Okay, but you're also saying that "Russiagate" was all a hoax, even though many of these same intelligence people are saying that Russian interference was real, based on their experience while working within the agency.Ralph Nader said:Those intelligence officials are not currently employed by any intelligence agency.sycasey said:
So let me get this straight:
1. When intelligence officials say that the story about Hunter Biden is Russian disinformation, we should not believe them.
2. When the current FBI director says that this story is an Iranian plot, definitely believe him.
Do I have that right, Yogi?
Letter was shared with Politico by Nick Shapiro. What current intelligence agency is Nick Shapiro employed by? None.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/11/playbook-birthday-nick-shapiro-1214889
When he was working for the CIA, he was a top aide to John Brennan, who informed the Obama administration that Hillary Clinton was planning a smear on Trump as a Russian agent.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/29/breaking-russia-believed-clinton-was-planning-anti-trump-collusion-campaign-in-2016-and-u-s-officials-knew-it/Meanwhile, the FBI, who deals with domestic issues, has seen the laptop and would have direct knowledge if there was any exculpatory evidence that this thing was a fake. They have provided no such evidence despite having seen the laptop.Quote:
At one point, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director John Brennan personally briefed then-President Barack Obama and other top U.S. national security officials that Russia assessed Hillary Clinton had approved a plan on July 26, 2016, "to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services," according to Brennan's handwritten notes.
But that letter by 50 guys who don't currently work for any intelligence agency, haven't seen the laptop, and have no idea whether it's disinformation is nice.
Eugene Debs said:Because it was a hoax. Russian Facebook ads are not much interference when domestic ads barely make a dent in polls shifting.Quote:
Okay, but you're also saying that "Russiagate" was all a hoax, even though many of these same intelligence people are saying that Russian interference was real, based on their experience while working within the agency.
That's fair.Eugene Debs said:It could be. Guiliani has no credibility and the New York Post is a biased publication. But we can't say conclusively that they are fake without evidence. Right now, a few e-mails have been verified and Hunter hasn't said the laptop isn't his, so lean on the side of "it is his laptop."Quote:
I did misspeak earlier, though. The former intelligence officials said the Biden story COULD BE Russian misinformation, based on their earlier experience dealing with such. According to you, these opinions are to be dismissed out of hand.
Anarchistbear said:
Letter by Intelligence Officers
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.."
My experience leads me to believe that this letter is an American Intelligence Disinformation Campaign. The same plots and people used to perpetrate a phony war in Iraq , fake bounties and a Russian hoax. I want to emphasize that I don't know if this letter is genuine.. My experience just leads me to believe that American intelligence officials played a significant role in this disinformation
sycasey said:Anarchistbear said:
Letter by Intelligence Officers
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.."
My experience leads me to believe that this letter is an American Intelligence Disinformation Campaign. The same plots and people used to perpetrate a phony war in Iraq , fake bounties and a Russian hoax. I want to emphasize that I don't know if this letter is genuine.. My experience just leads me to believe that American intelligence officials played a significant role in this disinformation
What special experience do you have that is equivalent to that of the intelligence officials?
Anarchistbear said:sycasey said:Anarchistbear said:
Letter by Intelligence Officers
"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.."
My experience leads me to believe that this letter is an American Intelligence Disinformation Campaign. The same plots and people used to perpetrate a phony war in Iraq , fake bounties and a Russian hoax. I want to emphasize that I don't know if this letter is genuine.. My experience just leads me to believe that American intelligence officials played a significant role in this disinformation
What special experience do you have that is equivalent to that of the intelligence officials?
You're not a serious person.
Except it continues today, wasn't a hoax, and for you to use that language flags you as mindless parrot.Bear With Me said:You mean like she has with the Russian collusion hoax?blungld said:Gee, I wonder if Rachel reports something erroneous if she will acknowledge it and correct it...and if you would see the right media or president ever do the same?Jill Stein said:
But it does mean interference from Russia. In the case of Russian bots, they are seeking to sow confusion for the benefit of one candidate, and in the case of the 2020 election, they are doing so to benefit Captain Catastrophe as indicate by our intelligence professionals.Jacqui Heinrich said:Do you not know the meaning of the word collusion?blungld said:Except it continues today, wasn't a hoaxBear With Me said:You mean like she has with the Russian collusion hoax?blungld said:Gee, I wonder if Rachel reports something erroneous if she will acknowledge it and correct it...and if you would see the right media or president ever do the same?Jill Stein said:
Russian bots on social media does not equal collusion between a presidential campaign and a foreign country's government.
I'm pretty sure that continuing to carry the torch after a $32,000,000 "independent" investigation makes you the mindless Maddow parrot. Either that or your gaslighting techniques need a lot of work.blungld said:Except it continues today, wasn't a hoax, and for you to use that language flags you as mindless parrot.Bear With Me said:You mean like she has with the Russian collusion hoax?blungld said:Gee, I wonder if Rachel reports something erroneous if she will acknowledge it and correct it...and if you would see the right media or president ever do the same?Jill Stein said:
Political candidates sow disinformation domestically, yet no one prosecutes them for it.BearNIt said:But it does mean interference from Russia. In the case of Russian bots, they are seeking to sow confusion for the benefit of one candidate, and in the case of the 2020 election, they are doing so to benefit Captain Catastrophe as indicate by our intelligence professionals.Jacqui Heinrich said:Do you not know the meaning of the word collusion?blungld said:Except it continues today, wasn't a hoaxBear With Me said:You mean like she has with the Russian collusion hoax?blungld said:Gee, I wonder if Rachel reports something erroneous if she will acknowledge it and correct it...and if you would see the right media or president ever do the same?Jill Stein said:
Russian bots on social media does not equal collusion between a presidential campaign and a foreign country's government.
Anarchistbear said:
Putin endorsed Obama in 2012. He knows Biden.. After four years of Trump I suspect- if he has any power which he doesn't- he'd be all in on Joe. ( I suspect Putin is laughing his ass off at all the power moonie liberals think he has)
dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to America
Quote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
dajo9 said:Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?
BearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
I believe it was in the report, as well as the article you posted.dajo9 said:BearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
If what he said had any relevance it would have been in the report
It was an "accompanying statement". In other words. Some pages accompanying the actual report in which partisans are allowed to say partisan things. This kind of thing is done to entrap people into thinking it's actually part of the report.Kaworu said:I believe it was in the report, as well as the article you posted.dajo9 said:BearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
If what he said had any relevance it would have been in the report
Ohdajo9 said:It was an "accompanying statement". In other words. Some pages accompanying the actual report in which partisans are allowed to say partisan things. This kind of thing is done to entrap feeble minds into thinking it's actually part of the report. I see it worked.Kaworu said:I believe it was in the report, as well as the article you posted.dajo9 said:If what he said had any relevance it would have been in the reportBearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
Sorry for my coarseness. I thought you were Yogi (maybe you are, who knows anymore). I have edited my comments.Kaworu said:Ohdajo9 said:It was an "accompanying statement". In other words. Some pages accompanying the actual report in which partisans are allowed to say partisan things. This kind of thing is done to entrap feeble minds into thinking it's actually part of the report. I see it worked.Kaworu said:I believe it was in the report, as well as the article you posted.dajo9 said:If what he said had any relevance it would have been in the reportBearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
My Yo-dar, told me to wait a bit before blocking this one. He doesn't quite exude the obtuseness of Team Yogi. Wait and see.dajo9 said:Sorry for my coarseness. I thought you were Yogi (maybe you are, who knows anymore). I have edited my comments.Kaworu said:Ohdajo9 said:It was an "accompanying statement". In other words. Some pages accompanying the actual report in which partisans are allowed to say partisan things. This kind of thing is done to entrap feeble minds into thinking it's actually part of the report. I see it worked.Kaworu said:I believe it was in the report, as well as the article you posted.dajo9 said:If what he said had any relevance it would have been in the reportBearForce2 said:dajo9 said:Why do you think anyone cares what Marco Rubio has to say?Kaworu said:dajo9 said:
When the history is written all these Trumpers will be viewed as disloyal to AmericaQuote:
The Senate committee's report itself does not offer any meaningful treatment of, or explicit conclusion regarding, the subject of "collusion," a legally nebulous, politically charged term that once saw wide use. But the committee's acting chairman, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, said in an accompanying statement that the panel's investigators "found absolutely no evidence" that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. He said the committee did find "irrefutable evidence of Russian meddling."
You don't have to care, he's either right or wrong.
