okaydo said:
Cal is No. 10.
https://texags.com/s/38844/the-grass-isnt-always-greener-ten-worst-head-coach-firings-since-2000
We have already been over this ground too many times.okaydo said:
Cal is No. 10.
https://texags.com/s/38844/the-grass-isnt-always-greener-ten-worst-head-coach-firings-since-2000
GivemTheAxe said:We have already been over this ground too many times.okaydo said:
Cal is No. 10.
https://texags.com/s/38844/the-grass-isnt-always-greener-ten-worst-head-coach-firings-since-2000
JT was fired not only because of the 3-9 season. There were other reasons (mostly due to the horrible academic performance of the team and recruits, pressure from the academic side of Cal, and a loss of support among many team members). The 3-9 season just made it impossible for the AD to resist the calls for his firing.
I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
I went to Cal Camp for several years, for which most the camp director was coach Mike White. Used to get up early to get coffee before breakfast at the place where people congregated after the evening entertainment.run2win said:I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
I've missed Mike White since the day he left. The program's rarely had the same personality to it since.Gobears49 said:I went to Cal Camp for several years, for which most the camp director was coach Mike White. Used to get up early to get coffee before breakfast at the place where people congregated after the evening entertainment.run2win said:I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
Had a few discussions with Coach White. Once asked him who his best QB was a college coach (White also coached successfully at Illinois, where he coached several good QB's, Jack Trudeau, Tony Eason, and David Wilson). Of course, he also coached Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo, and Joe Roth at Cal.
He didn't hesitate and said "Joe Roth."
heartofthebear said:
I wonder what folks here think Tedford would have done in the 8 years since. Would he have done better, worse or about the same? The write up implies that Cal did worse because he departed. I'm not sure that's the reason. Tedford coached at a time when the pac-10 was kind of weak and, as it strengthened, his record got worse.
The conference has gotten worse again, which may be part of why Wilcox seems to have improved the team, not that I'm a hater or anything. Just a thought.
Tedford's firing seems bad mostly because of who replaced him. Not that I'm a hater or anything.
I mean if Cal had hired someone really great, I don't know that Tedford shows up on that list at all.
We have to remember that Cal's athletic department wasn't exactly state-of-the-art when finding, hiring and retaining great football coaches.
heartofthebear said:I've missed Mike White since the day he left. The program's rarely had the same personality to it since.Gobears49 said:I went to Cal Camp for several years, for which most the camp director was coach Mike White. Used to get up early to get coffee before breakfast at the place where people congregated after the evening entertainment.run2win said:I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
Had a few discussions with Coach White. Once asked him who his best QB was a college coach (White also coached successfully at Illinois, where he coached several good QB's, Jack Trudeau, Tony Eason, and David Wilson). Of course, he also coached Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo, and Joe Roth at Cal.
He didn't hesitate and said "Joe Roth."
this.run2win said:I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
This really frames the JT firing well, as well as the demise of the basketball program.boredom said:
The Tedford firing in an of itself was justifiable. Firing him and having a process that lead to Dykes was stupid. With the exception of a very small handful of coaches, it's not who you lose but who you get that matters. It's a little similar to our basketball situation where the problem isn't that we let Cuonzo walk but rather that we've made awful hires since then that buried our program.
dimitrig said:heartofthebear said:
I wonder what folks here think Tedford would have done in the 8 years since. Would he have done better, worse or about the same? The write up implies that Cal did worse because he departed. I'm not sure that's the reason. Tedford coached at a time when the pac-10 was kind of weak and, as it strengthened, his record got worse.
The conference has gotten worse again, which may be part of why Wilcox seems to have improved the team, not that I'm a hater or anything. Just a thought.
Tedford's firing seems bad mostly because of who replaced him. Not that I'm a hater or anything.
I mean if Cal had hired someone really great, I don't know that Tedford shows up on that list at all.
We have to remember that Cal's athletic department wasn't exactly state-of-the-art when finding, hiring and retaining great football coaches.
I think Cal would have been the same or better on the field with Tedford in hindsight - certainly not worse.
It was Tedford who gave us Goff after some real disappointments.
However, I don't think keeping Tedford was an option given the APR. Cal would have ended up on probation.
okaydo said:dimitrig said:heartofthebear said:
I wonder what folks here think Tedford would have done in the 8 years since. Would he have done better, worse or about the same? The write up implies that Cal did worse because he departed. I'm not sure that's the reason. Tedford coached at a time when the pac-10 was kind of weak and, as it strengthened, his record got worse.
The conference has gotten worse again, which may be part of why Wilcox seems to have improved the team, not that I'm a hater or anything. Just a thought.
Tedford's firing seems bad mostly because of who replaced him. Not that I'm a hater or anything.
I mean if Cal had hired someone really great, I don't know that Tedford shows up on that list at all.
We have to remember that Cal's athletic department wasn't exactly state-of-the-art when finding, hiring and retaining great football coaches.
I think Cal would have been the same or better on the field with Tedford in hindsight - certainly not worse.
It was Tedford who gave us Goff after some real disappointments.
However, I don't think keeping Tedford was an option given the APR. Cal would have ended up on probation.
Cal football was like a plane heading toward a crash-landing in Tedford's final year. Him sticking around would've done major damage. Major Damage. The problem is I don't think he realized how bad a job he had done, so he wouldn't have been able to fix it.
Also, I highly doubt Goff would've started in 2013 (or 2014 or 2015) under Tedford.
Big C said:
There were some really lame picks on this list, IMO.
All the credit in the world to JT for the great things he accomplished at Cal. That said, the Tedford Program was cooked by 2012. Not just the academics, everything. A change needed to be made.
Same with our good friend Mack Brown at Texas and Fulmer at Tennessee. That all three programs have yet to get back to their previous heights since then is a separate issue. Once a football coach is past his "sell date", it's time for a fresh voice, which is always going to involve a roll of the dice.
Or Cal firing Marv Levy? Just a joke - I was only 8 years-old when he left! Between Cal's spring football and the Giants and A's spring training, hope springs eternal! It's a great time of year!remb8888 said:
Dumb list. This just looks at post-HC firing records compared to that head coach's record.
Worst firing in my mind would be not only crap records after firing but also the coach went on and had a bunch of success somewhere else.
Like the Browns firing Bill Belechik or something
SadbutTrue999 said:
The biggest thing in JTs favor is that Tedford could recruit both sides. Dykes could get plenty of skill guys and wilcox does a good job on D, but neither have put together a class like some of the late 2000 classes across the board.
Tedfords decision making was infuriating towards the end, and recruiting was waning. But our mediocrity since makes sense given the talent coming in. Hopefully this latest class starts to change that
82gradDLSdad said:heartofthebear said:I've missed Mike White since the day he left. The program's rarely had the same personality to it since.Gobears49 said:I went to Cal Camp for several years, for which most the camp director was coach Mike White. Used to get up early to get coffee before breakfast at the place where people congregated after the evening entertainment.run2win said:I'd prefer the AD erect a statue in Joe Roth's honor well before Tedford's.NVBear78 said:
By the time Tedford was fired he had shown there was no hope for him figuring out a way to turn things around by himself. He needed an "intervention" and a sabbatical. Maybe a super savvy AD could have helped him but I think not.
That being said I appreciate the amazing times Tedford brought to Cal-the greatest run of Cal football success in my lifetime.
And I think it is time for Cal to erect a statue in his honor and bring him back and honor him!
Had a few discussions with Coach White. Once asked him who his best QB was a college coach (White also coached successfully at Illinois, where he coached several good QB's, Jack Trudeau, Tony Eason, and David Wilson). Of course, he also coached Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo, and Joe Roth at Cal.
He didn't hesitate and said "Joe Roth."
White was a great coach but his attention to the academic side was on par with Tedford's. One of my friends was on the football team during the last White year. He had no business being at Cal. But he was a really good football player.
Are you kidding? USC's record during Tedford's 11 years as Cal head coach was 114-26, and included national championships in 2003 and 2004. During the same time Oregon's record was 102-39, and they lost the 2011 BCS title game to Auburn, 22-19. The Pac-10/12 was hardly weak during Tedford's tenure.heartofthebear said:
Tedford coached at a time when the pac-10 was kind of weak and, as it strengthened, his record got worse.
Tedford beat USC once during that span and he did not beat Oregon once Chip Kelly made than into a BCS force. 2011 is later on in Tedford's career--exactly my point. Furd was better by then and Washington started becoming a factor as did UCLA. And it was at that point Tedford started to lose more. During the 2004-2006 period that really set Tedford apart, there were really only 2 program viaing with Cal for the conference title (USC and Oregon). Oregon, Cal did well against, but they were 0-3 against USC. Later in Tedford's career, Washington, Furd and UCLA had significantly improved and the later 2 were title contenders.Golden One said:Are you kidding? USC's record during Tedford's 11 years as Cal head coach was 114-26, and included national championships in 2003 and 2004. During the same time Oregon's record was 102-39, and they lost the 2011 BCS title game to Auburn, 22-19. The Pac-10/12 was hardly weak during Tedford's tenure.heartofthebear said:
Tedford coached at a time when the pac-10 was kind of weak and, as it strengthened, his record got worse.
That's just not true. Here are the records of the best 6 teams in the Pac-10 during the 2004 to 2006 period:heartofthebear said:Golden One said:
During the 2004-2006 period that really set Tedford apart, there were really only 2 program viaing with Cal for the conference title (USC and Oregon).
I completely agree!Marty said:
I believe that Tedford's tenure was a successful one, even though the trajectory of his last few years was downward, and we always put a disproportionate emphasis on the ending verses the beginning of any era. He's an excellent coach, a solid recruiter, and by all accounts a thoroughly decent guy. In my opinion, if you take the last 100 years of Cal football, Tedford stands in a very respectable 3rd position behind Smith and Waldorf.
Golden One said:That's just not true. Here are the records of the best 6 teams in the Pac-10 during the 2004 to 2006 period:heartofthebear said:Golden One said:
During the 2004-2006 period that really set Tedford apart, there were really only 2 program viaing with Cal for the conference title (USC and Oregon).
USC 36-3
Cal 28-9
UCLA 23-14
ASU 23-14
Oregon 22-14
OSU 22-15
Only WSU, Washington, Stanfurd and Arizona had below .500 records during those 3 years. So, actually the Pac-10 was historically strong during Tedford's best years. Heck, Alabama's record during those same 3 years was only 22-15, the same as Oregon State and below the top 5 teams in the Pac-10.
Can you imagine going to Tennessee with that crew? That would have been a much more pleasant trip.calumnus said:Golden One said:That's just not true. Here are the records of the best 6 teams in the Pac-10 during the 2004 to 2006 period:heartofthebear said:Golden One said:
During the 2004-2006 period that really set Tedford apart, there were really only 2 program viaing with Cal for the conference title (USC and Oregon).
USC 36-3
Cal 28-9
UCLA 23-14
ASU 23-14
Oregon 22-14
OSU 22-15
Only WSU, Washington, Stanfurd and Arizona had below .500 records during those 3 years. So, actually the Pac-10 was historically strong during Tedford's best years. Heck, Alabama's record during those same 3 years was only 22-15, the same as Oregon State and below the top 5 teams in the Pac-10.
Exactly, one of our curses is that those great teams were in a historic high point for PAC-10 football. A few years earlier and we'd have multiple Rose Bowls.
However, if Aaron Rodgers came back in 2005, with Marshawn Lynch at RB and Desean Jackson at WR, it would not matter who we played.