bearister said:
Perhaps the damning allegation is that they are forced to wear sweaters 3 sizes too small.
" Within a year of joining USC's prestigious Song Girls team, one member who'd never before worried about her weight, sought outpatient treatment for an eating disorder."
This may well constitute the longest reach for the brass ring of victimhood I have ever seen.
Big C said:
I've always liked them in those sweaters. Classy, yet attractive. One of the few good things about $C.
No Nobel prize for her.hanky1 said:
Blueblood said:
"Let's face it. A sweater can
make anyone look classy!"
Wholesome Stanfurd "dollies" not submitting to the cruel dictates of body shaming.BearBoarBlarney said:
USC's PR machine is working double-time to address these grievous claims.
Here's the cover of the 2021 Song Girl Media Guide. Notice that Lori "Cruella De Vil" Nelson is nowhere to be found.
AunBear89 said:
Shocked and a little disappointed you did not go with this:
Definitely an NSFW Google image search...bearister said:AunBear89 said:
Shocked and a little disappointed you did not go with this:
After carefully inspecting the options available with regard to photos of Ms. Carter modeling sweaters, I have come to the conclusion that you are a gentleman with a refined sense of decorum.
socaltownie said:
Yeah - I try to be an enlightened male. I gotta a daughter that is the apple in my eye and I want her to seize the world by its throat and subdue it all while looking marvelous in high heels.
But I DON"T get this. You make a choice. You are there TO be oggled. This isn't rocket science and it isn't like you can't look at the sweaters, the make up, the skirts, etc. etc. etc. and not realize that being a song girl IS about being objectified.
And then, when you ARE objectified and abused for not fitting in the tight barbie ideal you complain.
Look, this isn't workplace harrasment. No one's life is or isn't going to be determined by their skills with a pom pom. I also get that I am a guy so I dont' face this and it is really hard to walk in someone elses shoes and I am willing to listen but, again, I just don't sympathize.
socaltownie said:
Yeah - I try to be an enlightened male. I gotta a daughter that is the apple in my eye and I want her to seize the world by its throat and subdue it all while looking marvelous in high heels.
But I DON"T get this. You make a choice. You are there TO be oggled. This isn't rocket science and it isn't like you can't look at the sweaters, the make up, the skirts, etc. etc. etc. and not realize that being a song girl IS about being objectified.
And then, when you ARE objectified and abused for not fitting in the tight barbie ideal you complain.
Look, this isn't workplace harrasment. No one's life is or isn't going to be determined by their skills with a pom pom. I also get that I am a guy so I dont' face this and it is really hard to walk in someone elses shoes and I am willing to listen but, again, I just don't sympathize.
bearister said:
Perhaps the most damning allegation is that they are forced to wear sweaters 3 sizes too small.
" Within a year of joining USC's prestigious Song Girls team, one member who'd never before worried about her weight, sought outpatient treatment for an eating disorder."
This may well constitute the longest reach for the brass ring of victimhood I have ever seen.
bearister said:Blueblood said:
"Let's face it. A sweater can
make anyone look classy!"
Big C said:socaltownie said:
Yeah - I try to be an enlightened male. I gotta a daughter that is the apple in my eye and I want her to seize the world by its throat and subdue it all while looking marvelous in high heels.
But I DON"T get this. You make a choice. You are there TO be oggled. This isn't rocket science and it isn't like you can't look at the sweaters, the make up, the skirts, etc. etc. etc. and not realize that being a song girl IS about being objectified.
And then, when you ARE objectified and abused for not fitting in the tight barbie ideal you complain.
Look, this isn't workplace harrasment. No one's life is or isn't going to be determined by their skills with a pom pom. I also get that I am a guy so I dont' face this and it is really hard to walk in someone elses shoes and I am willing to listen but, again, I just don't sympathize.
Agree. The young ladies being cheer leaders / pom pom girls / song girls, whatever are SUPPOSED TO BE good looking, right?
(also have a daughter)
bearister said:
"No, they're not there to be ogled, they're there to dance and lead cheers. They are not there to be objectified and ogled."
Give me a break. We can't really speak to their state of mind....but if they don't think getting ogled is a foreseeable by product of wearing tight clothes and doing bump and grind routines, then their cause of action should be based on being taken advantage of because they are intellectually challenged.
Their clothing and routines are a throwback to an era of toxic masculinity that should be well behind us.
Explain how cheerleading would be less effective if it was desexualized. Why don't the men cheerleaders dress like Chippendales? Are they less effective because they don't?
I don't even watch them during a game because the thought going through my mind is how mortified I'd be if that was my daughter out there doing that with the fat f@uck in the row below me transfixed.
I spent my career with facts and dealing with the world as it is.
Yes, cheerleading for pro sports is even more sexualized than it is at the college level....but college cheerleading seems to be on an arc that comes close to intersecting with pro cheerleading. For that reason, points made in this article, in my mind, apply to our discussion:
NFL cheerleading is sexist and demeaning to women. Reform it or end it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/09/nfl-cheerleading-sexist-demeaning-women-reform-end-column/897735002/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/897735002
" It's time to call this out for what it is: demeaning to women and an anachronism that ought to be beneath the male fans to whom this titillating eye candy is served.
... Beginning with the Dallas Cowboys in the 1960s, pro football "cheerleading" has gravitated farther and farther away from real cheerleading, which is primarily about arousing team spirit, not male sexual fantasies. Real cheerleading features infectious, syncopated chants. It showcases impressive coordination and athleticism as squads form human pyramids and toss teammates in the air with daring and precision.
... Those male cheerleaders won't be sent be sent out in Speedos and no shirts. The women shouldn't be either. If the NFL wants to demonstrate that it's on board with the new era for gender relations and that it truly values women big "ifs," to be sure it will have the women cheerleaders baring roughly the same amount of skin as the men."
01Bear said:Big C said:socaltownie said:
Yeah - I try to be an enlightened male. I gotta a daughter that is the apple in my eye and I want her to seize the world by its throat and subdue it all while looking marvelous in high heels.
But I DON"T get this. You make a choice. You are there TO be oggled. This isn't rocket science and it isn't like you can't look at the sweaters, the make up, the skirts, etc. etc. etc. and not realize that being a song girl IS about being objectified.
And then, when you ARE objectified and abused for not fitting in the tight barbie ideal you complain.
Look, this isn't workplace harrasment. No one's life is or isn't going to be determined by their skills with a pom pom. I also get that I am a guy so I dont' face this and it is really hard to walk in someone elses shoes and I am willing to listen but, again, I just don't sympathize.
Agree. The young ladies being cheer leaders / pom pom girls / song girls, whatever are SUPPOSED TO BE good looking, right?
(also have a daughter)
No. They're supposed to be good dancers and have school spirit. They're no different than TheFiatLux except that they also dance. If you don't think Ken needed to be hot and sexy in order to be a Mic Man then why do you think any cheerleader needs to be hot and sexy?
Big C said:01Bear said:Big C said:socaltownie said:
Yeah - I try to be an enlightened male. I gotta a daughter that is the apple in my eye and I want her to seize the world by its throat and subdue it all while looking marvelous in high heels.
But I DON"T get this. You make a choice. You are there TO be oggled. This isn't rocket science and it isn't like you can't look at the sweaters, the make up, the skirts, etc. etc. etc. and not realize that being a song girl IS about being objectified.
And then, when you ARE objectified and abused for not fitting in the tight barbie ideal you complain.
Look, this isn't workplace harrasment. No one's life is or isn't going to be determined by their skills with a pom pom. I also get that I am a guy so I dont' face this and it is really hard to walk in someone elses shoes and I am willing to listen but, again, I just don't sympathize.
Agree. The young ladies being cheer leaders / pom pom girls / song girls, whatever are SUPPOSED TO BE good looking, right?
(also have a daughter)
No. They're supposed to be good dancers and have school spirit. They're no different than TheFiatLux except that they also dance. If you don't think Ken needed to be hot and sexy in order to be a Mic Man then why do you think any cheerleader needs to be hot and sexy?
Because that is my reality. I know that could be interpreted as being a ridiculous answer, but it's all I got. I grew up in the late '60s-'70s and that's my world. I don't care what the Mic Man looks like (although somebody else is welcome to).
For the record, I never said "hot and sexy"; I said "attractive" and "good looking". I like the Cal or U$C or UCLA look, not some of those NFL "Vegas showgirl" looks. Something I could be okay with my daughter doing.
OK, maybe this is jeering and not cheering, but close!Quote:
... Those male cheerleaders won't be sent be sent out in Speedos and no shirts.