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Cal's Athletic Future - And what FOX Sports and others are missing

August 12, 2023
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In the next seven days, Cal believes it will have a clear answer to its athletic future.  Will the ACC offer admission?   Will the Big Ten come up with enough of a financial commitment to make Cal viable?   Or will Cal be forced to remain in a reimagined Pac-12 whose members will primarily be Group of 5 members from the American and Mountain West Conference?

Let’s start with setting some context.  And that doesn’t include how we got here and who and what may be to blame for the current situation.    What’s relevant is where we are today and how Cal can emerge in a place that preserves the scope and ambition of its athletic endeavors and the essential yet ephemeral connection it provides the world’s leading public institution of higher learning to its students, alumni, and donors.   The other helpful backdrop is that college football is in the middle of an increasingly accelerating realization that it is better defined as a multi-billion dollar media business rather than a bastion of amateur athletics.

Without opining on whether this is a positive change for the constituencies involved or not, let’s accept this is our reality.  And that for at least two decades, Cal and many other schools have supported a diverse number of sports on the backs of the revenue being generated by Football and to a far lesser extent Men’s Basketball.   That revenue became an entitlement that has shifted the decision-making power of college athletics from the hands of University presidents to those of Sports Network executives.   And the status quo of powerful conferences and their highly paid commissioners only adds to the underbrush that delays what is inevitable.

A unified BCS Football organization that can manage broader TV rights would be to the benefit of all of the schools, overseeing the competitive dynamics to create an even playing field inclusive of NIL, the transfer portal, and the operation of the highly lucrative and fan-pleasing 8+ team playoff.  In the wake of Cal finding itself on the wrong side of a game of musical chairs, the imperative becomes ensuring that it has a place in this future entity.   Unfortunately, this is not a situation where time and patience will create that reality.   A single season for Cal outside the BCS will almost certainly prove fatal to its ability to retain its student-athletes, support their non-revenue sports, and sustain the donor and fan interest that are the lifeblood of the athletic department.

Cal is not alone, their long-time rival Stanford finds itself in the same predicament.   And whilst the financial dynamics are different for the two schools, they are working in lockstep to preserve the future of their athletic departments.    It’s my understanding that there is robust communication and alignment of interest between soon-to-be retired Chancellor Christ and Stanford interim President Richard Saller.

Both schools have made joining the B10 the top priority with the ACC a less ideal lifeline.  The options beyond that are simply different takes that would best remind one of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  According to multiple sources, the B10 Presidents are in strong support of the additions of Stanford and Cal.  The overwhelming logic of the school's academic credentials, the opportunity to meaningfully mitigate the travel requirements for the other West Coast B10 members, and access to the Bay Area’s media markets which are rife with the alumni of the historic and future members of the B10.

The impediment is that FOX Sports does not believe the additional allocation of capital for Cal and Stanford is worth the value that they will bring.  Thus, they are not willing to offer anything even remotely in the neighborhood of what Oregon and UW have been committed.  Whilst one can argue that Cal and Stanford should be near-term immune to the financials given the chance that there will be no life raft of any value remaining, the reality is that simply being a member of the Big10 (or any conference) is not a sufficiency.  The B10 does not want wildly uncompetitive members, whilst the value of being a BCS school for Cal and Stanford becomes only optics and the dire consequences to athletic department revenue, fan, and donor interest remain.

As has been reported by ESPN and others, the ACC needs 12 of their current 15 schools to approve any new additions and currently, the Bay Area schools are one vote shy of meeting that requirement.  The ACC provides a potential bridge to the final evolution of BCS football yet in almost every other way imaginable is problematic.    No West Coast pod means travel requirements will be beyond onerous and highly expensive further reducing the value of the revenue stream they provide.

I’m told that one certainty in a situation where very little can be relied on is that regardless of the outcome of Cal’s conference affiliation, the school will be forced to reduce the number of sports it supports.  In my mind, this is a long overdue albeit painful measure needed to ensure the long-term viability of the athletic department.

As Chancellor Christ, AD Jim Knowlton, and their advisors burn up the phone and zoom lines between now and Friday, the fulcrum of their efforts will be focused on convincing the media experts who are currently unconvinced that Cal and Stanford will add significant revenue heft to their TV deals.  In my mind, those folks have short memories and limited imaginations.  To wit:

  • The commonly repeated narrative that Cal doesn’t invest in its football and basketball programs is stale news that no longer reflects reality.  This isn’t to say that the University has made the necessary commitments over the past dozen years, but rather that Cal’s donor base has bridged the gap such that Cal’s total football budget now finds itself in the top half of the Pac-12 of 2023 (inclusive of USC and UCLA).   That takes into account coaching salaries, the size, and salaries of the support staff, recruiting budgets, etc.
  • Cal’s NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal.   The proof is obvious given the success that both Men’s Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal
  • The changes above are recent and should start to show up in success on the football field and basketball court these upcoming seasons, reigniting the fan base and meaningfully changing the calculus of any TV viewership analysis
  • Only five short years ago, Stanford was a national power in football with regular appearances in the Rose Bowl.   Less than fifteen years ago, Jeff Tedford led Cal to a seven-year run of national prominence as the clear 2nd best program in the Pac-10 behind only Pete Carrol’s storied USC program.   And most importantly, Cal’s TV ratings and game attendance during that period were top-tier by any relative measure
  • Cal has one of the largest alumni bases in the country and one of the wealthiest.  The potential value of those eyeballs should not be lost on FOX or other media networks.  Stanford’s are even wealthier albeit it against a smaller and less engaged fan base
  • The Bay Area is the nation’s 7th largest media market and it’s home to hundred’s of thousands of alums of Ohio State, Virginia, Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, et al not to mention UCLA, USC, UW, and Oregon.  That’s an audience that is going to care about Stanford and Cal as they are their opponents and rivals within their conference.
  • Beyond the revenue sports, the ACC and B10 networks need shoulder content and the value of Cal and Stanford’s Olympic sports offerings is as good as any two schools in the nation.  Not to mention the media value and inclusion of the star-studded alums in the NFL, NBA, and MLB from the two schools
  • It’s an understandable concern from the networks and members of the ACC and B10 that Cal and Stanford’s administrations may not be as fully committed to their revenue sports as they would like.  However, the answer is as simple as asking the question.  The leaders at both schools now have the type of fulsome clarity which only the potential extinction of their current athletic departments can provide.   Christ and Saller can and should lay out for their potential partners how they plan to invest in football and basketball, not only to help them be relevant on the national stage but to effectively buttress the capital needed for their non-revenue sports.  As pointed out above, Cal can point to its near-term cutting of non-revenue sports as well as its passionate and deep-pocketed donor base as well as the historical embrace of a winning team by its fans to underscore their potential as part of their forward-looking plan

This next week is going to be a roller coaster ride that has no rails and one in which Cal does not control its own fate.   The hope is that the TV execs and potential new conference partners can think long-term and take the time to truly understand the value of having Cal as part of the future of College sports.

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Cal's Athletic Future - And what FOX Sports and others are missing

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Econ141
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This is an alarming write up. We expect Carol and King James "the Clown" Knowlton, convince the media that Cal football is worth it when they themselves never took it seriously?

Sorry, we are F'd. Fox sports definitely is aware of all the points referenced, and is choosing to keep them out in spite of that. It was too little too late for Jim and Carol to all of a sudden start caring.

Sad end to something I loved despite how much suffering it caused. The Cal admin is getting the ending it deserved: not the ending Cal fans deserved.
LunchTime
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Why does everyone associated with Cal always point to how well it should be doing and how large its viewership should be?

Isn't it a negative that Cal has an extremely large and wealthy alumni base, and no one cares about football? That is why FOX doesnt see value. Because Cal doesnt own the Bay Area viewers. UCLA, USC and Oregon do.

The entire argument is like going to an investor with "if we only capture 1% of the market..."
Oh wow! How long have you been in business? "100 years"
Have you captured 1%? "Not even close"
Do you have any plans to capture it? "We are alienating them as we speak. It makes our Academics look better"
If we invest how will you use that investment to get to 1%? "Your investment will ensure we dont need to capture that 1%"

Cal needs to show that it, fundamentally, has changed the engagement between the university and the athletic department. That it is able to engage those alumni beyond hat wearing.


This is just a list of bullet points on why FOX is right.
randythebear
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I think Chip Kelly has the right idea:

https://www.si.com/college/2023/08/10/ucla-chip-kelly-pitches-notre-dame-inspired-realignment-idea?fbclid=IwAR2qOyeRTbVBteaMByJ1h0SnRIdeCENT7l8If1sQI8tHGuloOoycoMt7T3A_aem_Ac667hMTS4cLxjUf4_xCCrGlm-3oQN_3tqyawrpLZb8BpAa5B_iDGKXRODxKqqZIlkg&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
Bobodeluxe
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StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
Honesty is overrated.
HKBear97!
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LunchTime said:

Why does everyone associated with Cal always point to how well it should be doing and how large its viewership should be?

Isn't it a negative that Cal has an extremely large and wealthy alumni base, and no one cares about football? That is why FOX doesnt see value. Because Cal doesnt own the Bay Area viewers. UCLA, USC and Oregon do.

The entire argument is like going to an investor with "if we only capture 1% of the market..."
Oh wow! How long have you been in business? "100 years"
Have you captured 1%? "Not even close"
Do you have any plans to capture it? "We are alienating them as we speak. It makes our Academics look better"
If we invest how will you use that investment to get to 1%? "Your investment will ensure we dont need to capture that 1%"

Cal needs to show that it, fundamentally, has changed the engagement between the university and the athletic department. That it is able to engage those alumni beyond hat wearing.


This is just a list of bullet points on why FOX is right.


It's the same "Cal is a sleeping giant" spiel we hear year after year after year.
CAL4LIFE
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Nice PR piece.

I think a better tact would be....



to call Fox and ask for mercy.

Maybe send them the 2007 Cal-Tenn game tape with the promise that you will get back to basics and stop *******izing the gameday experience.

Maybe ****can Knowlton and beg Shareef Abdur-Rahim to takeover as AD.

But I could be wrong.

Good luck!

Or is that Good Oliver Luck?




BearGreg
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LunchTime said:



The entire argument is like going to an investor with "if we only capture 1% of the market..."
Oh wow! How long have you been in business? "100 years"
Have you captured 1%? "Not even close"
Do you have any plans to capture it? "We are alienating them as we speak. It makes our Academics look better"
If we invest how will you use that investment to get to 1%? "Your investment will ensure we dont need to capture that 1%"


When Jeff Tedford was Cal's HC (and at times in the 1990s as well) Cal did have a large in-person and TV audience. It's not pure potential, it's potential that became a reality in the not-too-distant past.
BearGreg
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StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country
StarsDoMatter
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BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country



Welp, I'm glad to be wrong about the transfers… Solid ranking.
Econ141
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We've had over a YEAR to inform the media on all of the above points. If Jim and Carol haven't done that then it's not the media that is failing to understand it. It is f'ing Carol and Jim. Screw them - they will always be the duo that killed Cal football. I would have done a better job this past year making the case for Cal than these two clowns.
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HKBear97! said:

LunchTime said:

Why does everyone associated with Cal always point to how well it should be doing and how large its viewership should be?

Isn't it a negative that Cal has an extremely large and wealthy alumni base, and no one cares about football? That is why FOX doesnt see value. Because Cal doesnt own the Bay Area viewers. UCLA, USC and Oregon do.

The entire argument is like going to an investor with "if we only capture 1% of the market..."
Oh wow! How long have you been in business? "100 years"
Have you captured 1%? "Not even close"
Do you have any plans to capture it? "We are alienating them as we speak. It makes our Academics look better"
If we invest how will you use that investment to get to 1%? "Your investment will ensure we dont need to capture that 1%"

Cal needs to show that it, fundamentally, has changed the engagement between the university and the athletic department. That it is able to engage those alumni beyond hat wearing.


This is just a list of bullet points on why FOX is right.


It's the same "Cal is a sleeping giant" spiel we hear year after year after year.


Administrative incompetence and lack of vision and a tolerance for losing on the part of our non-Cal leadership continues year after year. Jim Knowlton was the worst AD at the worst time.
Econ141
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"The hope is that the TV execs and potential new conference partners can think long-term and take the time to truly understand the value of having Cal as part of the future of College sports."

It's finally come down to this ... Just hope. If the B1G hasn't come around by now, they ain't coming. The ACC is a waste of time. The hiring of a consultant already tells you that neither the ACC or the B1G will call this week.
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BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country


And yet the media picked Cal to finish near the bottom of the PAC-12 and most betting sites have us missing a bowl game yet again. When you look at what Cal has done in a vacuum, it seems like progress, but not when you take our competition into consideration.

Bottom line, the conferences and media companies have done the math and determined Cal adds little to no value.
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HKBear97! said:

BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country


And yet the media picked Cal to finish near the bottom of the PAC-12 and most betting sites have us missing a bowl game yet again. When you look at what Cal has done in a vacuum, it seems like progress, but not when you take our competition into consideration.

Bottom line, the conferences and media companies have done the math and determined Cal adds little to no value.


There's more to a team than a transfer class. We weren't starting with very much elite talent. Much of our talent transferred OUT, and our freshman class was mediocre by ratings standards. So it's reasonable to expect that we'd struggle yet again this year, but it seems like this group is a lot more talented than years past. The D is extraordinary, and if the offense is Dykes-like, we'll really surprise this year.
FireFighterBest
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Agree with this analysis and appreciate the facts.
Econ141
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I don't understand this:

"The B10 does not want wildly uncompetitive members, whilst the value of being a BCS school for Cal and Stanford becomes only optics and the dire consequences to athletic department revenue, fan, and donor interest remain."

We are already better at football than their bottom 3-4 schools. Even if we take a low ball offer it is better than anything else. And guess what if we become competitive in football, we can then start to support more sports again. Any other option and everything just dies.
JimSox
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Great responses to this post. An onslaught of negativity. And mostly from the same blaringly loud voices. Really hard to read.
calumnus
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HKBear97! said:

BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country


And yet the media picked Cal to finish near the bottom of the PAC-12 and most betting sites have us missing a bowl game yet again. When you look at what Cal has done in a vacuum, it seems like progress, but not when you take our competition into consideration.

Bottom line, the conferences and media companies have done the math and determined Cal adds little to no value.


ESPN would pay the ACC full shares for Cal and Stanford and is pushing the deal, offering to also cover travel expenses. It is 4 schools that are blocking that deal, not ESPN, presumably because they want an even better deal. Apple still wants to do a deal with us.
Fox is the one that seems determined to "refuse to deal" and may be claiming we bring no value. We don't know how the negotiations are going, we don't know if Fox has other motives.
Golden One
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bearsandgiants said:

HKBear97! said:

BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country


And yet the media picked Cal to finish near the bottom of the PAC-12 and most betting sites have us missing a bowl game yet again. When you look at what Cal has done in a vacuum, it seems like progress, but not when you take our competition into consideration.

Bottom line, the conferences and media companies have done the math and determined Cal adds little to no value.


There's more to a team than a transfer class. We weren't starting with very much elite talent. Much of our talent transferred OUT, and our freshman class was mediocre by ratings standards. So it's reasonable to expect that we'd struggle yet again this year, but it seems like this group is a lot more talented than years past. The D is extraordinary, and if the offense is Dykes-like, we'll really surprise this year.
Time will tell how good the defense is. I think calling them "extraordinary" in mid-August is really stretching it. Hopefully, they are at least pretty good, as that would be a heckuva improvement over last season.
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Golden One said:

bearsandgiants said:

HKBear97! said:

BearGreg said:

StarsDoMatter said:

"Cal's NIL Collective is among the largest and most viable in the Pac-12 and arguably would be in the top half of a newly formed B10 inclusive of Stanford and Cal. The proof is obvious given the success that both Men's Basketball and Football had this past offseason in the portal"

You have to be kidding?!

Our transfer portal "success" is mediocre at best. Recruiting might the worst it's ever been.

We need to be honest with ourselves.
247 ranked Cal's Tranfer Class in 2023 15th nationally
On3 ranked the same transfer football clas 24th nationally

In basketball, On3 ranked Cal's basketball class 7th in the country
247 ranked the class 18th in the country


And yet the media picked Cal to finish near the bottom of the PAC-12 and most betting sites have us missing a bowl game yet again. When you look at what Cal has done in a vacuum, it seems like progress, but not when you take our competition into consideration.

Bottom line, the conferences and media companies have done the math and determined Cal adds little to no value.


There's more to a team than a transfer class. We weren't starting with very much elite talent. Much of our talent transferred OUT, and our freshman class was mediocre by ratings standards. So it's reasonable to expect that we'd struggle yet again this year, but it seems like this group is a lot more talented than years past. The D is extraordinary, and if the offense is Dykes-like, we'll really surprise this year.
Time will tell how good the defense is. I think calling them "extraordinary" in mid-August is really stretching it. Hopefully, they are at least pretty good, as that would be a heckuva improvement over last season.
They haven't given up a point yet.
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Christ needs to get on TikTok and burn the "Chancellors Report" while telling the B1G we'll pay our own way except we keep 100% of our own CFP earnings. Have Marshawn in there. Maybe Jaylen. Do something. Make a splash and send a strong signal you're serious. Not sitting at a table or desk. Hire a legit marketing firm and go big.

Bonus points if there's a follow up announcing Knowlton has been placed on admin leave and introducing our new "interim" AD with deep ties to and a strong track record in football.
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Bobodeluxe said:

Golden One said:

bearsandgiants said:




So it's reasonable to expect that we'd struggle yet again this year, but it seems like this group is a lot more talented than years past. The D is extraordinary, and if the offense is Dykes-like, we'll really surprise this year.
Time will tell how good the defense is. I think calling them "extraordinary" in mid-August is really stretching it. Hopefully, they are at least pretty good, as that would be a heckuva improvement over last season.
They haven't given up a point yet.
True, but they haven't won any games for us yet either.
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Seriously what are people on? Did y'all forget your meds or coffee?

Lost talent?

The only talent we lost is the WR who shall not be named. For every player that left a new one was brought with a much higher ceiling.

Are we forgetting the close games last year? Some pretty good recruits in recent times that are still in the team?

Seriously. Being this negative is not going to get us anywhere.
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Ask any poligician
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I'll admit I've kind of drifted away from Growls and pulling up these responses . . . yikes guys. BG wrote a compelling and factual piece. And yet people respond saying our transfer portal ranking stinks and our NIL is a failure? Most of our talent transferred out? Seriously? Are you guys even following the program?

This isn't about why we are where we are. To be honest where we are is in a world of trouble and we have no one but ourselves (well no one except ourselves and Larry Scott and we're kind of responsible for him too) to blame. The fact that the flagship university of the largest and wealthiest state in the union is on the outside looking in as realignment madness unfolds is ridiculous. We underinvested in our revenue sports (particularly football) for decades and then were shocked that we stunk . . . for decades. We did this. We should be an absolute no brainer for this round of consolidation. And the one that is going to follow in a few years. But instead we are basically fighting for a lifeline to prove that we are finally (FINALLY!) willing to embrace and understand how the game has changed and can participate in modern college athletics.

The sad part of this timing is that things really have changed as BG notes The certificate program allowing us to retain our grad students and attract other talented athletes who want a grad certificate is a game changer. That's only a couple years old. The Caliber fund (which started in earnest last year) and which is adding millions each and every year to our football budget is a game changer. Our nutrition program has been completely revised. We have one of the best and most well funded NIL's in the (old) Pac. We have added housing, parking, academic support, recruiting resources, social media personnel, etc., etc. All to make football more competitive. And unfortunately all coming just a bit too late to show the results on the field for this round of realignment.

We need Fox and the Big and ESPN and the ACC to look at what we've done to prove we are serious about creating a truly competitive program. Should we have to ask them to squint to see our potential? Shouldn't we have been doing all of this stuff years ago when it became obvious we were falling behind. Absolutely. But unfortunately we didn't until recently.

And yet we ultimately did make changes and have every reason to be optimistic those will bear fruit. We just need a break here. And if we still stink in 5 years? Well they can (and probably should) leave us out then when football realignment reaches its inevitable apotheosis. But today Cal deserves a shot. We are fighting to get that.
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Sebastabear said:

I'll admit I've kind of drifted away from Growls and pulling up these responses . . . yikes guys. BG wrote a compelling and factual piece. And yet people respond saying our transfer portal ranking stinks and our NIL is a failure? Most of our talent transferred out? Seriously? Are you guys even following the program?

This isn't about why we are where we are. To be honest where we are is in a world of trouble and we have no one but ourselves (well no one except ourselves and Larry Scott and we're kind of responsible for him too) to blame. The fact that the flagship university of the largest and wealthiest state in the union is on the outside looking in as realignment madness unfolds is ridiculous. We underinvested in our revenue sports (particularly football) for decades and then were shocked that we stunk . . . for decades. We did this. We should be an absolute no brainer for this round of consolidation. And the one that is going to follow in a few years. But instead we are basically fighting for a lifeline to prove that we are finally (FINALLY!) willing to embrace and understand how the game has changed and can participate in modern college athletics.

The sad part of this timing is that things really have changed as BG notes The certificate program allowing us to retain our grad students and attract other talented athletes who want a grad certificate is a game changer. That's only a couple years old. The Caliber fund (which started in earnest last year) and which is adding millions each and every year to our football budget is a game changer. Our nutrition program has been completely revised. We have one of the best and most well funded NIL's in the (old) Pac. We have added housing, parking, academic support, recruiting resources, social media personnel, etc., etc. All to make football more competitive. And unfortunately all coming just a bit too late to show the results on the field for this round of realignment.

We need Fox and the Big and ESPN and the ACC to look at what we've done to prove we are serious about creating a truly competitive program. Should we have to ask them to squint to see our potential? Shouldn't we have been doing all of this stuff years ago when it became obvious we were falling behind. Absolutely. But unfortunately we didn't until recently.

And yet we ultimately did make changes and have every reason to be optimistic those will bear fruit. We just need a break here. And if we still stink in 5 years? Well they can (and probably should) leave us out then when football realignment reaches its inevitable apotheosis. But today Cal deserves a shot. We are fighting to get that.


Always appreciate your insight. It seems like too little too late and hour concern only amplifies my anxiousness.

One point if you wouldn't mind clarifying. When you say "we fighting to get that" - who is the we? Is it Jim and Carol going solo (zero confidence on them) on this fight? Is it others like yourselves and big donors that are part of the "we"?
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I'll admit I've kind of drifted away from Growls and pulling up these responses . . . yikes guys. BG wrote a compelling and factual piece. And yet people respond saying our transfer portal ranking stinks and our NIL is a failure? Most of our talent transferred out? Seriously? Are you guys even following the program?

This isn't about why we are where we are. To be honest where we are is in a world of trouble and we have no one but ourselves (well no one except ourselves and Larry Scott and we're kind of responsible for him too) to blame. The fact that the flagship university of the largest and wealthiest state in the union is on the outside looking in as realignment madness unfolds is ridiculous. We underinvested in our revenue sports (particularly football) for decades and then were shocked that we stunk . . . for decades. We did this. We should be an absolute no brainer for this round of consolidation. And the one that is going to follow in a few years. But instead we are basically fighting for a lifeline to prove that we are finally (FINALLY!) willing to embrace and understand how the game has changed and can participate in modern college athletics.

The sad part of this timing is that things really have changed as BG notes The certificate program allowing us to retain our grad students and attract other talented athletes who want a grad certificate is a game changer. That's only a couple years old. The Caliber fund (which started in earnest last year) and which is adding millions each and every year to our football budget is a game changer. Our nutrition program has been completely revised. We have one of the best and most well funded NIL's in the (old) Pac. We have added housing, parking, academic support, recruiting resources, social media personnel, etc., etc. All to make football more competitive. And unfortunately all coming just a bit too late to show the results on the field for this round of realignment.

We need Fox and the Big and ESPN and the ACC to look at what we've done to prove we are serious about creating a truly competitive program. Should we have to ask them to squint to see our potential? Shouldn't we have been doing all of this stuff years ago when it became obvious we were falling behind. Absolutely. But unfortunately we didn't until recently.

And yet we ultimately did make changes and have every reason to be optimistic those will bear fruit. We just need a break here. And if we still stink in 5 years? Well they can (and probably should) leave us out then when football realignment reaches its inevitable apotheosis. But today Cal deserves a shot. We are fighting to get that.


This is a great post and I'm sorry if my post was misunderstood. I think we'll be very good this year, but I don't think basing it on our transfer rating makes a ton of sense. It was great, but we brought in 20 and lost 26, plus everyone who graduated, and our incoming class has some great talent, but it's not a top rated freshman class. That's all I was trying to point out. In spite of this, which given how bad our seasons have been, we still have a great team poised to surprise this year.

https://247sports.com/season/2023-football/transferportal/
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Well, cal fans always had a bit of a defeatist streak to us.

I'm hoping we put a smackdown on auburn (after please not losing to UNT) that forces some people to take notice. I will reserve emotional reaction - one way or the other - until post that
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BearGreg said:

LunchTime said:



The entire argument is like going to an investor with "if we only capture 1% of the market..."
Oh wow! How long have you been in business? "100 years"
Have you captured 1%? "Not even close"
Do you have any plans to capture it? "We are alienating them as we speak. It makes our Academics look better"
If we invest how will you use that investment to get to 1%? "Your investment will ensure we dont need to capture that 1%"


When Jeff Tedford was Cal's HC (and at times in the 1990s as well) Cal did have a large in-person and TV audience. It's not pure potential, it's potential that became a reality in the not-too-distant past.

I am not sure I agree with the argument. Cal did have some strong attendance through the Tedford years. But then absolutely squandered it. We have had one (or two) seasons with season over season improvement since the mid-Tedford years, and it was because Dykes couldnt win here, and people were excited he was fired...

Does Cal have attendance and relevance when it wins? Sure. What team doesnt, though?

More than our intermittent and rare success, we have a consistent lack of institutional support, from the university supporting the AD, to student indoctrination, alumni outreach etc. Everything is geared away from being successful. WE can change that. FOX isnt wrong to see if we are willing.

NIL and money flowing to our Football team is good, but its about 5 years late for this negotiation. We need the evidence of success to negotiate, not the promise of change, that may bare fruit. I hope the effort those who REALLY care about the program pays off, because a few people care and dedicate an enormous amount of time. But the reality is: the B1G wants Cal. FOX doesnt. I dont see these arguments changing their view.
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You do realize that Kennedy (bear insider) started the legends collective right?
And it's only about a year old.
It has a lot of money and imho I would argue that the effect of its presence has been positive on both the transfer portal and recruiting in general in the year or so it's been in effect.
If you're looking purely at football recruiting you have to understand that Wilcox has never recruited well. But that is an indictment on Wilcox as a recruiter not on our nil ability.
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bearsandgiants said:

Sebastabear said:

I'll admit I've kind of drifted away from Growls and pulling up these responses . . . yikes guys. BG wrote a compelling and factual piece. And yet people respond saying our transfer portal ranking stinks and our NIL is a failure? Most of our talent transferred out? Seriously? Are you guys even following the program?

This isn't about why we are where we are. To be honest where we are is in a world of trouble and we have no one but ourselves (well no one except ourselves and Larry Scott and we're kind of responsible for him too) to blame. The fact that the flagship university of the largest and wealthiest state in the union is on the outside looking in as realignment madness unfolds is ridiculous. We underinvested in our revenue sports (particularly football) for decades and then were shocked that we stunk . . . for decades. We did this. We should be an absolute no brainer for this round of consolidation. And the one that is going to follow in a few years. But instead we are basically fighting for a lifeline to prove that we are finally (FINALLY!) willing to embrace and understand how the game has changed and can participate in modern college athletics.

The sad part of this timing is that things really have changed as BG notes The certificate program allowing us to retain our grad students and attract other talented athletes who want a grad certificate is a game changer. That's only a couple years old. The Caliber fund (which started in earnest last year) and which is adding millions each and every year to our football budget is a game changer. Our nutrition program has been completely revised. We have one of the best and most well funded NIL's in the (old) Pac. We have added housing, parking, academic support, recruiting resources, social media personnel, etc., etc. All to make football more competitive. And unfortunately all coming just a bit too late to show the results on the field for this round of realignment.

We need Fox and the Big and ESPN and the ACC to look at what we've done to prove we are serious about creating a truly competitive program. Should we have to ask them to squint to see our potential? Shouldn't we have been doing all of this stuff years ago when it became obvious we were falling behind. Absolutely. But unfortunately we didn't until recently.

And yet we ultimately did make changes and have every reason to be optimistic those will bear fruit. We just need a break here. And if we still stink in 5 years? Well they can (and probably should) leave us out then when football realignment reaches its inevitable apotheosis. But today Cal deserves a shot. We are fighting to get that.


This is a great post and I'm sorry if my post was misunderstood. I think we'll be very good this year, but I don't think basing it on our transfer rating makes a ton of sense. It was great, but we brought in 20 and lost 26, plus everyone who graduated, and our incoming class has some great talent, but it's not a top rated freshman class. That's all I was trying to point out. In spite of this, which given how bad our seasons have been, we still have a great team poised to surprise this year.

https://247sports.com/season/2023-football/transferportal/



All good and my apologies if my post came across as overly strident. I am just in full on ranting mode. Every time I have to rebut the (what I view as) insane suggestion that Cal can spend a couple years in some Frankenstein amalgamation with the mountain west, or the AAC, and then be reconsidered in the next round of consolidation.

Bottom line if we don't get in now we won't have the resources to ever compete again. Our donations which are a disproportionate amount of our budget already, aregoing to go to zero. Our collective will collapse. And we will be trying to operate as a flagship public school on a mountain west media budget. It's a joke. Big Ten or ACC or bust. I'd rather shut it down now than pretend like one of these other options are viable.

On the who is fighting question posed above, there are a lot of Cal alums with significant media and government influence. I know of a number of people who are furiously lobbying some of the key decision makers behind the scenes. But ultimately, this is Carol Christ's show. She is going to deserve the lion share of the credit or the blame, depending on how this shakes out.
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Some good info - don't know the credibility of the source but it alludes to the dire situation that we now face. Sun is setting.


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LunchTime said:




Does Cal have attendance and relevance when it wins? Sure. What team doesnt, though?
Stanford

Addendum: It's about the upside on revenue (TV ratings, donations, etc) when a team wins. With Stanford, that's been historically very low, and ditto for Washington State, Oregon State, and many other P5 programs. Conversely, with Cal, it's very high.
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My firends have basically the same information.

My understanding is that if they let in Cal and Furd, that opens up agreements where FSU and Clemson have opportunity to leave to the B1G or SEC. The value of the ACC tanks with travel and lack of big names.

They say B1G really wants Cal and Furd. FOX has zero interest in Cal and Furd.


The quote I heard was, "FOX chopped off the B1G's balls."
 
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