biden's gas tank, put a fizzies in his enema bag and burn down his house.

Would the Minister be in support of their behavior or the cops accepting and condoning of their whiteness?

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" These protestors would gain a lot more traction if instead of burning down local businesses they torched Facebook, Amazon and Goldman Sachs. Their go fund me site would go through the roof."

As ANTIFA/Black bloc practitioners destroyed Oakland for the 3rd or 4th time during Occupy Oakland, I commented to a buddy: Why don't they do this act in Beverly Hills instead?

*The answer: They figure they would get shot down there. There is no difference between them and the Alt Right. When they kill and maim each other I look at it as a thinning of the herd.

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Back during "Occupy", I would see all these signs, "OCCUPY OAKLAND" and I just didn't get it. Finally, I saw one that said, "OCCUPY PIEDMONT". I was like, "Okay, you're getting closer."