Has anyone heard anything about the games this fall? My dad spoke with someone from the ticket office a month ago who said there likely will not be tailgating allowed on campus and there may be "some fans" allowed to the games. I sure hope things have changed as COVID numbers in the state have been in good shape.

Starting with this week's Giant Dodger games, fans are allowed and placed in two sections, a vaccinated (show your vaccination card or test) and a socially distanced section (no proof of test or vaccination needed). https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/Giants-end-need-for-documentation-to-sit-in-16186174.php

Do we get to the place where we get our normal season seats or have something like this where we purchase seats for each game and go back to our regular seats next year??? Time will tell but it is getting late for season tickets to be arranged and sent out.

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Has anyone heard anything about the games this fall? My dad spoke with someone from the ticket office a month ago who said there likely will not be tailgating allowed on campus and there may be "some fans" allowed to the games. I sure hope things have changed as COVID numbers in the state have been in good shape.

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They are taking deposits for season tickets.

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Time will tell but it is getting late for season tickets to be arranged and sent out.

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Would guess all electronic tickets via phone are coming exclusively.

Major pro venues have been doing electronic only delivery for 3-4 years now, some for even longer.

Easy to reissue, modify... Or cancel.

Downside is that the venues need a high capacity wifi system for all ticket holders to jump on in case the cell networks bog down, which they will.

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Time will tell but it is getting late for season tickets to be arranged and sent out.

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Would guess all electronic tickets via phone are coming exclusively.

Major pro venues have been doing electronic only delivery for 3-4 years now, some for even longer.

Easy to reissue, modify... Or cancel.

Downside is that the venues need a high capacity wifi system for all ticket holders to jump on in case the cell networks bog down, which they will.

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Not going to happen. Too many older people with no i phones. The SF Giants bactracked on this . I dont want an E ticket even though I have i phone, i pad and mac.

Let's hope the damned virus continues its decline. That way, we can either go "full bore" in the fall, or at least have a good reason to b**** if there are restrictions.

Giants/Dodgers and Opening Kickoff all on the same weekend. What a Bonanza.

Several months ago I paid for 4 season tix and for my usual parking spot on campus.
I was warned that everything was subject to change depending upon what happens with COVID. I was assured that if social distancing was to be required, season ticket holders would be assured of priority access since there should be enough space in the stadium to allow for all season ticket holders.
Also I was told that arrangements could be made for family and friends who made up the same "pod" to sit together.
That was months ago before the vaccine was as wide spread as it is today.

The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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And just bcos Cal wants to go back to normal, doesn't mean that the Alameda County Health Department or the Berkeley City Health Dept will agree.....

GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

GivemTheAxe said:

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mbBear said:

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oskidunker said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Situations like you describe are the reason I believe attendance will be limited and masks will be required. I think attendance should be allowed at 100% and no mask requirement. Wear one if you want, but do not require it. I am 100% vaccinated but will not attend if masks are a requirement.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Situations like you describe are the reason I believe attendance will be limited and masks will be required. I think attendance should be allowed at 100% and no mask requirement. Wear one if you want, but do not require it. I am 100% vaccinated but will not attend if masks are a requirement.

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Agree. I will not be there if masks required.probably season ticket holders will go..who knows about students.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Situations like you describe are the reason I believe attendance will be limited and masks will be required. I think attendance should be allowed at 100% and no mask requirement. Wear one if you want, but do not require it. I am 100% vaccinated but will not attend if masks are a requirement.

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Agree. I will not be there if masks required.probably season ticket holders will go..who knows about students.

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Personally I believe that masks will not be required if the current downward trend in cases continues and the current upward trend in vaccinations in Nor-Cal continues.
What may be required IMO is some evidence of vaccination such as a copy of a vaccination card.

[Yes a person can fake the vaccination card, but such conduct by the attendee would demonstrate a conscious intent to circumvent the University's precautions and a conscious disregard of the risks of attending the game without vaccination and thereby provide a possible "assumption of the risk" defense to Cal.]

That said I will go to the games even if masks are required. IIRC there were many fans who voluntarily wore masks to the "Smoke Bowl" at CMS in 2016 against Utah and saw one heck of a 7-down goal line stand by Cal in the closing minutes of that game.

GivemTheAxe said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Situations like you describe are the reason I believe attendance will be limited and masks will be required. I think attendance should be allowed at 100% and no mask requirement. Wear one if you want, but do not require it. I am 100% vaccinated but will not attend if masks are a requirement.

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Agree. I will not be there if masks required.probably season ticket holders will go..who knows about students.

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Personally I believe that masks will not be required if the current downward trend in cases continues and the current upward trend in vaccinations in Nor-Cal continues.
What may be required IMO is some evidence of vaccination such as a copy of a vaccination card.

[Yes a person can fake the vaccination card, but such conduct by the attendee would demonstrate a conscious intent to circumvent the University's precautions and a conscious disregard of the risks of attending the game without vaccination and thereby provide a possible "assumption of the risk" defense to Cal.]

That said I will go to the games even if masks are required. IIRC there were many fans who voluntarily wore masks to the "Smoke Bowl" at CMS in 2016 against Utah and saw one heck of a 7-down goal line stand by Cal in the closing minutes of that game.

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At the beginning of that game, I saw a number of them sitting around me.

GivemTheAxe said:

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oskidunker said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Student vaccination is required prior to Fall enrollment.
There is no one who will be entering the stadium who didn't make a specific decision not to get the vaccine, that's the non-hypothetical of it. There is no one who will be forced to go to the stadium, that if they choose to go without a vaccine, they do so making the same decision they did to go to the store or anywhere without getting the vaccine. If you go to a Cal game without a vaccine, you go with the knowledge that the person sitting next to you might have made the same decision, and you know the possible consequences.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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mbBear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Student vaccination is required prior to Fall enrollment.
There is no one who will be entering the stadium who didn't make a specific decision not to get the vaccine, that's the non-hypothetical of it. There is no one who will be forced to go to the stadium, that if they choose to go without a vaccine, they do so making the same decision they did to go to the store or anywhere without getting the vaccine. If you go to a Cal game without a vaccine, you go with the knowledge that the person sitting next to you might have made the same decision, and you know the possible consequences.

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Your assumptions require too many logical steps for a California jury too conclude that Cal is not liable for creating a situation that is very possibly dangerous.
Checking for vaccinations (or negative COVID test) at the door is a simple and easy way to avoid liability

Why should Cal spend tens of thousands of dollars (maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars) in legal fees proving (maybe) Cal was not liable.

I have been a lawyer for a long time. One major aim for plaintiff's attorney is to get past a Demurrer and motion For Summary Judgement. If they succeed, they have a shot at convincing a jury that their hare-brained claims have merit.
That possibility in turn motivates many defendants to pay some large amount in settlement and avoid a possibly larger jury verdict.

GivemTheAxe said:

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mbBear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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mbBear said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Student vaccination is required prior to Fall enrollment.
There is no one who will be entering the stadium who didn't make a specific decision not to get the vaccine, that's the non-hypothetical of it. There is no one who will be forced to go to the stadium, that if they choose to go without a vaccine, they do so making the same decision they did to go to the store or anywhere without getting the vaccine. If you go to a Cal game without a vaccine, you go with the knowledge that the person sitting next to you might have made the same decision, and you know the possible consequences.

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Your assumptions require too many logical steps for a California jury too conclude that Cal is not liable for creating a situation that is very possibly dangerous.
Checking for vaccinations (or negative COVID test) at the door is a simple and easy way to avoid liability

Why should Cal spend tens of thousands of dollars (maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars) in legal fees proving (maybe) Cal was not liable.

I have been a lawyer for a long time. One major aim for plaintiff's attorney is to get past a Demurrer and motion For Summary Judgement. If they succeed, they have a shot at convincing a jury that their hare-brained claims have merit.
That possibility in turn motivates many defendants to pay some large amount in settlement and avoid a possibly larger jury verdict.

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What did I assume?
Students-vaccinated.
Fans, most vaccinated: so, chances are slim of getting anything. I think the chance of being in a car accident to or from the game would be higher?
Fans, unvaccinated: their choice to be vaccinated or not. Going to a gathering of this magnitude increases their vulnerability, but they make their choice of their own freewill.
But okay...I ask this without knowing: have there been pandemic legal cases that involved cases not related to someone not following CDC guidelines, and/or state or local law?

Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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Thank you Cal8285. You are a true Cal Fan. I was also at all those games and many more just as uncomfortable. My kids and I talk about the UO rain game. There was one Cal student behind me and my kids (we were probably the only 4 people left in our section.). He was wearing a t-shirt shorts and tennis shoes. His scraggly blond hair made him look like he had just swum the English Channel. But he kept on cheering "Go Bears!"

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Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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Very nice post. Small correction: Cal fans have never had to sit through a real "very cold day."

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Uh, not quite. Student vax is required IFF the feds approve the vaccines for full use. (right now they are under an Emergency Use order.) And since teh manufacturers have not yet even submitted an application for full use, the likelihood of approval prior to Fall '21 kickoff is extremely low. (Most of the press reports purposely leave out this not-so-little nuance.)

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The 49ers announced full attendance with no social distancing or masks. Will the hand wringing at Cal continue or will we hear something anytime soon?

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It should be back to normal, because Cal holds no responsibility for the action of others, if it's not affecting others. If someone doesn't want to get the vaccine, and still wants to go to a game, that's on them.

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That's not entirely correct. If there were a situation or condition that poses a danger to the public that Cal could/should have foreseen and controlled, Cal would be responsible to have taken some action.

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I'm in the here and now-I didn't make a statement that was intended for all situations.. My statement would not hold up for last fall. It wouldn't necessarily hold up for your "if there was a situation." This wasn't about hypotheticals, or a comment that covered every time and place n the Pandemic timeline.
Don't tell me about responsibility...I have been on the "greater good" side of this since day one.

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My comment is based upon a very likely hypothetical. If Cal is going to allow fans into CMS based upon an assumption that every one is vaccinated. It is possible or likely that Cal might have a responsibility to somehow confirm that the attendees entering the stadium have received their vaccinations since it is likely that some attendees will want to enter the stadium even though they are not vaccinated.

I can easily foresee that if some unvaccinated student catches COVID after attending the game, his/her attorney or the attorney for their parents will sue Cal for not taking reasonable steps to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

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Because it's certainly not the responsibility of the unvaccinated and/or vulnerable person to look out for their own well-being...

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Since you called me on this earlier I think it is fair to point out that Pfizer started the process of applying for full approval on May 7th (or at least reported that to the press). I don't know whether the application is complete as they needed more time to submit some required data. While the likelihood of full approval by kickoff would be low in normal circumstances, I will bet you a virtual beer that it comes by August because of the need.

Fair point, mbBear.

Everything is relative, but for those of us who have attended football games where the temperature was hovering around 0 degrees F with a wind chill factor well below zero, yes, Cal fans have never even come close to sitting through a real "very cold day."

good catch sluggo, thanks. But note Pfizer's press release says that they will still be submitting data "on a rolling basis". (whatever that means to the actual timing.)

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Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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When you are over 70, you might look at this differently . Doesn't really matter as two of the first four games are at 7:30 pm. Dont do night games as driving home in the dark doesn't work with my eye site. I have sat through many rain games and enjoyed them more than non rain games. Those days are over.

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Fair point, mbBear.

Everything is relative, but for those of us who have attended football games where the temperature was hovering around 0 degrees F with a wind chill factor well below zero, yes, Cal fans have never even come close to sitting through a real "very cold day."

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Yes, it was sarcasm for sure! I don't think you even have to get that cold, to be "cold" ha ha ha...I think my coldest is a Atlanta/Philly playoff game that was around 20 I think...
The real truth is it's all about what you are wearing first of all, and then what you are use to of course.

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I would be willing to bet the student body number is already significant, haven't seen that yet. But whatever... if they can't hold to this requirement, then once again, someone who has elected not to receive the vaccine, may make a decision as whether attending is the right thing to do.
Again, if you scroll up, this was brought up because of the possible situation of a student getting exposed because of action taken by the University relative to attendance at the game, and bringing legal action against the university. Again, happy to hear any and all legal explanations, but people/students are making 2 independent decisions: 1, not to get vaccinated, and 2, to attend a game where they have increased the risk to themselves.

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Student vaccination is required prior to Fall enrollment.

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Uh, not quite. Student vax is required IFF the feds approve the vaccines for full use. (right now they are under an Emergency Use order.) And since teh manufacturers have not yet even submitted an application for full use, the likelihood of approval prior to Fall '21 kickoff is extremely low. (Most of the press reports purposely leave out this not-so-little nuance.)

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I would be willing to bet the student body number is already significant, haven't seen that yet. But whatever... if they can't hold to this requirement, then once again, someone who has elected not to receive the vaccine, may make a decision as whether attending is the right thing to do.
Again, if you scroll up, this was brought up because of the possible situation of a student getting exposed because of action taken by the University relative to attendance at the game, and bringing legal action against the university. Again, happy to hear any and all legal explanations, but people/students are making 2 independent decisions: 1, not to get vaccinated, and 2, to attend a game where they have increased the risk to themselves.

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Concur on all points, but then again, this is California, where juries just love to stick it to The Man.

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Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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When you are over 70, you might look at this differently . Doesn't really matter as two of the first four games are at 7:30 pm. Dont do night games as driving home in the dark doesn't work with my eye site. I have sat through many rain games and enjoyed them more than non rain games. Those days are over.

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I haven't been to a game since I turned 60. If you'd told two years ago I wouldn't attend a single Cal game while I was 60, I would have been sure that either you were wrong or I'd be dead before the 2020 Cal season.

But even in my late 50's, I hated the 7:30 games. But it is a matter of discomfort, not meaningful health risk. If it gets to be meaningful health risk to attend 7:30 games, then I may be out. I would much rather have to wear a mask to a 12:30, 1:00, 4:00, even 5:00 game than get to go maskless to a 7:30 game. Heck, it might be wise to wear a mask the older I get, even if not required, in an effort to avoid colds and the flu and everything else that goes around.

I knew a woman born in 1906 who attended every well into her 90's, rain or shine. She lived about a half mile south of campus, so it wasn't a big deal to get there. But she didn't live during the era of 7:30 games, I don't know how she would have handled those.

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Perhaps this is harshly judgmental, but in my heart, I cannot consider anyone a true Cal fan if they would not attend just because they are required to wear a cloth face covering. Being a Cal fan isn't, and has NEVER BEEN about comfort.

What's worse, wearing a cloth mask, or sitting in the horrific downpour against the Ducks on November 1, 2008? While it is not my preference to wear a lot of stuff both for warmth and to be waterproof, and even then, it isn't pleasant to be sitting outside while buckets of water are pouring down from the sky, I'll do it, because I'm a Cal fan.

You know people are true Cal fans if they were in Memorial Stadium at the final gun of the 2001 USC game. Better yet, if they were NOT under the press box overhang. Cal was getting blown out, that wasn't pleasant by itself, and there was a somewhat unexpected rain (not NEARLY as hard as the 2008 Ducks game, but people were not as prepared for rain). Yeah, there were only about 200 Cal fans in the stadium at the final gun (about 1,000 SC fans), and only about 75 Cal fans in the stadium who were not under the over hang. Given a choice between pleasant weather wearing a cloth mask or sitting in the conditions that day, I'd take a mask in a heartbeat.

Plenty of people wore masks to the 2017 Friday night game against WSU. I wore an N95 mask with a one way valve (not an acceptable COVID mask). There was controversy over the playing of the game, but since it was played, I wasn't going to let some smoke keep me away, but I preferred to protect my health and wear a mask (although I did take it off on occasion, breathing in the smoke for hours was an issue, not breathing in for a few seconds). The mask was well worth it to protect me from the smoke AND get to witness the blowout of WSU (and the Bowers flip into the end zone). My eyes stung for awhile in the aftermath of that game, but it was WORTH IT. Because I'm a CAL FAN.

I've been to plenty of games at Memorial that were quite unpleasant due to heat, sitting in the sun on the east side. For people sitting in certain parts of Memorial, the 2006 Big Game was extremely unpleasant due to the cold and wind. It was very hard to be bundled up well enough to protect from being cold that day if you were in the northwest corner of the stadium. It wasn't great in other parts, but man, it was extremely unpleasant in the northwest corner (fortunately, I only visited friends sitting there to experience it, I had seats in the sun on the east side that had better wind protection). If I had been sitting there for the whole game and had a cloth mask, I would have worn one to keep my face a little warmer.

If you're the type who doesn't care about the Bears enough to go on a very rainy day, an extremely cold windy day, a smoky day, or a scorching hot day, well, then, I understand why you might stay home if you have to wear a mask. But if you are a die hard Cal fan, then none of that should stop you from going to the game, barring health conditions that make it not just a matter of comfort, but a matter of meaningful health risk. And if those things don't stop you, well, a cloth mask is less unpleasant than those things, and a little discomfort from a mask shouldn't stop you from going to the game.

I hope there is no mask requirement in 2021. All else equal, I would prefer not to wear one, but if the accurately forecasted downpour of 11/1/2008 didn't stop me from going, if the 2017 smoke didn't stop me, if the combination of the blowout and the unexpected rain of 2001 USC didn't get me to leave early, there is NO WAY a silly cloth mask requirement will stop me from going to support the Bears. I don't want a 2021 mask requirement , but it would be FAR preferable to 2020, when we couldn't come at all.

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I was there in 2007 - what a monsoon. Heck, the north end of the field was a swamp. I was also at the '01 SC game until the bitter end in the open stands. I was hopeful that was the nadir of the program and I wanted to see what the bottom looked like. I was kinda right. Tedford took over in '02 and things really looked rosy (pun intended). Sadly, he lost his way and Cal followed with a horrific decision selecting a carpetbagger and an even deeper hole was dug. Wilcox is still trying to get the program back to level ground.....

As for attending games, I stopped when the games became marketing opportunities rather than sporting events. I have no intention of attending at any point in the future. I am happy to live with the memories of 1956-2010.