Will recruiting be harder for schools like us because top recruits will go to schools where they expect to make more money NOW?

Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

Why would more than a tiny handful of athletes turn down pay to play?

Ccajon2 said:

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Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

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And yet, Cal announced a NIL initiative and plan as quick as anyone in the Pac-12.

mbBear said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

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And yet, Cal announced a NIL initiative and plan as quick as anyone in the Pac-12.

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Don't let your facts get in the way of a time-honored "Everything about Cal athletics sucks" rant.

mbBear said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

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And yet, Cal announced a NIL initiative and plan as quick as anyone in the Pac-12.

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Window dressing IMO.

Other FB programs are using NIL to essentially hide pay for play schemes funded by donors.

That is not something Cal's in house NIL program is going to do.

I'll be more impressed if there are NIL deals worked out to get each and every FB player some spending cash above and beyond their 'full cost' stipends (which are really not large enough to get decent housing vis-a-vis other programs).

Right now, having players shilling goods and local restaurants on the internet as individuals is not going to add up to anything where top recruits are.going to choose Cal when say the Bama QB can line up $1 million before he even starts a game.

These smaller NIL opportunities might really help Olympic sports though. Who really knows there.

ColoradoBear said:

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mbBear said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

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And yet, Cal announced a NIL initiative and plan as quick as anyone in the Pac-12.

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Window dressing IMO.

Other FB programs are using NIL to essentially hide pay for play schemes funded by donors.

That is not something Cal's in house NIL program is going to do.

I'll be more impressed if there are NIL deals worked out to get each and every FB player some spending cash above and beyond their 'full cost' stipends (which are really not large enough to get decent housing vis-a-vis other programs).

Right now, having players schilling goods and local restaurants on the internet as individuals is not going to add up to anything where top recruits are.going to choose Cal when say the Bama QB can line up $1 million before he even starts a game.

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Well, yes.

YLS Bear said:

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Will recruiting be harder for schools like us because top recruits will go to schools where they expect to make more money NOW?

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But where else can a player get this background in a sports memorabilia photo? Worldwide appeal!



At Alabama the player gets this as his background on his player card:

Imagine this scenario: Nike signs the QB and a star wide receiver for a bigshot SEC team to a NIL deal. Two other receivers on the same team sign NIL deals with, let's say, UnderArmor. How likely is this to influence who gets the most passes thrown their way? What does this do to team dynamics and does the head coach start to lose control of the team?

Cal could build out a 10,000 page NIL program, approved by a blue ribbon committee and none of it will be a game changer until the program perception changes because no one is throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at players in this program until the trajectory changes drastically. No offense to our star quarterbacks supplement deals.


The other side of this is we could have donors do something like this:

Every female student-athlete at #BYU will receive up to $6,000 from a new NIL opportunity presented by a Provo-based company. 💰👏@BYUCougars #GoCougs https://t.co/vp3AXALwe4

— KSL Sports (@kslsports) September 21, 2021

HearstMining said:

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Imagine this scenario: Nike signs the QB and a star wide receiver for a bigshot SEC team to a NIL deal. Two other receivers on the same team sign NIL deals with, let's say, UnderArmor. How likely is this to influence who gets the most passes thrown their way? What does this do to team dynamics and does the head coach start to lose control of the team?

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Supposedly NIL is not supposed to be from sponsors with existing relationships with the schools (according to NCAA rules, which can be superseded by state rules) Nike can't really sponsor a school and then their players as well. No idea how this will turn out in practice because it doesn't seem like Nike sponsoring individuals at a UA school would be against the rules.

But there are interesting scenarios - remember when Jordan would wear something over Reebok logo on the USA jersey at the Olymipcs because he was all Nike all the time?

ColoradoBear said:

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Right now, having players shilling goods and local restaurants on the internet as individuals is not going to add up to anything where top recruits are.going to choose Cal when say the Bama QB can line up $1 million before he even starts a game.

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The Bama QB would never have chosen Cal even if we lived in a world where no college athlete ever received money above or below the table. NIL isn't going to change that dynamic.

BearSD said:

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ColoradoBear said:

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Right now, having players shilling goods and local restaurants on the internet as individuals is not going to add up to anything where top recruits are.going to choose Cal when say the Bama QB can line up $1 million before he even starts a game.

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The Bama QB would never have chosen Cal even if we lived in a world where no college athlete ever received money above or below the table. NIL isn't going to change that dynamic.

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Looking forward that really doesn't matter though. I agree - Obvioualy Bama is getting players Cal never would NIL or no NIL.

The question is whether Cal can land any athletes with creative NIL deals brokered by donors, or will Cal start to lose recruits who would have come to Cal in the past but are getting better more 'creative' NIL deals elsewhere. Maybe not $1 million but $50-100k, which goes a long way for paying for housing, some fun travel, cars, etc. Or just helping out the fam a bit.

ColoradoBear said:

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mbBear said:

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Ccajon2 said:

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Yes, absolutely. Cal will never be competitive in today's CFB $$ oriented landscape. Furds said they wouldn't ever pay players, and would drop FB, but I don't believe there lieing mouths.

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And yet, Cal announced a NIL initiative and plan as quick as anyone in the Pac-12.

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Window dressing IMO.

Other FB programs are using NIL to essentially hide pay for play schemes funded by donors.

That is not something Cal's in house NIL program is going to do.

I'll be more impressed if there are NIL deals worked out to get each and every FB player some spending cash above and beyond their 'full cost' stipends (which are really not large enough to get decent housing vis-a-vis other programs).

Right now, having players shilling goods and local restaurants on the internet as individuals is not going to add up to anything where top recruits are.going to choose Cal when say the Bama QB can line up $1 million before he even starts a game.

These smaller NIL opportunities might really help Olympic sports though. Who really knows there.

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In talking with an AD at another Pac school not named Cal, the NIL money has been surprisingly small in the conference with very limited exceptions. Top money getters averaging around 20K, with most athletes not even bothering. Once you get beyond an Olympian, a player who already had develop his or her brand (Kayvon Thibodeaux has a lucrative deal with United who btw is used by Oregon as a charter), a top QB or basketball player, the pickings are thin. It is early, but so far NIL has been a non-disruptive nothing burger in the Pac.

socaliganbear said:

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Cal could build out a 10,000 page NIL program, approved by a blue ribbon committee and none of it will be a game changer until the program perception changes because no one is throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at players in this program until the trajectory changes drastically. No offense to our star quarterbacks supplement deals.


The other side of this is we could have donors do something like this:

Every female student-athlete at #BYU will receive up to $6,000 from a new NIL opportunity presented by a Provo-based company. 💰👏@BYUCougars #GoCougs https://t.co/vp3AXALwe4

— KSL Sports (@kslsports) September 21, 2021

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Give up sex for $6K a year?

ColoradoBear said:

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The question is whether Cal can land any athletes with creative NIL deals brokered by donors, or will Cal start to lose recruits who would have come to Cal in the past but are getting better more 'creative' NIL deals elsewhere. Maybe not $1 million but $50-100k, which goes a long way for paying for housing, some fun travel, cars, etc. Or just helping out the fam a bit.

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Exactly

HearstMining said:

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Imagine this scenario: Nike signs the QB and a star wide receiver for a bigshot SEC team to a NIL deal. Two other receivers on the same team sign NIL deals with, let's say, UnderArmor. How likely is this to influence who gets the most passes thrown their way? What does this do to team dynamics and does the head coach start to lose control of the team?

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Chaos.

socaliganbear said:

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Cal could build out a 10,000 page NIL program, approved by a blue ribbon committee and none of it will be a game changer until the program perception changes because no one is throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars at players in this program until the trajectory changes drastically. No offense to our star quarterbacks supplement deals.


The other side of this is we could have donors do something like this:

Every female student-athlete at #BYU will receive up to $6,000 from a new NIL opportunity presented by a Provo-based company. 💰👏@BYUCougars #GoCougs https://t.co/vp3AXALwe4

— KSL Sports (@kslsports) September 21, 2021

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"Up to" $6,000? So somewhere between $0 and $6,000?

lot of Cal grads start their own companies...

https://instagr.am/p/CT2uuLVA4iL

I wonder whats to stop big time players from signing with a school, get a huge NIL payout then transfer to a school they want to go to.

Lawyers

MinotStateBeav said:

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I wonder whats to stop big time players from signing with a school, get a huge NIL payout then transfer to a school they want to go to.

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Legal contracts. Every NIL agreement is backed by a contract.

As I have written before, this is a huge non-story. Players will sign deals, players will be paid according to the deal. No one gets hurt, everybody is happy. Life goes on……