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March 12, 2023
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With the historically unsuccessful Mark Fox era over at Cal, let's take a look at some potential replacement candidates in this critical juncture of Cal basketball.

But before we begin, the profound level of futility of not just the Mark Fox era but also the preceding two years of comparable lack of success from Wyking Jones needs to be examined to understand just how big a hole AD Jim Knowlton and the athletic department needs to figure out a way to dig itself out of.

Following the relatively successful 3-year tenure of Cuonzo Martin, who went 62-39 overall and

Former Cal HC Cuonzo Martin

29-25 in conference before departing to Missouri with a substantial raise that more than doubled his Cal contract, prior AD Mike WIlliams made a critical error in hiring Martin assistant Wyking Jones, who had no head coaching experience. The results were even worse than the gloomiest of sceptics could have imagined, with a pair of last-place finishes and an overall record of 16-47 overall and just 5-31 in conference.

Veteran coach Mark Fox, who had had a modest level of success took over and fared little better in his 4-year tenure at Cal, going just 38-67 overall and 17-61 in conference.

Fortunately in this day of portal transfers and NIL, if a program like Cal that has something

Former Cal HC Mark Fox

beyond futility to offer under the right leadership and framework, including a robust NIL program, the right coach and a few key transfer additions can dramatically change the fortunes of a program without having to suffer through a painfully slow rebuild project.

There are some non-negotiable traits this go-round that are crucial to picking the right person to lead what is not a particularly easy turnaround of a Cal program that’s been down six years now: A strong recruiter, a dynamic personality, high character, problem solver vs. a complainer, an inclusive approach (former players, donors, press, fans input considered), a proven head coach and teacher, a builder/change agent type and energetic.

With that in mind, here are some candidates that Cal can, will or possibly should consider:

Potential primary candidates:

Joe Pasternak UCSB head coach, age 41

Pasternack currently holds a record of 132–52 (.713) and 70–30 (.700) in Big West conference play in six seasons in Santa Barbara. The Gauchos tied for 1st in conference this season with a 15-5 record and 27-7 overall, also winning the Big West conference tourney. The Gauchos earned a 14th seed in the NCAA tournament, facing No. 3 seed Baylor in the first round of the South Region on Friday He has experience as an assistant at Cal and Arizona, where he was their lead recruiter, which could be viewed as a strong positive with the elite players he helped bring in

UCSB HC Joe Pasternack

or potentially a negative if he was personally involved in any of their recruiting violations when he was on staff under Sean Miller. He also helped engineer a turnaround at his first head coaching job at New Orleans so he also has experience digging out of holes. UCSB had also gone 25-36 in the two seasons prior to Pasternack’s arrival. He has strong west coast ties and is known as a strong recruiter.

Darian DeVries Drake head coach, age 47

DeVries currently holds a record of 122–47 (.722) and 63–29 (.685) in Missouri Valley conference play in 5 seasons at Drake.  Drake is currently 27-7 and finished 2nd in conference with a 15-5 record. Drake earned the No. 12 seed in the Midwest Region and will face No. 5 Miami in Albany, NY. DeVries was twice voted conference Coach of the Year and

Drake HC Darian DeVries

has a 1-1 record in NCAA tourney play. Prior to his arrival, Drake went just 23-40 before he engineered a quick turnaround. Combined with his time as an assistant at Creighton, he has a reputation as a strong recruiter and as a dynamic young coach who comes from a good coaching tree, though he does not appear to have particularly strong west coast ties.

Leon Rice, Boise State head coach, age 59

Rice currently holds a record of 267–153 (.636) and 141–88 (.616) in conference play at BSU. They went 13-5 in Mountain

Boise State HC Leon Rice

West play this season,  and 23-8 overall. Rice was twice named conference Coach of the Year and won two regular season conference and one conference tournament championship in his 14 seasons at BSU. He has significant coaching experience also serving as an assistant at Oregon and Gonzaga, though his age might be a bit less attractive.

Brian Dutcher, San Diego State head coach, age 63

Dutcher currently holds a record of 144–46 (.757) overall and 81–25 (.764) in conference play as head coach at SDSU. SDSU

Boise State HC Brian Dutcher

went 15-3 this season, winning the Mountain West conference title and Mountain West conference tourney. SDSU earned a No. 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament, facing 12th-seeded College of Charleston. Dutcher was a longtime assistant head coach for 9 years at Michigan and 18 years at SDSU under highly-successful head coach Brian Fisher. He’s won 3 conference championships and 2 conference championship tournaments in his 5 seasons with the Aztecs. Dutcher has strong west coast ties and a good recruiting reputation though his age may be seen by some as a drawback.

Mark Pope, BYU head coach, age 50

Pope currently holds a record at BYU of  85–40 (.680) overall and 39–21 (.650) in conference in his 4 seasons at BYU. They went 7-9 in conference this season and 17-15 overall, tying for fifth in the West Coast Conference. The Cougars went to the NCAA tourney in 2020-21 after finishing 20-7

BYU HC Mark Pope

and 10-3, 2nd in conference and to the NIT quarterfinals the next season. Dutcher also was an assistant at Wake Forest and Georgia as well as a player for 6 years in the NBA with Denver, Milwaukee and Indiana. He played for Washington and was the captain of Kentucky’s national championship team in 1996.

Next let’s take a look at several potential targets who some might see as a higher risk/higher reward option for various reasons.

Ryan Odom, Utah State head coach, age 48

Odom holds a record at Utah State of 41–23 (.641)overall and 20–15 (.571) in conference play at Utah State in his two seasons there, currently 23-7 and 12-6 in Mountain West Conference play,

Montana State HC Ryan Odom
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finishing 2nd behind San Diego State and tied with Boise State. Prior to Utah State, Odom turned around an awful UMBC (University of Maryland, Baltimore County) who had gone 11-51 in the 2 seasons prior to his arrival to a first-season 21-13 record and 97-60 in 5 seasons. He was also an assistant at Virginia Tech, South Florida, Furman, UNC-Ashville and Charlotte.

Danny Sprinkle, Montana State, age 45

Sprinkle holds a record of 81–42 (.659) 49–23 (.681) at Montana State in Big Sky play, going 25–9 overall and 15–3 in conference this season, finishing 2nd in the regular season and earning a second straight NCAA tourney appearance with a Big Sky conference tournament championship this season. The Bobcats will face No. Kansas State on Friday in the opening round of the tournament in Greensboro, North Carolina. Sprinkle was named the Big Sky Coach of the Year this season. He took over a program that went just 28-46 in the two seasons before he arrived so he’s no stranger to big turnarounds. He's recruited on the west coast as an assistant at Cal State Northridge and Fullerton State and played collegiately at Montana State in the 90s.

Todd Simon, Southern Utah head coach, age 42

Simon holds a record at Southern Utah of 117-105  overall and 65-54 in conference play at Southern Utah in his 2 seasons there. They finished 20-11 overall currently and 12-6 in WAC Conference play. His teams have finished 64-27 in the last 3 seasons. Interestingly, Simon was part of the founding staff of Findlay Prep in Las Vegas and coached former Cal star Jorge Gutierrez in high school. He was also an assistant head coach and interim head coach at UNLV.

Stan Johnson, Loyola Marymount head coach, age 43

Johnson holds a record at LMU of 43–39 (.524) overall and 19–24 (.442) in WCC conference play at

LMU HC Stan Johnson

LMU in his 3 seasons there. They finished this season at 19-12 overall and 9-7 in conference play this season, finishing 4th. Before LMU, Johnson was an assistant at Marquette, ASU, Drake and Utah. He took over a Lions program that went 31-33 prior to his arrival.

Shantay Legans, Portland head coach, age 41

Legans holds a record at Portand of 32–33 (.492) overall and 12–18 (.400) in WCC conference play in his 2 seasons there. They finished this season 13-18 overall and 5-11 in conference play, finishing 8th. He took over a program that had gone just 15-38 the 2 seasons before his arrival. Legans went 39-14 in his final two seasons at Eastern

Portland HC Shantay Leggans

Washington before taking the Portland job. Legans played point guard at Cal from 1999 to 2002 before transferring to Fresno State.

Tim Miles, San Jose State head coach, age 56

Miles holds a record of 27–35 (.435) overall and 11–25 (.306) at San Jose State in Mountain West play in his 2 seasons there. They finished this season 20-12 overall and 10-8 in MWC play after struggling his first season, taking over a Spartans program that

San Jose State HC Tim Miles

went just 20-93 in the 4 prior seasons. Prior to SJS, Miles went 116–114 (.504) in 7 seasons at Nebraska and 71-88 at Colorado State.

Grant McCasland, North Texas head coach, age 46

MacCasland holds a record of 129–65 (.663) overall at North Texas and 71–36 (.664) in Conference USA play in his 6 seasons with the Mean Green. They finished the regular season 26-7 overall and 16-4 in C-USA, finishing second. He took over a North Texas program that has gone just 20-42 prior to his arrival, engineering a nice turnaround. His coaching experience at Baylor gave him bigger recruiting exposure and MacCasland also played at Baylor in the 90s.

Rodney Terry, Texas interim head coach, age 54

Terry holds a record of 17-7 overall at Texas and 12-6 in Big-12 conference play since taking over as interim coach after previous head coach Chris Beard was suspended then fired by the

Texas interim HC Rodney Terry

Longhorns. After knocking off No. 1 seed Kansas in the conference tourney, the Longhorns earned the No. 2 seed in the Midwest Region against No. 15 seed Colgate in Des Moines, Iowa on Thursday. Terry got his head coaching start at Fresno State in 2011, taking a few years before turning around the program and winning 20+ games his last three seasons with the Bulldogs. He then took over at UTEP, going 37–48 (.435) overall and 19–33 (.365) in C-USA play in three seasons before moving over to Texas.

Mark Madsen, Utah Valley head coach, age 47

Madsen holds a record of 65–49 (.570) overall at Utah Valley and 38–25 (.528) in WAC conference play since taking over 4 years ago. Utah Valley went 23–7 overall and 14–3 in conference play, winning the WAC conference championship.

Utah Valley HC Mark Madsen.

The former Stanford power forward had a 9-year NBA career with the Timberwolves and Lakers and spent the preceding years as an assistant, most recently with the Lakers for 4 seasons before taking over at Utah Valley.

 

Amir Abdur-Rahim, Kennesaw State, age 43

Abdur-Rahim holds a record of 45–73 (.381) overall and 24–41 (.369) in ASUN conference, though after three tough seasons to start his coaching career taking over a program that had gone just 16-46 in the two prior seasons, the younger brother of former Cal star forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim had a breakthrough season this year, going 26–8 overall and 15–3 in conference, winning the conference this season and earning them a No. 14 seed in the Midwest bracket and will take on No. 3 seed Xavier Friday. Prior to his first head coaching job, Abdur-Rahim was an assistant at Georgia, Texas A&M and College of Charleston.

The next category of coaches are likely not available due to various reasons, including jobs that currently could be considered better opportunities, higher salaries that perhaps couldn’t be matched, buyouts that would be impossible to cover and other various factors.

Dennis Gates, Missouri head coach, age 43

Gates holds a record of 24–8 (.750) overall and 11–7 (.611) in SEC play in his first season after taking over for former Cal head coach Cuonzo Martin after the Tigers stagnated in his final

Missouri HC Dennis Gates

seasons there. The Tigers earned a 7th seed in the 2023 NCAA tourney where they’ll face 10th-seeded Utah State in the first round, playing as part of the South regional in Sacramento.  Gates got his start as a head coach at Cleveland State, going 50–40 (.556) overall and 38–21 (.644) in Horizon League play after taking over a program that had gone just 40-89 in the four seasons prior to his arrival. However Gates has a prohibitive buyout that would make it very difficult to afford him even if he wanted to come to Cal. Gates played for the Bears from 1998 to 2002 and was an assistant at Cal when he got his start in coaching as well as at Northern Illinois, Nevada and Florida State before taking over at Cleveland State.

Jamie Dixon, TCU head coach, age 53

Dixon holds a record of 138–95 (.592) overall and 51–73 (.411) in Big 12 play and 21-12 overall and 9-9 in Big 12 play this season, earning 6th seed in the 2023 NCAA tournament, facing the winner of the First Four matchup between Arizona State and Nevada. The winner of that matchup will be the 11th seed. Dixon guided the Horned Frogs to the NCAA tourney last season as well, reaching the round of 32. Dixon took over a TCU team that had gone 30-36 in the two seasons prior to taking over after posting an impressive 328–123 (.727) overall and 143–81 (.638) ACC record at Pitt before making the move to TCU. Dixon however was extended to 2028, making his buyout prohibitive.

Todd Golden, Florida head coach, age 37

Golden holds a record of 16–16 at Florida overall and 9–9 in SEC play since taking over the Gators program this season. He parlayed a record of 57–36 (.613) overall at USF and 23–22 (.511) in conference play to the Florida job. But with 5 years and a 15 million buyout, Golden is not a likely addition.

Chris Beard, former Texas head coach, age 50

Golden posted a record at his most recent stop at Texas of 29–13 (.690) overall and 10–8 (.556) in Big 12 conference play before being dismissed for accusations of physical violence with his fiancee that were later retracted by her. Prior to his brief stint at Texas, Beard went 112–55 (.671) overall and 49–40 (.551) in Big 12 conference play, going to the NCAA finals, the Great 8 and round of 32 in three of his four seasons there. Talk is heating up about Ole Miss making a strong pitch for him and even though the allegations were withdrawn against him, he could be a tricky hire at Cal.

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Potential Men's Basketball Coaching Candidates

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Bobodeluxe
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lol
Cal8285
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BeachedBear said:

All of the bilking and hazing of Fox is warranted, but I am so emotionally burnt by the last four years, that I'm going with SFCity on this one and trying to let it go.

I have complained about Fox as much as anyone, but it was purely about his coaching and what he failed to do. I've never met him and bear no ill will to him as a person. It seems best to move on. . . .


I get the need to let Fox go for your own sake. If you have been emotionally burnt by the last four years, then it is probably best to forget about it for awhile, even if you may be bilking and hazing Fox in another 10 years, like most of us discuss a lot of both good and bad things about Cal sports history. Preferably we spend more time talking about the good things from the past, but there is a tendency to talk more about the recent past, and there hasn't been much good from the recent past to discuss.

The combination of the Jones era and the hiring of Fox got me a lot more emotionally numb over the last 4 years, so I suspect I don't feel as scarred as you. I may be more emotionally able to not let it go, and it may be cathartic for me to continue to bilk and haze Fox, so SFCity shouldn't tell people like me to let it go, when he doesn't know from behind his computer what is best for me emotionally.

But it is really irritating when SFCity says "we won." Let's say a brigade of soldiers were led by a bad brigadier general, whose incompetence and failure to do his job led to 90% of the soldiers in the brigade being killed. If the brigadier general got sacked, you don't say, "We won, so don't kick the man when he is down." That isn't winning. Yes, some surviving soldiers may emotionally need to let it go, but SFCity needs to be understanding of those for those soldiers for whom it is cathartic to continue criticism of the job the lousy brigadier general did, as opposed to having sympathy for the brigadier general.

OK, being basketball fans isn't the same as being soldiers, but still, while I don't really feel ill will personally towards Fox, I sure don't have sympathy for him either as a) he didn't really put the effort into the job he should have, and b) he can go retire far richer than I'll ever be.
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Has the opening of the Knowlton et. al. investigation caused the lead donor's to take on a larger and formalized role in the decision making of the pending basketball coaching decision?

The article cited the California donor community has been a driving force in getting the California investigation started and moving. It is logical to assume that many of these influential alumnae donors have reduced confidence in Knowlton's process and control. Hopefully these important California stakeholders (donors) have increased their influence and control and are demanding their preferences, ideas and opinions be embedded in the pending coaching decision.

The Basketball program is expected to be a major revenue contributor to the Athletic Department and University. Under Knowlton's watch the program's financial contributions are at an embarrassing low. Leadership change is warranted.

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GoCal80
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I've been wondering, "How will Cal screw things up this time?" Now I know. An investigation into our AD has been launched right when he needs to be finding and hiring/recruiting/negotiating with a new coach. Classic Cal!
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GoCal80 said:

I've been wondering, "How will Cal screw things up this time?" Now I know. An investigation into our AD has been launched right when he needs to be finding and hiring/recruiting/negotiating with a new coach. Classic Cal!

Because the program's in such good shape with an incompetent boob running the show?
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BearGoggles said:

JimSox said:

MoragaBear said:

socaltownie said:

We are going to be forced to bring fox back.

What a ficking ****show. I mean this is horrible. No one is going to accept the mbb job because you simply do not know who your boss will be.
Highly doubtful that would be the case with almost any of the finalists.


And they are??
Listed and discussed on the insider board. Membership has its privileges..
Love this response!!! For only a few bucks.
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Lol *** why are people crying about sh*ting on Fox after hes been fired? Where was this "move on" talk after Wyking was a punching bad for years after he was fired?. I wonder why Fox gets a defense but Wyking never did? Fox is arguably the worst coach in our program's history. Something seems fishy…
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How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
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MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...
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Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.
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MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.


MB, i love you. Agreed that Fox deserves to get sh*t on for years to come. There is no moving on from this guy. He was the worst coach in our history and cratered our program with his stupid ways of doing things like handling the media. There's no sympathy for the damage this man has done.

As for how many people who said move on, I count the two posters and the people who starred their posts.
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panda said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.


MB, i love you. Agreed that Fox deserves to get sh*t on for years to come. There is no moving on from this guy. He was the worst coach in our history and cratered our program with his stupid ways of doing things like handling the media. There's no sympathy for the damage this man has done.

As for how many people who said move on, I count the two posters and the people who starred their posts.

I agree. I despise the man, and dislike the coach even more.
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panda said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.


MB, i love you. Agreed that Fox deserves to get sh*t on for years to come. There is no moving on from this guy. He was the worst coach in our history and cratered our program with his stupid ways of doing things like handling the media. There's no sympathy for the damage this man has done.

As for how many people who said move on, I count the two posters and the people who starred their posts.


How do you know the same people weren't ready to move on from Jones?
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panda said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.


MB, i love you. Agreed that Fox deserves to get sh*t on for years to come. There is no moving on from this guy. He was the worst coach in our history and cratered our program with his stupid ways of doing things like handling the media. There's no sympathy for the damage this man has done.

As for how many people who said move on, I count the two posters and the people who starred their posts.



And no sympathy for the guy who hired him - a blunder of epic magnitude.
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MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

This has been a well known issue. And as much as I blame Fox for this, Knowlton also deserves a heap of blame. Putting aside the recruiting failures - which were massive and catastrophic - press and fan outreach are 100% in the coach's control and help sell seats. Knowlton should have forced him to be more fan/press friendly or fired him years ago.
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MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

Of course, the media only had about 0.1% chance of talking to players after a win...
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BearGoggles said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

This has been a well known issue. And as much as I blame Fox for this, Knowlton also deserves a heap of blame. Putting aside the recruiting failures - which were massive and catastrophic - press and fan outreach are 100% in the coach's control and help sell seats. Knowlton should have forced him to be more fan/press friendly or fired him years ago.

Absolutely. You can't allow any of your head coaches to virtually ignore fans and media. That's his responsibility to manage.
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BearGoggles said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

This has been a well known issue. And as much as I blame Fox for this, Knowlton also deserves a heap of blame. Putting aside the recruiting failures - which were massive and catastrophic - press and fan outreach are 100% in the coach's control and help sell seats. Knowlton should have forced him to be more fan/press friendly or fired him years ago.
Right. You have some flexibility with a coach in terms of his/her personality, but, at the end of the day, you have to set a tone for a department, and how you are going to handle the landscape of media and social media.
IF you can't see those as opportunities, then you need to be an AD or a coach at a small school.
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MoragaBear said:

BearGoggles said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

This has been a well known issue. And as much as I blame Fox for this, Knowlton also deserves a heap of blame. Putting aside the recruiting failures - which were massive and catastrophic - press and fan outreach are 100% in the coach's control and help sell seats. Knowlton should have forced him to be more fan/press friendly or fired him years ago.

Absolutely. You can't allow any of your head coaches to virtually ignore fans and media. That's his responsibility to manage.


And if a coach is failing to do those things, and is losing record number of games, at a minimum you absolutely do not extend them for any reason.
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I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
Go Bears!
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Well Amir understands the importance of social media as he's very active

I can't understand how a coach doesn't use social media in 2023. I guess some think it's someone else's job or they think they are too busy

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BearGoggles said:

MoragaBear said:

Cabin14 said:

MoragaBear said:

How many people have said move on? One?

Pretty confident he will be a punching bag for years to come and deservedly so for what he did to the program.
Guy may never coach again...moving forward, it will be interesting to see how much of the Fox narrative revolves around the anti-Cal sentiments, or if his own clear limitations and stubbornness are the talking points...

There should be no narrative that spares him the criticism that he's gotten. It's a grave of his own digging. Lazy recruiter, not fan friendly and zero communication with media outside of the barest of obligations like post game interviews. I and the rest of the media were never allowed to speak to one assistant even one time in his 4 years at Cal and there were basically no interviews with the players outside of post game appearances, usually following a loss when nobody wanted to talk to the players anyway.

This has been a well known issue. And as much as I blame Fox for this, Knowlton also deserves a heap of blame. Putting aside the recruiting failures - which were massive and catastrophic - press and fan outreach are 100% in the coach's control and help sell seats. Knowlton should have forced him to be more fan/press friendly or fired him years ago.
Right. You have some flexibility with a coach in terms of his/her personality, but, at the end of the day, you have to set a tone for a department, and how you are going to handle the landscape of media and social media.
IF you can't see those as opportunities, then you need to be an AD or a coach at a small school.

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oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
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BearSD said:

oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
Agree. Why I favor AAR is that they did win a conference championship and he very likely can get some NIL $$ and the support of some key Cal hoops alumni. Johnson has done nice work at LMU. His path to a conference championship is difficult given that Gonzaga is a true college hoops heavyweight and St Marys is also very good and an NCAA tourney regular even as an at large.

I think both coaches are on the rise. I just believe AAR is the better choice at this time for Cal if those are the 2 candidates under consideration.
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Don't count out Conzo!
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With all due respect, Stop it. Caunzo Martin is not coming unless he wants an Asst. Coaching and that's not happening. He has not coached in a few years I believe he is a Great recruiter, good man, but doubt he and Cal are interested in one another.
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Gkhoury2325 said:

With all due respect, Stop it. Caunzo Martin is not coming unless he wants an Asst. Coaching and that's not happening. He has not coached in a few years I believe he is a Great recruiter, good man, but doubt he and Cal are interested in one another.

F Cal once, shame on Cuonzo Martin; F Cal twice, shame on Cal.
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6956bear said:

BearSD said:

oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
Agree. Why I favor AAR is that they did win a conference championship and he very likely can get some NIL $$ and the support of some key Cal hoops alumni. Johnson has done nice work at LMU. His path to a conference championship is difficult given that Gonzaga is a true college hoops heavyweight and St Marys is also very good and an NCAA tourney regular even as an at large.

I think both coaches are on the rise. I just believe AAR is the better choice at this time for Cal if those are the 2 candidates under consideration.


Agree with this. Amir, if he has assistants that have West Coast recruiting connections is the best. Cal connections and hot off the tournament. But Johnson is a good coach and will get better offers in the future. He would be good. Pasternack would have been fine.

But please, no Madsen. He is a good coach, great for Utah Valley, would have been good for Stanford or if the Utah State job opens again, but he would be a bad fit for Cal. I'm OK with Monty being one of many voices, but Monty should not be driving the bus here. It would be almost as bad as Bill Walsh giving us Tom Holmoe.
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Knowlton leaving us Madsen as he's shown the door is just poetic. Lol. Why not just have the Stanfurd tree coach the team?
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calumnus said:

6956bear said:

BearSD said:

oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
Agree. Why I favor AAR is that they did win a conference championship and he very likely can get some NIL $$ and the support of some key Cal hoops alumni. Johnson has done nice work at LMU. His path to a conference championship is difficult given that Gonzaga is a true college hoops heavyweight and St Marys is also very good and an NCAA tourney regular even as an at large.

I think both coaches are on the rise. I just believe AAR is the better choice at this time for Cal if those are the 2 candidates under consideration.


Agree with this. Amir, if he has assistants that have West Coast recruiting connections is the best. Cal connections and hot off the tournament. But Johnson is a good coach and will get better offers in the future. He would be good. Pasternack would have been fine.

But please, no Madsen. He is a good coach, great for Utah Valley, would have been good for Stanford or if the Utah State job opens again, but he would be a bad fit for Cal. I'm OK with Monty being one of many voices, but Monty should not be driving the bus here. It would be almost as bad as Bill Walsh giving us Tom Holmoe.
Monty is exactly the kind of guy a buffoon like Knowlton would rely on, which stinks because while he's obviously an excellent HC, Monty abhors recruiting and is anti-NIL and the transfer portal...he is literally the LAST person who should have Knowlton's ear, considering those 3 things are basically the most vital aspects of the Cal job right now.

I don't think Madsen is anti ANY of those things necessarily, but is that the type of thought process we want being the main influence of a simpleton like Knowlton? No.



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Cabin14 said:

calumnus said:

6956bear said:

BearSD said:

oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
Agree. Why I favor AAR is that they did win a conference championship and he very likely can get some NIL $$ and the support of some key Cal hoops alumni. Johnson has done nice work at LMU. His path to a conference championship is difficult given that Gonzaga is a true college hoops heavyweight and St Marys is also very good and an NCAA tourney regular even as an at large.

I think both coaches are on the rise. I just believe AAR is the better choice at this time for Cal if those are the 2 candidates under consideration.


Agree with this. Amir, if he has assistants that have West Coast recruiting connections is the best. Cal connections and hot off the tournament. But Johnson is a good coach and will get better offers in the future. He would be good. Pasternack would have been fine.

But please, no Madsen. He is a good coach, great for Utah Valley, would have been good for Stanford or if the Utah State job opens again, but he would be a bad fit for Cal. I'm OK with Monty being one of many voices, but Monty should not be driving the bus here. It would be almost as bad as Bill Walsh giving us Tom Holmoe.
Monty is exactly the kind of guy a buffoon like Knowlton would rely on, which stinks because while he's obviously an excellent HC, Monty abhors recruiting and is anti-NIL and the transfer portal...he is literally the LAST person who should have Knowlton's ear, considering those 3 things are basically the most vital aspects of the Cal job right now.

I don't think Madsen is anti ANY of those things necessarily, but is that the type of thought process we want being the main influence of a simpleton like Knowlton? No.



Monty not liking recruiting doesn't make him a buffoon though. The fact he hated it and could still win the pac-10 makes him the opposite of a buffoon. I'd rather have Monty's advice than the hot takes from the geniuses on the Bear Insider basketball forum lol.
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MinotStateBeav said:

Cabin14 said:

calumnus said:

6956bear said:

BearSD said:

oskidunker said:

I will not renew tickets if sub 500Coach Stan Johnson is named.
I am neutral on Johnson -- and his head coaching record is 43-39, not sub-.500 -- but let's understand the nature of the head coaching vacancy being filled here.

This is not a job where the goal is to find someone to keep the program at the top. This isn't like hiring Bill Self at Kansas, where the previous coach averaged 20 wins a year for 15 years and went to the final four his last two years there.

The idea here should be to find someone who is capable of taking a program in really bad shape and building it up to a winning record.

Loyola Marymount was 11-21 the year before Johnson's first year. This season, his third year at LMU, the team was 19-12.

Amir Abdur-Rahim took over a team that was 6-26 the year before his first year. This season, his fourth at Kennesaw, the team was 26-9. (By the way, if it matters to you, AAR has a sub-.500 head coaching record of 45-74.)

Both of these coaches have taken a bad program and made it better. If the decision is between the two of them, then it should come down to trying to figure out which of them can get the job done fairly quickly, at a place that is quite different from where they coached this season.
Agree. Why I favor AAR is that they did win a conference championship and he very likely can get some NIL $$ and the support of some key Cal hoops alumni. Johnson has done nice work at LMU. His path to a conference championship is difficult given that Gonzaga is a true college hoops heavyweight and St Marys is also very good and an NCAA tourney regular even as an at large.

I think both coaches are on the rise. I just believe AAR is the better choice at this time for Cal if those are the 2 candidates under consideration.


Agree with this. Amir, if he has assistants that have West Coast recruiting connections is the best. Cal connections and hot off the tournament. But Johnson is a good coach and will get better offers in the future. He would be good. Pasternack would have been fine.

But please, no Madsen. He is a good coach, great for Utah Valley, would have been good for Stanford or if the Utah State job opens again, but he would be a bad fit for Cal. I'm OK with Monty being one of many voices, but Monty should not be driving the bus here. It would be almost as bad as Bill Walsh giving us Tom Holmoe.
Monty is exactly the kind of guy a buffoon like Knowlton would rely on, which stinks because while he's obviously an excellent HC, Monty abhors recruiting and is anti-NIL and the transfer portal...he is literally the LAST person who should have Knowlton's ear, considering those 3 things are basically the most vital aspects of the Cal job right now.

I don't think Madsen is anti ANY of those things necessarily, but is that the type of thought process we want being the main influence of a simpleton like Knowlton? No.



Monty not liking recruiting doesn't make him a buffoon though. The fact he hated it and could still win the pac-10 makes him the opposite of a buffoon. I'd rather have Monty's advice than the hot takes from the geniuses on the Bear Insider basketball forum lol.



Read what he wrote again.

He is calling Knowlton a buffoon, not Monty.

And from what I've heard this was more Knowlton again hiring the guy HE was most comfortable with and using Monty's endorsement of Madsen as his justification.
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Holy smokes what a snag by Joe P.




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Holy smokes what a snag by Joe P.


2.1 points and 1.4 rebounds per game as a frosh
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MoragaBear said:

BC Calfan said:

Holy smokes what a snag by Joe P.


2.1 points and 1.4 rebounds per game as a frosh


Playing less than 10 minutes behind sophomore Johni Broome who came in via the Portal and lead Auburn in scoring making second team All SEC in his first year.

There is no need to denigrate him. He is a great, great get for Pasternack and UCSB, similar and arguably better (since it is UCSB) than our getting Sam Jackson from TCU.
 
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