Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

jy1988 said:

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Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

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100%

jy1988 said:

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Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

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Not so sure about that. Norvell's record in 5 years as head coach at Nevada is 28-23. That's only marginally better than Wilcox's record at Cal (22-25). We should be able to do better.

Golden One,

If you look at his W-L record, it is trending up.

jy1988 said:

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Golden One,

If you look at his W-L record, it is trending up.

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When you give a coach their first HC job, you are often paying them as they learn on the job. Norvell is clearly learning. Wilcox does not appear to be.

If you saw the Nevada game you saw that they look like a well coached team and we do not.

In the last two years Norvell is 10-3. Wilcox is 2-7 and the gap will almost certainly be worse by the end of the season.

Norvell, played in the NFL, has coached in the NFL, coached in the PAC-12, lived in the Bay Area and is recruiting the PAC-12 footprint, including California plus Texas, so he would a seamless transition.

He is also outspoken on the issues of social justice, not just racial but has included sexual orientation in his statements. He would be a good fit on our campus and draw recruits to our school and students to the games.

Not saying he should be the choice, but he 100% should be a candidate.

Star here if you would pay $4 mill./yr. to hire head coach Sitake away from BYU.
If not, how much would you pay? Or why would you not hire him?

For reference, Sitake and Wilcox both have contracts through 2023. Wilcox will be making $3.6 mill. the last year of his contract. It is thought, although not public, that Sitake makes less than that--maybe around 2.5. Maybe we could get him for less.

Wilcox and Sitake have almost identical years as head coach. Sitake is...
9-4 (2016)
4-9
7-6
7-6
11-1
5-0 and counting
He is 3-1 in bowls and he is currently got his team massively overachieving.
BYU was scheduled for a big downturn after losing many key players to the NFL--not just QB Wilson.
So far that is not the case.
It's not like BYU has had an easy schedule so far. They have wins over Utah and ASU.

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Golden One,

If you look at his W-L record, it is trending up.

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True.

Sonny couldn't even get the cash to bribe a solid defensive coach to chance destroying his career, and come to Cal. No way he leaves paradise to come to berzerkeley.

heartofthebear said:

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Star here if you would pay $4 mill./yr. to hire head coach Sitake away from BYU.
If not, how much would you pay? Or why would you not hire him?

For reference, Sitake and Wilcox both have contracts through 2023. Wilcox will be making $3.6 mill. the last year of his contract. It is thought, although not public, that Sitake makes less than that--maybe around 2.5. Maybe we could get him for less.

Wilcox and Sitake have almost identical years as head coach. Sitake is...
9-4 (2016)
4-9
7-6
7-6
11-1
5-0 and counting
He is 3-1 in bowls and he is currently got his team massively overachieving.
BYU was scheduled for a big downturn after losing many key players to the NFL--not just QB Wilson.
So far that is not the case.
It's not like BYU has had an easy schedule so far. They have wins over Utah and ASU.

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Born in Tonga, grew up in Laie, Hawaii went to HS in Missouri. He is also LDS and a BYU alum, so it might be tough to get him away from BYU. He did serve as a missionary in Oakland and has PAC-12 experience. Worth asking if he'd be interested.

Sitake wouldn't come to Cal. He is a successful HC and a Mormon at BYU. No way. That is why it is no conflict of interest to enlist Holmoe as a consultant. He has a very limited number of people he could hire at BYU, since there is such a small number of Mormon HC prospects. So long as we stayed away from his rather small list, there would be no conflict.

Tedford could maybe call Chris Petersen and ask him if retirement suits him. He also have strong relationship with Urban Meyer. Of course these are big time long shots. But there very few coaches in this country that no pick up the phone and at least listen if JT calls. Someone like Kalen DeBoer would definitely listen to Coach Tedford.

And if Coach Tedford ever feel like it time to forgive Tosh, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. Tosh do terrible, awful thing. But that over a decade ago. He one of the few people with enough juice to turn us around (with strong recruiting and strong coordinator hires) who might be interested in coming here for reasonable price. But he would need someone like Tedford to forgive and embrace him to make this possible.

Cal Strong! said:

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Sitake wouldn't come to Cal. He is a successful HC and a Mormon at BYU. No way. That is why it is no conflict of interest to enlist Holmoe as a consultant. He has a very limited number of people he could hire at BYU, since there is such a small number of Mormon HC prospects. So long as we stayed away from his rather small list, there would be no conflict.

Tedford could maybe call Chris Petersen and ask him if retirement suits him. He also have strong relationship with Urban Meyer. Of course these are big time long shots. But there very few coaches in this country that no pick up the phone and at least listen if JT calls. Someone like Kalen DeBoer would definitely listen to Coach Tedford.

And if Coach Tedford ever feel like it time to forgive Tosh, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. Tosh do terrible, awful thing. But that over a decade ago. He one of the few people with enough juice to turn us around (with strong recruiting and strong coordinator hires) who might be interested in coming here for reasonable price. But he would need someone like Tedford to forgive and embrace him to make this possible.

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What Tosh did to Tedford was business. Dirty business, very dirty business, but business.

What Tosh did to his alma mater and his fellow Cal alums was treason.

calumnus said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Star here if you would pay $4 mill./yr. to hire head coach Sitake away from BYU.
If not, how much would you pay? Or why would you not hire him?

For reference, Sitake and Wilcox both have contracts through 2023. Wilcox will be making $3.6 mill. the last year of his contract. It is thought, although not public, that Sitake makes less than that--maybe around 2.5. Maybe we could get him for less.

Wilcox and Sitake have almost identical years as head coach. Sitake is...
9-4 (2016)
4-9
7-6
7-6
11-1
5-0 and counting
He is 3-1 in bowls and he is currently got his team massively overachieving.
BYU was scheduled for a big downturn after losing many key players to the NFL--not just QB Wilson.
So far that is not the case.
It's not like BYU has had an easy schedule so far. They have wins over Utah and ASU.

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Born in Tonga, grew up in Laie, Hawaii went to HS in Missouri. He is also LDS and a BYU alum, so it might be tough to get him away from BYU. He did serve as a missionary in Oakland and has PAC-12 experience. Worth asking if he'd be interested.

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BYU is on its way to the Big-12, no point now.

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Cal Strong! said:

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Sitake wouldn't come to Cal. He is a successful HC and a Mormon at BYU. No way. That is why it is no conflict of interest to enlist Holmoe as a consultant. He has a very limited number of people he could hire at BYU, since there is such a small number of Mormon HC prospects. So long as we stayed away from his rather small list, there would be no conflict.

Tedford could maybe call Chris Petersen and ask him if retirement suits him. He also have strong relationship with Urban Meyer. Of course these are big time long shots. But there very few coaches in this country that no pick up the phone and at least listen if JT calls. Someone like Kalen DeBoer would definitely listen to Coach Tedford.

And if Coach Tedford ever feel like it time to forgive Tosh, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. Tosh do terrible, awful thing. But that over a decade ago. He one of the few people with enough juice to turn us around (with strong recruiting and strong coordinator hires) who might be interested in coming here for reasonable price. But he would need someone like Tedford to forgive and embrace him to make this possible.

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What Tosh did to Tedford was business. Dirty business, very dirty business, but business.

What Tosh did to his alma mater and his fellow Cal alums was treason.

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Cal Strong respect this opinion. It strongly reasoned. Calumnus make strong scholastic distinction . . . in the strong spirit of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas.

But Cal Strong see possibility of redemption, even for a wretch like Tosh. Joe Kapp would need to step in to force Tosh to run stadium steps until he pukes. And Tosh would need to make a strong donation (the amount of his combined salary for all of his years at UW?) to the Doe library. Tedford would also have to forgive him. And his contract would need to include a $20mil buyout. But if he were to do things like this, Cal Strong would welcome him back. He could turn this program around if he hired strong coordinators.

Cal Strong! said:

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calumnus said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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Sitake wouldn't come to Cal. He is a successful HC and a Mormon at BYU. No way. That is why it is no conflict of interest to enlist Holmoe as a consultant. He has a very limited number of people he could hire at BYU, since there is such a small number of Mormon HC prospects. So long as we stayed away from his rather small list, there would be no conflict.

Tedford could maybe call Chris Petersen and ask him if retirement suits him. He also have strong relationship with Urban Meyer. Of course these are big time long shots. But there very few coaches in this country that no pick up the phone and at least listen if JT calls. Someone like Kalen DeBoer would definitely listen to Coach Tedford.

And if Coach Tedford ever feel like it time to forgive Tosh, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. Tosh do terrible, awful thing. But that over a decade ago. He one of the few people with enough juice to turn us around (with strong recruiting and strong coordinator hires) who might be interested in coming here for reasonable price. But he would need someone like Tedford to forgive and embrace him to make this possible.

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What Tosh did to Tedford was business. Dirty business, very dirty business, but business.

What Tosh did to his alma mater and his fellow Cal alums was treason.

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Cal Strong respect this opinion. It strongly reasoned. Calumnus make strong scholastic distinction . . . in the strong spirit of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas.

But Cal Strong see possibility of redemption, even for a wretch like Tosh. Joe Kapp would need to step in to force Tosh to run stadium steps until he pukes. And Tosh would need to make a strong donation (the amount of his combined salary for all of his years at UW?) to the Doe library. Tedford would also have to forgive him. And his contract would need to include a $20mil buyout. But if he were to do things like this, Cal Strong would welcome him back. He could turn this program around if he hired strong coordinators.

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If Tosh is contrite, admits what he did, asks for forgiveness and pledges to do all he can for Cal, then I would forgive him.

I still wouldn't want him back as a coach.

Tosh's advantage was being young and smart with no scruples. He was ahead of the NCAA, when they limited the number of phone calls, he texted, when they limited texting, he played XBox with the chat feature. He let Polynesian players believe he was Polynesian (Lupoi is Italian). Then he was involved in improper benefits. He jumped to the NFL and has bounced around there, not a good enough coach to stick.

His main strength was recruiting, being young and hip, befriending recruits. However, he just turned 40. How does a 40 year old man playing video games with 16 and 17 year olds seem "cool"? If you want another Tosh for recruiting we need to promote another young energetic alum to GA and then be a 25 year old position coach.

What calumnus think of Cal Strong's walk of atonement plan for Tosh?

If calumnus was convinced in Tosh's coaching/recruiting abilities, would the penance prescribed by Cal Strong be sufficient?

Cal Strong! said:

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What calumnus think of Cal Strong's walk of atonement plan for Tosh?

If calumnus was convinced in Tosh's coaching/recruiting abilities, would the penance prescribed by Cal Strong be sufficient?

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No. For the reasons laid out above it isn't clear that To$h hasn't hit his expiration date.

I will return to one subject in another thread. Given the fact that most of our roster is AA kids and given that being AA on the Cal Campus is a challenge and a half, it would STRONGLY (got you there) behove the administration to look carefully and smartly at an AA candidate. This isn't a quota hire so there may not be a fit but it makes a ton of sense. It should escape NO ONE that while he lacked Xs and Os our best recent run in revenue sports corresponds to have Martin at the head of the Men's team.

Disagree. Montgomery got us a pac 12 championship and a win in the ncaa tournament. Martin did neither.

oskidunker said:

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Disagree. Montgomery got us a pac 12 championship and a win in the ncaa tournament. Martin did neither.

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He did so largely with players recruited by Braun. He is a great strategist, great at Xs and Os but was always a bad recruiter only sometimes made up for by his assistants and the momentum at Stanford. However, after Monty shoved Allen Crabbe on National TV, ensuing National debate on institutional violence in amateur sports, race relations, and embarrassing the university the university, he was done. We had zero players, especially African American players commit to him after that (our 2013 class was signed). Ivan Rabb's mother would not allow her son to play for him. Cal was not even on his long initial list.

The Monty team that won the PAC-12 did so in a year where Arizona, UCLA, Stanford and Oregon were horrible. They went 24-11 (13-5) but on Sagarin were 0-4 vs the Top 25 and 1-7 vs the Top 50. They won the first game, but lost the second and did not finish ranked, despite being ranked #13 in the preseason. No PAC-10 teams were ranked in the final AP Poll.

The Cuonzo team that went 23-11 (12-6), going undefeated at Haas, was 2-3 vs Top 25 and 5-6 vs Top 50. They finished 3rd, but in a much stronger PAC-12, earning a 4 seed, Cal's highest seed since the Tournament expanded to 64. They also lost in the first round, but due to a ****storm of circumstances, including injuries and the announced investigation into an assistant coach for sexual harassment just before the Tournament. That team still finished #23 in the AP, but with Oregon #5, Utah #13 and Arizona #13.

But if you have another HOF coach willing to come out of retirement and coach at Cal, by all means. Coach K?

What I want is a coach that can recruit like Cuonzo, but is better at Xs and Os, maybe not Monty level, but who can at least coach an efficient offense. However, a charismatic head coach can always hire a wizened assistant to help with X's and O's.

Smart and charismatic, able to sell Cal. If Jaylen Brown ever wants to go into coaching I hope we hire him.

But this is a football thread. I do find it a bit embarrassing that Stanford has had 3 African American football coaches and the idea still sparks controversy here.

What "controversy" are you talking about? One iota of evidence, please?

If anything, this board tends to go overboard in calling for Cal's next coach to have a certain skin color (and it's always black).

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What "controversy" are you talking about? One iota of evidence, please?

If anything, this board tends to go overboard in calling for Cal's next coach to have a certain skin color (and it's always black).

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Well there is one iota

Any chance Marshawn Lynch would be interested? I'd go with him or Urban Meyer. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Cal Strong! said:

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Sitake wouldn't come to Cal. He is a successful HC and a Mormon at BYU. No way. That is why it is no conflict of interest to enlist Holmoe as a consultant. He has a very limited number of people he could hire at BYU, since there is such a small number of Mormon HC prospects. So long as we stayed away from his rather small list, there would be no conflict.

Tedford could maybe call Chris Petersen and ask him if retirement suits him. He also have strong relationship with Urban Meyer. Of course these are big time long shots. But there very few coaches in this country that no pick up the phone and at least listen if JT calls. Someone like Kalen DeBoer would definitely listen to Coach Tedford.

And if Coach Tedford ever feel like it time to forgive Tosh, then that should be good enough for the rest of us. Tosh do terrible, awful thing. But that over a decade ago. He one of the few people with enough juice to turn us around (with strong recruiting and strong coordinator hires) who might be interested in coming here for reasonable price. But he would need someone like Tedford to forgive and embrace him to make this possible.

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Agreed, and I think Sitake (and Shaw) are good examples of why it makes sense to give an edge to alums when hiring a coach from the lower ranks or giving someone their first HC job: if they are successful there is a far better chance they will stay and not be lured away for more money or prestige.

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I would have no problem if Tedford were involved in some capacity with selecting a candidate for a potential opening. I would have no problem if Tedford were hired as a consultant to help Wilcox should he stay for the upcoming year. Say what you will about him. He was a good football coach, dealt with a ton of **** at Cal, knows the industry very well. He had a winning record at Cal in 9 of 11 years, 2 of 3 at Fresno. Did a solid job turning both around quickly.

Name another recent Cal coach that had that level of success?

Frankly, if I am candidate for the Cal job, I'd call Tedford.

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I have no issue hiring Tedford back.

The reality is he lost his mind for a long time, and needed a reset and get his non-football brain right again. He was not going to do that staying at Cal trying to right his sinking ship.

I have been around long enough to see people leave a company, burnt out, and come back with a bigger paycheck and title. Sometimes thats what it takes in the real world.

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jy1988 said:

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Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

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Not so sure about that. Norvell's record in 5 years as head coach at Nevada is 28-23. That's only marginally better than Wilcox's record at Cal (22-25). We should be able to do better.

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2017 3-9
2018 8-5
2019 7-6
2000 7-2
2001 3-1

His teams have consistently climbed the ladder so far.

.549 in the last 5 seasons
.641 in the last 4
.654 in the last 3
.769 in the last 2

The difference I am trying to show is program building. Something Wilcox has shown he cannot do.

That said, he is the level of success Cal can probably get. The alternative, realistically, is a guy with no HC record at all. I think we should plow through DC's and OC's and find someone will be good and stay, or fire them after a couple seasons.

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cal93 said:

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I would have no problem if Tedford were involved in some capacity with selecting a candidate for a potential opening. I would have no problem if Tedford were hired as a consultant to help Wilcox should he stay for the upcoming year. Say what you will about him. He was a good football coach, dealt with a ton of **** at Cal, knows the industry very well. He had a winning record at Cal in 9 of 11 years, 2 of 3 at Fresno. Did a solid job turning both around quickly.

Name another recent Cal coach that had that level of success?

Frankly, if I am candidate for the Cal job, I'd call Tedford.

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I have no issue hiring Tedford back.

The reality is he lost his mind for a long time, and needed a reset and get his non-football brain right again. He was not going to do that staying at Cal trying to right his sinking ship.

I have been around long enough to see people leave a company, burnt out, and come back with a bigger paycheck and title. Sometimes thats what it takes in the real world.

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The concept of taking a sabbatical in academia always made a lot of sense to me. However, Tedford never really developed an understudy (part of the reason he burned out). The only guy I can think of that might have made sense as the interim would have been Ron Gould. He was not successful as HC at UC Davis, but as a continuation of Tedford's program, maybe?

Tedford had mojo in his first five years. Then he lost it. I'm not sure he could get it back. However, I'd like to see him hired as an advisor to a young coach. It would have been great for Wilcox in retrospect.

However, if we fired Knowlton and hired Trdford as AD, I'd be excited about our future again.

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LunchTime said:

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cal93 said:

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I would have no problem if Tedford were involved in some capacity with selecting a candidate for a potential opening. I would have no problem if Tedford were hired as a consultant to help Wilcox should he stay for the upcoming year. Say what you will about him. He was a good football coach, dealt with a ton of **** at Cal, knows the industry very well. He had a winning record at Cal in 9 of 11 years, 2 of 3 at Fresno. Did a solid job turning both around quickly.

Name another recent Cal coach that had that level of success?

Frankly, if I am candidate for the Cal job, I'd call Tedford.

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I have no issue hiring Tedford back.

The reality is he lost his mind for a long time, and needed a reset and get his non-football brain right again. He was not going to do that staying at Cal trying to right his sinking ship.

I have been around long enough to see people leave a company, burnt out, and come back with a bigger paycheck and title. Sometimes thats what it takes in the real world.

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The concept of taking a sabbatical in academia always made a lot of sense to me. However, Tedford never really developed an understudy (part of the reason he burned out). The only guy I can think of that might have made sense as the interim would have been Ron Gould. He was not successful as HC at UC Davis, but as a continuation of Tedford's program, maybe?

Tedford had mojo in his first five years. Then he lost it. I'm not sure he could get it back. However, I'd like to see him hired as an advisor to a young coach. It would have been great for Wilcox in retrospect.

However, if we fired Knowlton and hired Trdford as AD, I'd be excited about our future again.

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Tedford had his mojo back at Fresno.

But Tedford no spring chicken. Doubtful he healthy enough to still coach. He better suited at helping us pick a coach.

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calumnus said:

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LunchTime said:

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cal93 said:

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I would have no problem if Tedford were involved in some capacity with selecting a candidate for a potential opening. I would have no problem if Tedford were hired as a consultant to help Wilcox should he stay for the upcoming year. Say what you will about him. He was a good football coach, dealt with a ton of **** at Cal, knows the industry very well. He had a winning record at Cal in 9 of 11 years, 2 of 3 at Fresno. Did a solid job turning both around quickly.

Name another recent Cal coach that had that level of success?

Frankly, if I am candidate for the Cal job, I'd call Tedford.

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I have no issue hiring Tedford back.

The reality is he lost his mind for a long time, and needed a reset and get his non-football brain right again. He was not going to do that staying at Cal trying to right his sinking ship.

I have been around long enough to see people leave a company, burnt out, and come back with a bigger paycheck and title. Sometimes thats what it takes in the real world.

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The concept of taking a sabbatical in academia always made a lot of sense to me. However, Tedford never really developed an understudy (part of the reason he burned out). The only guy I can think of that might have made sense as the interim would have been Ron Gould. He was not successful as HC at UC Davis, but as a continuation of Tedford's program, maybe?

Tedford had mojo in his first five years. Then he lost it. I'm not sure he could get it back. However, I'd like to see him hired as an advisor to a young coach. It would have been great for Wilcox in retrospect.

However, if we fired Knowlton and hired Trdford as AD, I'd be excited about our future again.

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Tedford had his mojo back at Fresno.

But Tedford no spring chicken. Doubtful he healthy enough to still coach. He better suited at helping us pick a coach.

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Three seasons, then had to step down for Heath reasons.

He is 59, has $millions in the bank, but can't risk his health with any stress.

I think he would be good as an advisor and mentor to a young Cal coach.

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Disagree. Montgomery got us a pac 12 championship and a win in the ncaa tournament. Martin did neither.

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He did so largely with players recruited by Braun. He is a great strategist, great at Xs and Os but was always a bad recruiter only sometimes made up for by his assistants and the momentum at Stanford. However, after Monty shoved Allen Crabbe on National TV, ensuing National debate on institutional violence in amateur sports, race relations, and embarrassing the university the university, he was done. We had zero players, especially African American players commit to him after that (our 2013 class was signed). Ivan Rabb's mother would not allow her son to play for him. Cal was not even on his long initial list.

The Monty team that won the PAC-12 did so in a year where Arizona, UCLA, Stanford and Oregon were horrible. They went 24-11 (13-5) but on Sagarin were 0-4 vs the Top 25 and 1-7 vs the Top 50. They won the first game, but lost the second and did not finish ranked, despite being ranked #13 in the preseason. No PAC-10 teams were ranked in the final AP Poll.

The Cuonzo team that went 23-11 (12-6), going undefeated at Haas, was 2-3 vs Top 25 and 5-6 vs Top 50. They finished 3rd, but in a much stronger PAC-12, earning a 4 seed, Cal's highest seed since the Tournament expanded to 64. They also lost in the first round, but due to a ****storm of circumstances, including injuries and the announced investigation into an assistant coach for sexual harassment just before the Tournament. That team still finished #23 in the AP, but with Oregon #5, Utah #13 and Arizona #13.

But if you have another HOF coach willing to come out of retirement and coach at Cal, by all means. Coach K?

What I want is a coach that can recruit like Cuonzo, but is better at Xs and Os, maybe not Monty level, but who can at least coach an efficient offense. However, a charismatic head coach can always hire a wizened assistant to help with X's and O's.

Smart and charismatic, able to sell Cal. If Jaylen Brown ever wants to go into coaching I hope we hire him.

But this is a football thread. I do find it a bit embarrassing that Stanford has had 3 African American football coaches and the idea still sparks controversy here.

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LunchTime said:

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Golden One said:

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jy1988 said:

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Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

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Not so sure about that. Norvell's record in 5 years as head coach at Nevada is 28-23. That's only marginally better than Wilcox's record at Cal (22-25). We should be able to do better.

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2017 3-9
2018 8-5
2019 7-6
2000 7-2
2001 3-1

His teams have consistently climbed the ladder so far.

.549 in the last 5 seasons
.641 in the last 4
.654 in the last 3
.769 in the last 2

The difference I am trying to show is program building. Something Wilcox has shown he cannot do.

That said, he is the level of success Cal can probably get. The alternative, realistically, is a guy with no HC record at all. I think we should plow through DC's and OC's and find someone will be good and stay, or fire them after a couple seasons.

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I think that you think too much, you thinker you.....

LunchTime said:

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Golden One said:

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jy1988 said:

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Someone else said it elsewhere, and I second the notion: if we end up looking for a new HC, Jay Norvell s/b given serious consideration.

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Not so sure about that. Norvell's record in 5 years as head coach at Nevada is 28-23. That's only marginally better than Wilcox's record at Cal (22-25). We should be able to do better.

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2017 3-9
2018 8-5
2019 7-6
2000 7-2
2001 3-1

His teams have consistently climbed the ladder so far.

.549 in the last 5 seasons
.641 in the last 4
.654 in the last 3
.769 in the last 2

The difference I am trying to show is program building. Something Wilcox has shown he cannot do.

That said, he is the level of success Cal can probably get. The alternative, realistically, is a guy with no HC record at all. I think we should plow through DC's and OC's and find someone will be good and stay, or fire them after a couple seasons.

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As thie above post shows, Lunchtime should stick to picking his nose, not coaches.


He's really good at it!

Tedford gave Wilcox his start as a GA at Cal. I find it hard to believe that Wilcox would not use him as a resource when he's needed one and when appropriate. Wasn't Tedford also an advisor to UW when Wilcox was on staff there? And probably Tedford's recent visit to Cal was more than a congenial visit?

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Tedford gave Wilcox his start as a GA at Cal. I find it hard to believe that Wilcox would not use him as a resource when he's needed one and when appropriate. Wasn't Tedford also an advisor to UW when Wilcox was on staff there? And probably Tedford's recent visit to Cal was more than a congenial visit?

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"Son, take the money, and don't sweat it. Everyone will blame 'Cal', not you."

bluehenbear said:

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Tedford gave Wilcox his start as a GA at Cal. I find it hard to believe that Wilcox would not use him as a resource when he's needed one and when appropriate. Wasn't Tedford also an advisor to UW when Wilcox was on staff there? And probably Tedford's recent visit to Cal was more than a congenial visit?

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Chris Peterson hired Tedford as an advisor at UW in 2016. Jonathan Smith, now HC at OSU, was the OC and Jimmy Lake, now HC at UW, was the DC. They won the PAC-12, were seeded #4 and lost to #1 Alabama in the CFP.

In 2016, Wilcox was in his one year stint as DC at Wisconsin, sandwiched between getting fired as DC at USC and hired as HC at Cal.