Eh, I don't know if its progress. I would need to know what the specifics of the allegations are before I determine if I feel the coach crossed a line. 'Verbal abuse' is just very vague.75bear said:
This is crazy, and it's not going to end well for anyone.
Sh*t that was the norm decades ago isn't flying anymore, and that's overall a good thing. Nostalgia shouldn't be the enemy of progress.
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golden sloth said:It hasn't even been a day since news of the allegations broke, therefore I think it is too early to say. I think it is stupid to expect former athletes to drop everything they are doing and jump on social media to defend their former coach. Most probably haven't even heard the news yet, and some very well may not be on social media (because social media is dumb).DiabloWags said:76BearsFly said:
Hope the allegations about McKeever and Knowlton are false. Due process coming up….
Do you not find it unusual that Natalie Coughlan or Missy Franklin have not come out in support of McKeever; or any other CAL swimmer for that matter?
Cool story bro.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
golden sloth said:Eh, I don't know if its progress. I would need to know what the specifics of the allegations are before I determine if I feel the coach crossed a line. 'Verbal abuse' is just very vague.75bear said:
This is crazy, and it's not going to end well for anyone.
Sh*t that was the norm decades ago isn't flying anymore, and that's overall a good thing. Nostalgia shouldn't be the enemy of progress.
Doesnt sound like you bothered to read the article.
Let us all know when you do.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
golden sloth said:It hasn't even been a day since news of the allegations broke, therefore I think it is too early to say. I think it is stupid to expect former athletes to drop everything they are doing and jump on social media to defend their former coach. Most probably haven't even heard the news yet, and some very well may not be on social media (because social media is dumb).DiabloWags said:76BearsFly said:
Hope the allegations about McKeever and Knowlton are false. Due process coming up….
Do you not find it unusual that Natalie Coughlan or Missy Franklin have not come out in support of McKeever; or any other CAL swimmer for that matter?
Missy posted to Instagram Stories about 3 hours after I started this thread. Something about shoes.
Natalie posted an hour ago to Instagram Stories, in reaction to the mass shooting.
It would be hard for them not to know about this story.
Not with football at least - all done by JK. Does the Assoc. AD do womens' sports?DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:I should qualify this that I like Knowlton. The AD does exit interviews for athletes and he should know if things are going sideways with the women swim athletes. Either the allegations are overblown or Jim is not asking the right questions.Big C said:
McKeever has been at Cal a long time. I'm surprised this is just now coming to light. Or maybe she just started "venturing off the rails" the last several years?
Curious if other Cal swim athletes will now come to her defense. The fact that they haven't thus far could be an indictment, or it could be that the investigative journalists weren't looking very hard for "the other side" (if there is one).
Our AD has some 'splaining to do.
Not true.
The associate AD does the exit interview.
Not Knowlton.
wifeisafurd said:Not with football at least - all done by JK. Does the Assoc. AD do womens' sports?DiabloWags said:
Not true.
The associate AD does the exit interview.
Not Knowlton.
There are a number of Associate AD's.
They each manage a handful of sports.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
goldensloth said:
It hasn't even been a day since news of the allegations broke, therefore I think it is too early to say. I think it is stupid to expect former athletes to drop everything they are doing and jump on social media to defend their former coach. Most probably haven't even heard the news yet, and some very well may not be on social media (because social media is dumb).
Missy Franklin and Natalie Coughlin not on social media? Are you serious???
Had you bothered to read the article, you would have been AWARE that 5-time Olympic Gold Medalist MISSY FRANKLIN chose to DECLINE being interviewed for this story. In other words, no comment from arguably the greatest swimmer in Cal history, who I might add chose to be coached by Dave Durden (and not McKeever) when she came back to train at CAL in 2016.
PS. Word travels fast in the world of an athlete. You would have to be terribly NAIVE to think that Cal swimmers who had been interviewed for this extensive article, werent talking to others about it before it was published.
Terribly naive.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
enough parents of successful athletes are jerks too to not judge so quickly. I think as someone alluded to earlier some different generational points of view flying around about tough coaching I am certain.calumnus said:DiabloWags said:Big C said:
McKeever has been at Cal a long time. I'm surprised this is just now coming to light. Or maybe she just started "venturing off the rails" the last several years?
Curious if other Cal swim athletes will now come to her defense. The fact that they haven't thus far could be an indictment, or it could be that the investigative journalists weren't looking very hard for "the other side" (if there is one).
Our AD has some 'splaining to do.
Scott Carter, the father of swimmer Danielle Carter called McKeever "Teflon Teri. Nothing sticks to her".
That's a highly damaging reflection of our administrators in our Athletic Dept.
Darla Carter, (his wife) recalled requesting a meeting with Knowlton in the autumn of 2019.
"It was almost like talking to a wall," Carter said.
Knowlton, Carter continued, "said he wouldn't meet with me unless I was alumni, a graduate or wanted to donate money."
Any competent administrator thanks the parents for coming to see him, reassures them that he will look into it. Then announces trainings for all the coaches from The Positive Coaching Alliance or a similar group. Shoot, even the Haas school must have relevant management classes. He is just SO bad, such a bad fit for Cal in the last half century much less the future we are headed into. The answer is not buildings.
upsetof86 said:
enough parents of successful athletes are jerks too to not judge so quickly. I think as someone alluded to earlier some different generational points of view flying around about tough coaching I am certain.
Doesnt sound like you bothered to read the article, either.
Numerous CAL SWIMMERS have made terribly damaging allegations. Not just the parents.
Moreover, not a single Cal Swimmer who swam for Coach McKeever has come to her defense. Just crickets.
That speaks volumes.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
DiabloWags said:upsetof86 said:
enough parents of successful athletes are jerks too to not judge so quickly. I think as someone alluded to earlier some different generational points of view flying around about tough coaching I am certain.
Doesnt sound like you bothered to read the article.
Numerous CAL SWIMMERS have made terribly damaging allegations. Not just the parents.
Moreover, not a single Cal Swimmer who swam for Coach McKeever has come to her defense. Just crickets.
That speaks volumes.
I found a defender, Karen Crouse, the former swimming beat reporter for The New York Times.
Did this pattern of behavior surface on @USASwimming camps/trips? It's a question worth asking. Whatever the answer, it's regrettable that people celebrate male coaches whose outbursts (should) raise eyebrows and then decry Teri's actions w/out knowing all the facts. https://t.co/XVxW6LN3KZ
— Karen Crouse (@bykaren) May 24, 2022
Full disclosure. My friendship with @TeriMcKeever goes back decades. These allegations are serious, without question. That said, I see a lot of people drawing conclusions without knowing any of the parties and having not heard both sides. Teri deserves due process, as do we all. https://t.co/XVxW6Lvsmp
— Karen Crouse (@bykaren) May 24, 2022
DiabloWags said:upsetof86 said:
enough parents of successful athletes are jerks too to not judge so quickly. I think as someone alluded to earlier some different generational points of view flying around about tough coaching I am certain.
Doesnt sound like you bothered to read the article.
Numerous CAL SWIMMERS have made terribly damaging allegations. Not just the parents.
Moreover, not a single Cal Swimmer who swam for Coach McKeever has come to her defense. Just crickets.
That speaks volumes.
Some of the allegations were "generational." For an example, telling a scholarship athlete they are lazy doesn't bother me. Making fun of the Stanford coach? Lol, good. I read those and similar allegations and said, "Is that all?"
The thing is - that was not all. Not even close. Some of the allegations are awful. Just despicable. Those allegations portray a coach who has serious issues and has become so focused on winning, for her own ego's sake, she lost sight of the point of coaching. She was my coaching the team. She thought she was the team.
Anyone saying it is generational is either ignoring the more serious allegations or they simply didn't read the whole article.
upsetof86 said:enough parents of successful athletes are jerks too to not judge so quickly. I think as someone alluded to earlier some different generational points of view flying around about tough coaching I am certain.calumnus said:DiabloWags said:Big C said:
McKeever has been at Cal a long time. I'm surprised this is just now coming to light. Or maybe she just started "venturing off the rails" the last several years?
Curious if other Cal swim athletes will now come to her defense. The fact that they haven't thus far could be an indictment, or it could be that the investigative journalists weren't looking very hard for "the other side" (if there is one).
Our AD has some 'splaining to do.
Scott Carter, the father of swimmer Danielle Carter called McKeever "Teflon Teri. Nothing sticks to her".
That's a highly damaging reflection of our administrators in our Athletic Dept.
Darla Carter, (his wife) recalled requesting a meeting with Knowlton in the autumn of 2019.
"It was almost like talking to a wall," Carter said.
Knowlton, Carter continued, "said he wouldn't meet with me unless I was alumni, a graduate or wanted to donate money."
Any competent administrator thanks the parents for coming to see him, reassures them that he will look into it. Then announces trainings for all the coaches from The Positive Coaching Alliance or a similar group. Shoot, even the Haas school must have relevant management classes. He is just SO bad, such a bad fit for Cal in the last half century much less the future we are headed into. The answer is not buildings.
So what? Parents of prospective and current athletes are part of his constituency and he should at least hear them out and if the allegations are serious tell them he will look into it and follow up. He can't say he wil not talk with parents just because some are "jerks."
The allegations in the article are serious. If this was happening and he blew off athletes and their parents who tried to inform him about them then he should be fired. The athletics department is presumably FOR the athletes. And "generational" as an excuse just shows how out of touch he is with the modern era and with the Berkeley campus. We fired Campanelli for verbal abuse in the 1980s, and this goes beyond that. Indiana fired Bobby Knight decades ago. Indiana. Last Century.
Just a completely bad fit for our school at this period in history.
okaydo said:
I found a defender, Karen Crouse, the former swimming beat reporter for The New York Times.Full disclosure. My friendship with @TeriMcKeever goes back decades. These allegations are serious, without question. That said, I see a lot of people drawing conclusions without knowing any of the parties and having not heard both sides. Teri deserves due process, as do we all. https://t.co/XVxW6Lvsmp
— Karen Crouse (@bykaren) May 24, 2022
Not surprising.
She was a swimmer at USC.
I see she's getting better at FULL DISCLOSURE.
She resigned from the NYT sports (after having been suspended) because she was working with Michael Phelps on an upcoming book and lacked full disclosure regarding the newspaper's conflict of interest policy. For having done so, she was taken off the swimming beat by the NYT when she was all set to cover the Summer Games in Tokyo. That's a pretty big "hit" to one's journalism career after having spent years climbing the mountain.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Nothing to see here.
It's just really "vague" stuff about verbal abuse.
"Clark said she met with Simon-O'Neill, the Cal athletic department's senior women's administrator, to complain about body-shaming issues and that McKeever violated federal privacy laws by revealing her Crohn's disease to the rest of the team without her permission. Simon-O'Neill apologized for the privacy breach and said she would talk McKeever about privacy issues, Clark said.
But Simon-O'Neill added, according to Clark, "'Teri is producing Olympians, she's an Olympic coach. There's really nothing more I can do for you.'
"She was so biased. I was trying to bring up real issues.
She totally had Teri's back. She did not have the athlete's back."
It's just really "vague" stuff about verbal abuse.
"Clark said she met with Simon-O'Neill, the Cal athletic department's senior women's administrator, to complain about body-shaming issues and that McKeever violated federal privacy laws by revealing her Crohn's disease to the rest of the team without her permission. Simon-O'Neill apologized for the privacy breach and said she would talk McKeever about privacy issues, Clark said.
But Simon-O'Neill added, according to Clark, "'Teri is producing Olympians, she's an Olympic coach. There's really nothing more I can do for you.'
"She was so biased. I was trying to bring up real issues.
She totally had Teri's back. She did not have the athlete's back."
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Evidently Coach McKeever is the godmother to one of Jennifer Simon-O'Neill's children.DiabloWags said:sycasey said:
Further evidence that the Cal athletic administration is, as usual, totally out to lunch.
The comments allegedly made by Jennifer Simon-O'Neill are most troubling.
She's an Executive Senior Associate AD, and Chief of Staff & Senior Woman Administrator.
This is clearly not just about McKeever.
maxer said:Evidently Coach McKeever is the godmother to one Jennifer Simon-O'Niell's children.DiabloWags said:sycasey said:
Further evidence that the Cal athletic administration is, as usual, totally out to lunch.
The comments allegedly made by Jennifer Simon-O'Neill are most troubling.
She's an Executive Senior Associate AD, and Chief of Staff & Senior Woman Administrator.
This is clearly not just about McKeever.
I would imagine that Ms. Simon-O'Neill's job is on the line here.
A $200,000 a year job.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
So replace Assoc. AD reporting directly to the AD in my OP. Do you see that as a huge distinction?DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:Not with football at least - all done by JK. Does the Assoc. AD do womens' sports?DiabloWags said:
Not true.
The associate AD does the exit interview.
Not Knowlton.
There are a number of Associate AD's.
They each manage a handful of sports.
wifeisafurd said:So replace Assoc. AD reporting directly to the AD in my OP. Do you see that as a huge distinction?DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:Not with football at least - all done by JK. Does the Assoc. AD do womens' sports?DiabloWags said:
Not true.
The associate AD does the exit interview.
Not Knowlton.
There are a number of Associate AD's.
They each manage a handful of sports.
Yes, I do.
And for what it's worth, I've previously met the person in charge of overseeing Cal Women's Swimming during an athletic competition at Cal (in another sport) where someone in the athletic administration needed to make a decision regarding a facility issue during the competition.
Not impressed with the manner in which they handled it.... and I'll just leave it at that.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
BREAKING NEWS: Cal swimmers walk out on Teri McKeever@CalWSwim @CalAthletics @UCBerkeley @TeamUSA @olympics @USASwimming @LA28 @Paris2024 @fina1908 @pac12 @NCAA_swimming #TeriMcKeever #swimming
— Scott M. Reid (@sreidreporter) May 25, 2022
https://t.co/7K3crRqwMQ
UC Berkeley places swim coach Teri McKeever on administrative leave https://t.co/EIQUJH2oWE pic.twitter.com/kubn5lELBw
— L.A. Daily News (@ladailynews) May 26, 2022
USA Swimming told of Teri McKeever’s alleged bullying in 2015 https://t.co/npPq1Acanr
— Mercury News (@mercnews) May 25, 2022
Well, this escalated quickly.
It's amazing how one media article can enact the change overnight that people/athletes/parents have been trying years to accomplish through "proper" protocols. The power of the media is impressive (just ask Phil Mickelson).
It's amazing how one media article can enact the change overnight that people/athletes/parents have been trying years to accomplish through "proper" protocols. The power of the media is impressive (just ask Phil Mickelson).
75bear said:
Well, this escalated quickly.
It's amazing how one media article can enact the change overnight that people/athletes/parents have been trying years to accomplish through "proper" protocols. The power of the media is impressive (just ask Phil Mickelson).
No, its amazing how our beloved University turned a blind eye to abuse....going back to the days of Robert Birgeneau.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Read the whole article. It's important. This really makes me sick and ashamed. Many heads need to roll.
Knowlton brushing it off as McKeever being an old-school "tough" coach and now meeting with most likely the very same people he refused to see after the media attention is pretty disgusting. I can't see how he's not sent packing along with Simon-O'Neill.bearsandgiants said:
Read the whole article. It's important. This really makes me sick and ashamed. Many heads need to roll.
It's always the same pattern within Cal Athletics: brush a problem under the rug before it gets too big to ignore. This goes beyond Knowlton.
62bear said:Knowlton brushing it off as McKeever being an old-school "tough" coach and now meeting with most likely the very same people he refused to see after the media attention is pretty disgusting. I can't see how he's not sent packing along with Simon-O'Neill.bearsandgiants said:
Read the whole article. It's important. This really makes me sick and ashamed. Many heads need to roll.
These are my thoughts as well.
This is in Chancellor Christ's court now.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Perhaps an unpopular statement here. I do not know the women swimming coach. Society has changed and the way kids were coached in the past is not the way now. Kids have more of a voice but also have gotten less tough. It is not only in sports like swimming, it is sport wide. Coaches need to adapt or will deal with the consequences. I can tell from experience that kids in college are taught to come forth with their own problems and solve them. D-1 sports come with a lot of pressure on performance. It is also a choice to be a D1athlete. No one is forcing them to do it. There is no space for helicopter parents. Now if it comes to light that alleged countless complaints were not followed upon than that is an institutional problem. I just wonder that just now this has come to light. Why did it take this long? The coach deserves due process and the athletes deserve a thorough review and to be able to perform their sport without constant fear from what a coach may or may not do.
Goobear said:
Perhaps an unpopular statement here. I do not know the women swimming coach. Society has changed and the way kids were coached in the past is not the way now. Kids have more of a voice but also have gotten less tough. It is not only in sports like swimming, it is sport wide. Coaches need to adapt or will deal with the consequences. I can tell from experience that kids in college are taught to come forth with their own problems and solve them. D-1 sports come with a lot of pressure on performance. It is also a choice to be a D1athlete. No one is forcing them to do it. There is no space for helicopter parents. Now if it comes to light that alleged countless complaints were not followed upon than that is an institutional problem. I just wonder that just now this has come to light. Why did it take this long? The coach deserves due process and the athletes deserve a thorough review and to be able to perform their sport without constant fear from what a coach may or may not do.
Did you not bother to read the article from the San Jose Mercury News?
You sound unaware that complaints about abuse were made known to Chancellor Birgeneau as far back as 2010, about abuse going back to 2001. - - - Why do you think it's taken so long for all of this to come to light?
I'll give you one guess.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
I don't have access. Diablo what are your thoughts why it took so long?DiabloWags said:Goobear said:
Perhaps an unpopular statement here. I do not know the women swimming coach. Society has changed and the way kids were coached in the past is not the way now. Kids have more of a voice but also have gotten less tough. It is not only in sports like swimming, it is sport wide. Coaches need to adapt or will deal with the consequences. I can tell from experience that kids in college are taught to come forth with their own problems and solve them. D-1 sports come with a lot of pressure on performance. It is also a choice to be a D1athlete. No one is forcing them to do it. There is no space for helicopter parents. Now if it comes to light that alleged countless complaints were not followed upon than that is an institutional problem. I just wonder that just now this has come to light. Why did it take this long? The coach deserves due process and the athletes deserve a thorough review and to be able to perform their sport without constant fear from what a coach may or may not do.
Did you not bother to read the article from the San Jose Mercury News?
You sound unaware that complaints about abuse were made known to Chancellor Birgeneau as far back as 2010 - - - about abuse going back to 2001. - - - Why do you think it's taken so long for all of this to come to light?
Goobear said:I don't have access. Diablo what are your thoughts why it took so long?DiabloWags said:
Did you not bother to read the article from the San Jose Mercury News?
You sound unaware that complaints about abuse were made known to Chancellor Birgeneau as far back as 2010 - - - about abuse going back to 2001. - - - Why do you think it's taken so long for all of this to come to light?
Please do yourself a favor and read the article that EVERYONE has had access to:
UC Berkeley swimmers allege coach Teri McKeever bullied and verbally abused them for years Orange County Register (ocregister.com)
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Breaking: The U.S. Center for SafeSport is investigating U.S. Olympic and California swimming coach Teri McKeever over multiple allegations of verbal and emotional abuse. My @usatodaysports story: https://t.co/gMyPkCcmIV
— Christine Brennan (@cbrennansports) May 26, 2022
As you know, SafeSport hasnt been very well thought of by the gymnasts of our recent Olympic teams.
But this development, is indeed significant.
But this development, is indeed significant.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
thanks for the PM. Stunned and amazed is all I can say. Heads should roll.DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:So replace Assoc. AD reporting directly to the AD in my OP. Do you see that as a huge distinction?DiabloWags said:wifeisafurd said:Not with football at least - all done by JK. Does the Assoc. AD do womens' sports?DiabloWags said:
Not true.
The associate AD does the exit interview.
Not Knowlton.
There are a number of Associate AD's.
They each manage a handful of sports.
Yes, I do.
And for what it's worth, I've previously met the person in charge of overseeing Cal Women's Swimming during an athletic competition at Cal (in another sport) where someone in the athletic administration needed to make a decision regarding a facility issue during the competition.
Not impressed with the manner in which they handled it.... and I'll just leave it at that.
Dick post…bro
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