We can start all the requisite firing/coaching search threads after we fall to 1-5, and although I will not completely rule out Wilcox somehow finding a way to win in Eugene, at 1-5 it's over.

Ragle interim HC?

I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

At this point I'm not sure what Wilcox actually brings to the HC role. His team is regressing in all phases. His assistant coach hires have gotten progressively worse each season. His brand of football is plodding and has always been borderline unwatchable, even during the "good times." This program under Wilcox lives and dies by breaks and chance and the last season plus things have been bouncing the other way. It's always been zero margin for error and when you factor in not getting lucky bounces you get 1-5 or whatever the **** we are now. Time for some English muffins.

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At this point I'm not sure what Wilcox actually brings to the HC role. His team is regressing in all phases. His assistant coach hires have gotten progressively worse each season. His brand of football is plodding and has always been borderline unwatchable, even during the "good times." This program under Wilcox lives and dies by breaks and chance and the last season plus things have been bouncing the other way. It's always been zero margin for error and when you factor in not getting lucky bounces you get 1-5 or whatever the **** we are now. Time for some English muffins.

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I don't mind plodding if the drives result in scores. Power running to set up the pass is fine. But what we seem to have is a team that can neither run nor pass.

I'm sure glad Wilcox got that extension after winning the Redbox Bowl.

SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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What in god's world is keeping Wilcox on the fence for you?

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SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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What in god's world is keeping Wilcox on the fence for you?

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Wilcox's tenure thus far has not been great but not terrible either, however it is starting to lean towards the latter obviously, and he has one last chance to rectify his trajectory.

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fat_slice said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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What in god's world is keeping Wilcox on the fence for you?

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Wilcox's tenure thus far has not been great but not terrible either, however it is starting to lean towards the latter obviously, and he has one last chance to rectify his trajectory.

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I could buy that if we had a very young team and QB. We are starting over again next year because we didn't build any QB in the wing. So there is no way we have a respectable won count next year to justify keeping him. Might as well cut the loss now.

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At this point I'm not sure what Wilcox actually brings to the HC role. His team is regressing in all phases. His assistant coach hires have gotten progressively worse each season.

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I don't think its a stretch to say that any previous success Wilcox had at Cal was solely due to Deruyter/Alexander.

Two more weeks and in two more weeks we'll see. Cal FB/AD is not a decision making organization anymore. In ten more weeks they'll decide for a warm mediocrity because that will midpoint the ARPU and be cheaper. Then the stadium will be empty forever with piped in crowd noise for TV viewing on PAC-8 network.

Experienced players are a good thing, unless they aren't very good. A very good coach would be hard pressed to approach .500 with this group. Very, VERY, HARD PRESSED.

Why wait?

What is the difference between 1-4 with losses to Nevada, TCU, WSU, and an unimpressive win in which we gave up 30 points to Sac State vs. one more loss vs. Oregon?

Knowlton has not extended Wilcox contract. End of Story.

It's over. Senior quarterback, 5th year head coach, and we're the worst program in the Pac 12.

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oskidunker said:

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Knowlton has not extended Wilcox contract. End of Story.

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https://bearinsider.com/s/1052/justin-wilcox-agrees-to-new-contract-through-2023

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So its good until 2023. Old news. No extension thiis year. We pay two years. Better than Wyking.

Its over man.

Ducks have a week off too. Friday night game at Autzen against a pissed off ducks team is a recipe for disaster.

The ducks still have a lot to play for. We've quit.

The Wilcox brain trust also has two weeks to scheme. Unleash the SUPER SENIORS,

oskidunker said:

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Sather Tower said:

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oskidunker said:

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Knowlton has not extended Wilcox contract. End of Story.

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https://bearinsider.com/s/1052/justin-wilcox-agrees-to-new-contract-through-2023

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So its good until 2023. Old news. No extension thiis year. We pay two years. Better than Wyking.

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The problem for Cal is that Jim Knowlton (recently extended til 2029) is the AD.

That means Cal will end up doing one of two things:

1) They keep Wilcox because his anger at post game pressers sells to gullible donors.

2) Knowlton finds support and fires Wilcox only to hire a search firm that will recommend hiring a coach that Cal will end up firing in five years.

And so it goes.

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Its over man.

Ducks have a week off too. Friday night game at Autzen against a pissed off ducks team is a recipe for disaster.

The ducks still have a lot to play for. We've quit.

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Last year we thought we were going winless but managed to pull out a win over the high-flyers from Autzen, so it is within Wilcox's capabilities.

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SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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What in god's world is keeping Wilcox on the fence for you?

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Pretty much what Strykur said - until this year, he seemed like the right guy. Until this year, the worry was that he'd have a 9+ win season and depart for greener pastures. I don't read anything into the "2020 season." That whole thing was a cluster. This year is a different story. This should have been a 7 - 9 win season based on reasonable assessments of recruiting and progress to-date. This isn't a stumble in that progression, it's a huge step backward.

Midseason replacements rarely serve a purpose. If TDR were still here -- well, we might not be having these problems -- but if he were still here, maybe you fire JW and see if TDR can get things headed in the right direction. I don't see anyone on the staff that fits that mold right now. I want to wait and see. Maybe the team perks up and JW can build on that for 2022. Maybe WFT lets Ron Rivera go and we bring him home.

The search firm thing kills me. Do we use multiple firms? Like, can we at least switch to a new search firm??

These search firms seem so mysterious to me. Who the hell are these people?

Trash

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The search firm thing kills me. Do we use multiple firms? Like, can we at least switch to a new search firm??

These search firms seem so mysterious to me. Who the hell are these people?

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I forgot the guy in this videos name

Lol

A guy whose currently 5-0.

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A guy whose currently 5-0.

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I'm referring to the guy at 14 second mark. I believe he's from a search firm.

“We try to put our players in positions to succeed.

I failed.”

-Wilcox

— Rob Hwang (@rob11hwang) October 3, 2021

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It's over. Senior quarterback, 5th year head coach, and we're the worst program in the Pac 12.

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We have achieved the status of the indisputable door mat in the PAC-12…

SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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I honestly don't see how anyone can still be on the fence regarding Justin Wilcox. After 5 years at Cal, his team is dead last in the Pac-12, and they clearly deserve that position in the standings. They are just horrible on offense and defense and special teams. They can do nothing well in any phase of the game. They are obviously very poorly coached, and that's on Wilcox. 5 years is enough. Wilcox has to be fired!

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westcoast101 said:

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It's over. Senior quarterback, 5th year head coach, and we're the worst program in the Pac 12.

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We have achieved the status of the indisputable door mat in the PAC-12…

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Not until we lose to Arizona. That game will be the Toilet Bowl.

SoFlaBear said:

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fat_slice said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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I'm still on the fence with regard to JW. However, I'd be fine if Musgrave were let go RFN.

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What in god's world is keeping Wilcox on the fence for you?

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Pretty much what Strykur said - until this year, he seemed like the right guy. Until this year, the worry was that he'd have a 9+ win season and depart for greener pastures. I don't read anything into the "2020 season." That whole thing was a cluster. This year is a different story. This should have been a 7 - 9 win season based on reasonable assessments of recruiting and progress to-date. This isn't a stumble in that progression, it's a huge step backward.

Midseason replacements rarely serve a purpose. If TDR were still here -- well, we might not be having these problems -- but if he were still here, maybe you fire JW and see if TDR can get things headed in the right direction. I don't see anyone on the staff that fits that mold right now. I want to wait and see. Maybe the team perks up and JW can build on that for 2022. Maybe WFT lets Ron Rivera go and we bring him home.

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The purpose it serves is that it gives a signal that the administration isn't going to tolerate poor football and that it is serious about it. The coach isn't doing anything to correct what is going on (e.g. Ragle, defense) so at this point you need to force a change.

Going to the bottom was totally unexpected this year. I don't think last year can be chalked up to covid anymore. That was a sign of things to come.

Unexpected by whom?

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Sather Tower said:

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oskidunker said:

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Knowlton has not extended Wilcox contract. End of Story.

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https://bearinsider.com/s/1052/justin-wilcox-agrees-to-new-contract-through-2023

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So its good until 2023. Old news. No extension thiis year. We pay two years. Better than Wyking.

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The problem for Cal is that Jim Knowlton (recently extended til 2029) is the AD.

That means Cal will end up doing one of two things:

1) They keep Wilcox because his anger at post game pressers sells to gullible donors.

2) Knowlton finds support and fires Wilcox only to hire a search firm that will recommend hiring a coach that Cal will end up firing in five years.

And so it goes.

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Here's how you make lots of money from Cal.

• Get hired as head coach and do a mediocre job.
• That gets you an extension
• Do poorly enough to get fired and bought out.

Cash in at the job you really wanted.
Rinse and repeat for Cal.
Isn't this what we've been doing?

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Skeedabear said:

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westcoast101 said:

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It's over. Senior quarterback, 5th year head coach, and we're the worst program in the Pac 12.

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We have achieved the status of the indisputable door mat in the PAC-12…

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Not until we lose to Arizona. That game will be the Toilet Bowl.

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I wonder how many will still defend the status quo after we lose to Colorado? You know that Colorado has virtually no QB.