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Mark Fox, Bears Look For Big Step Forward

September 27, 2022
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Late September, into October, is a sports fan’s dream season. Baseball heads to its playoffs. Football, both college and the NFL, are in full swing and seasons are beginning to take shape. And, hockey and basketball are beginning their camps, with all the hope that exists when every team is still undefeated. So many sports, so little time and attention to offer each.

The 2022-2023 Cal Men’s basketball squad began their regular-season practice sessions Monday.  Everyone, in every program, is positive and confident in their prospects for the upcoming season, of course, but in the case of Golden Bears hoops, that confidence might just be well-placed.

Monday also featured a Zoom-only availability with head coach Mark Fox, now in his fourth year at Haas Pavilion, along with seniors Lars Thiemann and Kuany Kuany, known to his teammates as “2K”.  All seemed genuinely excited for what their futures hold.

Thiemann spoke at some length about the team’s opportunity to play games in Europe this past summer. He was very pleased to show his teammates the culture, history and architecture of his home country and continent, but also happy to do some exploring on his own, as he had never been either to Paris, or to the part of Belgium the team visited.

“For me,” Thiemann said, “what was most exciting was to go to Düsseldorf, almost my home city, for the guys to see where I’m from, and then we had a game there and played against my old team. I thought it was a great trip for us, as teammates, to bond and to get closer – the shared experience I think will help us become closer, more of a brotherhood.”

Asked what new things he saw, Thiemann noted, “I’d never seen Paris, it was cool, such a beautiful city, even the touristy sights were cool to see.”

Kuany echoed those sentiments, with the additional note that it was ALL new for him: “The trip was a great experience because I’d never been to Europe, getting to bond with my teammates on a long flight. The coolest thing I saw was the PSG (Paris Saint-Germain) Stadium,  (Les Parc des Princes), because I’m pretty big on soccer and just to see that stadium was really cool, especially for my teammates to be able to share the moment.”

2K went on to say that the experience of playing two games together in the summer would be very beneficial going forward, noting, “We’ve got a lot of new players.” That might be an understatement, actually.

Cal has four complete newcomers, plus a fifth player who redshirted last season, all of whom are expected to be contributors in Fox’s rotation, which he expects to be 9, but possibly 10 players once the season settles in.  “I would like to be able to play nine,” Fox said, “can we get to 10? We’ll see. We’ve got a lot of competition for minutes right now – it’s kind of fun to see every day. We’ve got a lot of guys battling, and a month to figure it out.”

The four newcomers are Irishman ND Okafor (6’-9”, 235 lbs.); 6’-8”, 220 lb. freshman Grant Newell, from Chicago but with an extra year at IMG Academy in Brandenton, Florida; and transfers Devin Askew and DeJuan Clayton.  Okafor, who has extensive international experience, is a “5”, like Thiemann, but both Thiemann and Fox think Okafor might see the floor with Thiemann at various times during the year. Fox actually said, “I can play ND at any position from the 2 up to the 5 if I need to,” although that’s no guarantee we will see the big man spotting up on the wing very often.

When asked who has surprised him the most so far this year, Fox immediately said, “there’s no doubt, it’s Grant Newell. He came in and, from Day 1, he’s been impressive with how he works, how he finishes, with how responsible he is. He just has a lot of positive traits on and off the court. I don’t think there’s anyone on our staff who would say differently; Grant has been a tremendous surprise out of the gate.”

Asked if the 2022-23 squad would play a quicker tempo than recent squads have, Fox said, “I think in the past we’ve played a slower tempo than we wanted to because of the talent. Now that we have more depth, I think you’ll see us play a faster pace and see more balance offensively. Obviously, it’s an area we have worked hard on this summer. I think the two transfer guards will impact that area immediately.”

We asked Coach Fox who would be able to lead the team when they really want to run the floor, and he said, “I’d say Joel (returning senior Joel Brown) and Devin (Askew) are the best in that area. They are really good on the open floor and are fast on the dribble.”

Askew left high school a year early and enrolled at Kentucky. He was projected as the #1 point guard in the nation with his graduating class, but experienced expected growing pains jumping to an elite program in Lexington. Fox was asked about his confidence level as he has transferred to now his third NCAA program: “I think that’s a good question. Obviously, he took on something that, when I recruited him, I recommended he NOT skip his senior year. But he’s a talented player. We’ve worked hard (for him) to regain his confidence and aggressiveness. I think he would admit he got a little heavy in those previous places, and we’ve trimmed him down. It starts with approach – he’s VERY coachable, and I think he’s got a lot of his confidence back, and it’s about getting him comfortable in a system of play that I think fits him better.

Fox admitted that prior seasons have not been the easiest to watch. “We’ve not had an athletic front line, and that’s hard to overcome in a game with 60+ possessions. Lars, I think, finally got comfortable last year and everyone was excited about how he finished last year. But, Sam Alajiki played really well last season and for his national team (Ireland) this summer. He’s got a strong and athletic body, and you combine him with Grant and we have length and a physicality in the paint that, quite honestly, we’ve not had (during my tenure).”

Fox noted that the program has been rebuilding, itself a hurdle, and also had to work through the challenges of the pandemic. He feels he’s now got a roster that can play aggressively, and hopes they can learn to do so while playing mistake-free basketball. He’s excited to go to practice because he “has been getting a ton of cooperation, and don’t have to fight them every day.”

The Golden Bears open the 2022-23 season with non-conference action against UC Davis, putting their 33-0 all-time record against the Aggies on the line at Haas Pavilion November 7.

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Mark Fox, Bears Look For Big Step Forward

21,841 Views | 108 Replies | Last: 2 yr ago by SFCityBear
KoreAmBear
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calumnus said:

eastcoastcal said:

calumnus said:

calumnus said:

Player Rankings in Advanced Metrics (Offense and Defense) and Number of Starts by Year (min 100 min)

18-19 (Jones)
1. Sueing 30
2. Vanover 15
3. Kelly 18
4. Bradley 19
5. Austin 29
6. McNeil 28
7. Anticevich 4
8. Harris-Dyson 9
9. Gordon 1
10. Davis 2

19-20 (Fox)
1. Bradley 30
2. Kuany 2
3. Kelly 11
4. Austin 18
5. South 27
6. Anticevich 32
7. Thorpe 2
8. Thiemann 18
9. Harris-Dyson 1
10. Gordon 0
11 Brown 17

20-21 (Fox)
1. Kelly 23
2. Bradley 19
3. Thorpe 1
4. Thiemann 11
5. Celestine 5
6. Brown 21
7. Anticevich 21
8. Foreman 14
9. Kuany 3
10. Betley 23
11. Hyder 4
12. Bowser 0

21-22 (Fox)
1. Kelly 21
2. Thiemann 11
3. Kuany 16
4. Alajiki 4
5. Shepherd 32
6. Celestine 16
7. Foreman 4
8. Anywanu 0
9. Anticevich 29
10. Brown 24
11. Hyder 2


One key way to get the most from your team is to play the best players/players that are playing well (at their respective positions).

In 2018-19 Jones should have played :
1. Austin
2. Bradley
3. Sueing
4. Kelly
5. Vanover

That was a good young starting 5, who if we kept them together, 4 plus a PG to replace Austin, would be a very good Cal team this year.

I won't say anything again about Fox's subsequent choices for minutes and starts (and shots). The stats speak for themselves.

This year a lot of minutes will by necessity go to guys we have not seen or seen little of.


So I will comment on Fox. If you look at the above, he gave Thiemann too many starts and minutes his first two years, especially as a freshman, and played Anticevich far too much all along. All at the expense of Kelly. Fox and friends have developed Thiemann and last year our front line should have been Lars and Kelly. With Kuany getting the backup minutes. Thorpe previously when healthy.

Jumping to this year. Losing Kelly is big. Bigger than losing Bradley. Losing Celestine to injury hurts.

However, if Okafor can be great defender and rebounder and Newell is as reported, Lars, Kuany, Newell and Okafor can give us a more productive front line minutes than Fox played last year with Anticevich, Kelly, Lars and Kuany.

Similarly, it is not asking much for a combination of the new guards to be more productive at the guard positions than Brown, Shepherd, Foreman and Hyder.

I don't see "a big step forward" but winning as many (or as few) games as last year seems a reasonable prediction. Our games will likely be even more low scoring though.
I cannot wait for the postgame presser where Fox comments on how we need to buckle down on defense and show more effort when we lose 36-44
Right? I remember him saying that after a 40-50 loss to UCLA and a 45-60 loss to Utah.

Back in 2011 when Cal played his Georgia team featuring his best recruit, McDonald's All American, SEC POY, future 1st Round Pick, we blew them out winning 70-46. He spent the postgame blaming his players' "lack of effort on defense." I though "what a jerk, did he think he could win 46-44? Sure glad he is not our coach."
I love it when we have a coach that is the smartest coach in the building or stadium. It feels good when that happens -- that means we will never beat ourselves. We had that in Monty. Early years of Tedford. Bruce Snyder in 1990 and 1991. That's about it in my time following Cal since 1988 at least for men's basketball and football. I thought we had that in Mooch but judging by the second half of his only season as head coach, nah.
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KoreAmBear said:

calumnus said:

eastcoastcal said:

calumnus said:

calumnus said:

Player Rankings in Advanced Metrics (Offense and Defense) and Number of Starts by Year (min 100 min)

18-19 (Jones)
1. Sueing 30
2. Vanover 15
3. Kelly 18
4. Bradley 19
5. Austin 29
6. McNeil 28
7. Anticevich 4
8. Harris-Dyson 9
9. Gordon 1
10. Davis 2

19-20 (Fox)
1. Bradley 30
2. Kuany 2
3. Kelly 11
4. Austin 18
5. South 27
6. Anticevich 32
7. Thorpe 2
8. Thiemann 18
9. Harris-Dyson 1
10. Gordon 0
11 Brown 17

20-21 (Fox)
1. Kelly 23
2. Bradley 19
3. Thorpe 1
4. Thiemann 11
5. Celestine 5
6. Brown 21
7. Anticevich 21
8. Foreman 14
9. Kuany 3
10. Betley 23
11. Hyder 4
12. Bowser 0

21-22 (Fox)
1. Kelly 21
2. Thiemann 11
3. Kuany 16
4. Alajiki 4
5. Shepherd 32
6. Celestine 16
7. Foreman 4
8. Anywanu 0
9. Anticevich 29
10. Brown 24
11. Hyder 2


One key way to get the most from your team is to play the best players/players that are playing well (at their respective positions).

In 2018-19 Jones should have played :
1. Austin
2. Bradley
3. Sueing
4. Kelly
5. Vanover

That was a good young starting 5, who if we kept them together, 4 plus a PG to replace Austin, would be a very good Cal team this year.

I won't say anything again about Fox's subsequent choices for minutes and starts (and shots). The stats speak for themselves.

This year a lot of minutes will by necessity go to guys we have not seen or seen little of.


So I will comment on Fox. If you look at the above, he gave Thiemann too many starts and minutes his first two years, especially as a freshman, and played Anticevich far too much all along. All at the expense of Kelly. Fox and friends have developed Thiemann and last year our front line should have been Lars and Kelly. With Kuany getting the backup minutes. Thorpe previously when healthy.

Jumping to this year. Losing Kelly is big. Bigger than losing Bradley. Losing Celestine to injury hurts.

However, if Okafor can be great defender and rebounder and Newell is as reported, Lars, Kuany, Newell and Okafor can give us a more productive front line minutes than Fox played last year with Anticevich, Kelly, Lars and Kuany.

Similarly, it is not asking much for a combination of the new guards to be more productive at the guard positions than Brown, Shepherd, Foreman and Hyder.

I don't see "a big step forward" but winning as many (or as few) games as last year seems a reasonable prediction. Our games will likely be even more low scoring though.
I cannot wait for the postgame presser where Fox comments on how we need to buckle down on defense and show more effort when we lose 36-44
Right? I remember him saying that after a 40-50 loss to UCLA and a 45-60 loss to Utah.

Back in 2011 when Cal played his Georgia team featuring his best recruit, McDonald's All American, SEC POY, future 1st Round Pick, we blew them out winning 70-46. He spent the postgame blaming his players' "lack of effort on defense." I though "what a jerk, did he think he could win 46-44? Sure glad he is not our coach."
I love it when we have a coach that is the smartest coach in the building or stadium. It feels good when that happens -- that means we will never beat ourselves. We had that in Monty. Early years of Tedford. Bruce Snyder in 1990 and 1991. That's about it in my time following Cal since 1988 at least for men's basketball and football. I thought we had that in Mooch but judging by the second half of his only season as head coach, nah.


Mooch had a good offense and recruiting was looking great. We lost to Navy in the Aloha Bowl 38-42. It was the DC who needed to be fired, not promoted to HC when the Niners inexplicably hired Mooch as their HC.
SFCityBear
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calumnus said:

calumnus said:

Player Rankings in Advanced Metrics (Offense and Defense) and Number of Starts by Year (min 100 min)

18-19 (Jones)
1. Sueing 30
2. Vanover 15
3. Kelly 18
4. Bradley 19
5. Austin 29
6. McNeil 28
7. Anticevich 4
8. Harris-Dyson 9
9. Gordon 1
10. Davis 2

19-20 (Fox)
1. Bradley 30
2. Kuany 2
3. Kelly 11
4. Austin 18
5. South 27
6. Anticevich 32
7. Thorpe 2
8. Thiemann 18
9. Harris-Dyson 1
10. Gordon 0
11 Brown 17

20-21 (Fox)
1. Kelly 23
2. Bradley 19
3. Thorpe 1
4. Thiemann 11
5. Celestine 5
6. Brown 21
7. Anticevich 21
8. Foreman 14
9. Kuany 3
10. Betley 23
11. Hyder 4
12. Bowser 0

21-22 (Fox)
1. Kelly 21
2. Thiemann 11
3. Kuany 16
4. Alajiki 4
5. Shepherd 32
6. Celestine 16
7. Foreman 4
8. Anywanu 0
9. Anticevich 29
10. Brown 24
11. Hyder 2


One key way to get the most from your team is to play the best players/players that are playing well (at their respective positions).

In 2018-19 Jones should have played :
1. Austin
2. Bradley
3. Sueing
4. Kelly
5. Vanover

That was a good young starting 5, who if we kept them together, 4 plus a PG to replace Austin, would be a very good Cal team this year.

I won't say anything again about Fox's subsequent choices for minutes and starts (and shots). The stats speak for themselves.

This year a lot of minutes will by necessity go to guys we have not seen or seen little of.


So I will comment on Fox. If you look at the above, he gave Thiemann too many starts and minutes his first two years, especially as a freshman, and played Anticevich far too much all along. All at the expense of Kelly. Fox and friends have developed Thiemann and last year our front line should have been Lars and Kelly. With Kuany getting the backup minutes. Thorpe previously when healthy.

Jumping to this year. Losing Kelly is big. Bigger than losing Bradley. Losing Celestine to injury hurts.

However, if Okafor can be great defender and rebounder and Newell is as reported, Lars, Kuany, Newell and Okafor can give us a more productive front line minutes than Fox played last year with Anticevich, Kelly, Lars and Kuany.

Similarly, it is not asking much for a combination of the new guards to be more productive at the guard positions than Brown, Shepherd, Foreman and Hyder.

I don't see "a big step forward" but winning as many (or as few) games as last year seems a reasonable prediction. Our games will likely be even more low scoring though.
So you are responding to your own post? That is interesting. I wonder if you might start a new trend, which could be a way to stimulate more posts on the basketball forum, until the Bears start winning and we get more posters and maybe get some of the old ones back. Keep it up. Maybe we can all start doing that.

That being said, I can't agree with all of your response to yourself, the basketball insight stuff. Andre Kelly, as much as I liked him, or rather what he became, with 3 years of Fox's coaching He arrived at Cal as a very slow, soft, overweight player, who could not jump. He improved little in his year with Wyking, and in fact, I believe he arrived for year 2 even more overweight. He was usually the last guy down the floor, and could not play many minutes apparently due to lack of stamina. Didn't you see him having to come out of games and take oxygen on the sidelines? I've never seen another Cal player need oxygen, but I haven't seen every game we played. Quite frankly, I think Fox kept Kelly's minutes at a level where he would not get gassed and have to come out of games too often. I think Fox played him as much as he could, and his minutes increased steadily over 4 years.

To Andre's great credit, he built himself into a player, with a lot of supervision from Fox and staff. I say that because such rapid progress usually needs direction from some coaching the player. He also developed shots he never had when he arrived, and rebounding skills to outrebound taller men. He became faster, and he jumped higher, even dunking balls which he could not do in his first year or two. His improvement was remarkable, and I think you ought to give Fox some credit for that, and if you can't do that, at least don't blame for Fox for not playing him enough to improve further.

I think Fox played Lars instead of Kelly in some matchups, because early on, Kelly could not defend either a man or the rim very well, and over time, Kelly improved in both of those areas as well. Lars is a 7-footer, and if you are a 7 footer, you automatically get into a shooter's head, because he knows you have a 7-footer's longer arms as well. Lars doesn't have to do as much with his arms to do get his hands in position to block a shot as Kelly has to do.

Anticevich played minutes in certain matchups as well, because he is a perimeter player, and not skilled inside. He can give us threes, when Kelly probably could not. Kelly is exclusively an inside player, and the two styles complement each other. It gave Fox the ability to scheme for defenses and emphasize the offensive strengths of each player. I would have liked to see a front line of Lars and Kelly more, but Cal's three point shooting was so weak, Fox had to use Anticevich in many situations just to try and give us some more outside scoring.

As to Kuany, he was more skilled than Lars but they played different positions. Kuany is skilled enough now to be able to handle the ball, move, and score outside and near the basket. But he never seems to "have a nose for the ball", or to know where to go on the floor to get a feed from a teammate. He really needs a lot more experience playing in games, and even with all his improvement and athleticism, he hasn't been able to crack the lineup often. Kuany is much faster and more athletic than Bak Bak, but Montgomery was able to run set plays to get Bak a wide open 10-12 footer from the left side, and he made those shots. Fox's offense is more of a motion offense, and not many simple set plays like that one, at least that I can recognize. I've only been watching games on TV since a little before Covid, and it is far easier to recognize plays watching games in person, so perhaps I am wrong on Fox on that account.
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