wallyball2003 said:
Dick post…bro
Excuse me?
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
OT: Teri McKeever
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Excuse me?
DiabloWags said:Goobear said:
Perhaps an unpopular statement here. I do not know the women swimming coach. Society has changed and the way kids were coached in the past is not the way now. Kids have more of a voice but also have gotten less tough. It is not only in sports like swimming, it is sport wide. Coaches need to adapt or will deal with the consequences. I can tell from experience that kids in college are taught to come forth with their own problems and solve them. D-1 sports come with a lot of pressure on performance. It is also a choice to be a D1athlete. No one is forcing them to do it. There is no space for helicopter parents. Now if it comes to light that alleged countless complaints were not followed upon than that is an institutional problem. I just wonder that just now this has come to light. Why did it take this long? The coach deserves due process and the athletes deserve a thorough review and to be able to perform their sport without constant fear from what a coach may or may not do.
Did you not bother to read the article from the San Jose Mercury News?
You sound unaware that complaints about abuse were made known to Chancellor Birgeneau as far back as 2010, about abuse going back to 2001. - - - Why do you think it's taken so long for all of this to come to light?
I'll give you one guess.
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
NVBear78 said:DiabloWags said:Goobear said:
Perhaps an unpopular statement here. I do not know the women swimming coach. Society has changed and the way kids were coached in the past is not the way now. Kids have more of a voice but also have gotten less tough. It is not only in sports like swimming, it is sport wide. Coaches need to adapt or will deal with the consequences. I can tell from experience that kids in college are taught to come forth with their own problems and solve them. D-1 sports come with a lot of pressure on performance. It is also a choice to be a D1athlete. No one is forcing them to do it. There is no space for helicopter parents. Now if it comes to light that alleged countless complaints were not followed upon than that is an institutional problem. I just wonder that just now this has come to light. Why did it take this long? The coach deserves due process and the athletes deserve a thorough review and to be able to perform their sport without constant fear from what a coach may or may not do.
Did you not bother to read the article from the San Jose Mercury News?
You sound unaware that complaints about abuse were made known to Chancellor Birgeneau as far back as 2010, about abuse going back to 2001. - - - Why do you think it's taken so long for all of this to come to light?
I'll give you one guess.
Why be a dk to a parent of a student athlete?
Unlike Wallyball and yourself, I wasnt disrespectful at all.
There are a number of posters here that have CLEARLY not read the SJMN article.
Had Goobear read the article, he probably would have been able to answer his own question.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Care to enlighten me with your infinite wisdom as to how I am supposed to know that a poster is the parent of a student athlete?NVBear78 said:
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Well, in general, it's nice to be nice! And Goo has been posting on multiple boards here for years and has spoken many times of his son's experience as a student athlete at Cal.DiabloWags said:Care to enlighten me with your infinite wisdom as to how I am supposed to know that a poster is the parent of a student athlete?NVBear78 said:
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
All people -- here, everywhere -- deserve a modicum of politeness until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it.
NVBear78 said:Well, in general, it's nice to be nice! And Goo has been posting on multiple boards here for years and has spoken many times of his son's experience as a student athlete at Cal.DiabloWags said:Care to enlighten me with your infinite wisdom as to how I am supposed to know that a poster is the parent of a student athlete?NVBear78 said:
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
No worries.
I've read Goo's posts on many occasions and enjoyed his posts.
Go Bears!
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Big C said:
All people -- here, everywhere -- deserve a modicum of politeness until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it.
Agreed 100%.
But I must say that I find it rather bizarre that there are so many posters on this thread that have "chimed" in regarding McKeever (defending her with inane posts) when it's pretty clear that they havent even bothered to read the article by SJMN.
For example, not a single Cal swimmer has come out to defend McKeever.
Not Natalie Coughlin. Not Missy Franklin. The latter declined to be interviewed for the article.
And yet someone is actually posting that they probably arent on social media and/or havent heard about it yet.
Really???
Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!
It's a lengthy article.
Probably takes 40 minutes to read.
But still, I dont know what career or profession some posters have here that rewards being lazy.
I certainly have never been rewarded for being lazy.
Good Luck with that.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
All good Diablo. No worries.DiabloWags said:NVBear78 said:Well, in general, it's nice to be nice! And Goo has been posting on multiple boards here for years and has spoken many times of his son's experience as a student athlete at Cal.DiabloWags said:Care to enlighten me with your infinite wisdom as to how I am supposed to know that a poster is the parent of a student athlete?NVBear78 said:
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
No worries.
I've read Goo's posts on many occasions and enjoyed his posts.
Go Bears!
"No worries." I think you meant to write "I'm sorry NVBear..." since you were being both rude, with "your infinite wisdom" snipe, and clearly disingenuous feigning a lack of knowledge since anyone who has read Goo's posts on many occasions, would certainly know they are the parent of a student athlete.DiabloWags said:NVBear78 said:Well, in general, it's nice to be nice! And Goo has been posting on multiple boards here for years and has spoken many times of his son's experience as a student athlete at Cal.DiabloWags said:Care to enlighten me with your infinite wisdom as to how I am supposed to know that a poster is the parent of a student athlete?NVBear78 said:
Why be rude to the parent of a student athlete?
No worries.
I've read Goo's posts on many occasions and enjoyed his posts.
Go Bears!
If this situation is again swept under the rug, I can't support the university any more. For years, I've talked up Cal to prospective students and athletes as a proud alumnus. Imagine the guilt you'd feel if you lobbied to get your granddaughter to attend your alma mater, only to find out you helped usher her into a toxic environment that destroyed her sense of self and nearly left her dead. This is likely the case with multiple alumni. Lives were ruined here. Many lives. This is the most disgusting stain on our university's athletic department in our lifetime. This isn't about cheating, or paying players. Knowlton needs to be canned immediately. The current and former chancellors needs to be investigated as well. Don't let this story die.
I wrote Knowlton an email first thing this morning expressing the same sentiment, here is his email addy to ensure this does not die. All alums should be sending him emails, if they haven't done so already.bearsandgiants said:
If this situation is again swept under the rug, I can't support the university any more. For years, I've talked up Cal to prospective students and athletes as a proud alumnus. Imagine the guilt you'd feel if you lobbied to get your granddaughter to attend your alma mater, only to find out you helped usher her into a toxic environment that destroyed her sense of self and nearly left her dead. This is likely the case with multiple alumni. Lives were ruined here. Many lives. This is the most disgusting stain on our university's athletic department in our lifetime. This isn't about cheating, or paying players. Knowlton needs to be canned immediately. The current and former chancellors needs to be investigated as well. Don't let this story die.
jim.knowlton@berkeley.edu
Cool story Darlene.
As a former reporter for Bearinsider 15 years ago under Chris Avery, I havent really been posting here until last November. And when I have, its been in the Olympic Sport or OT Forum. Perhaps you might want to review my posting history, before making inane comments.
As a former reporter for Bearinsider 15 years ago under Chris Avery, I havent really been posting here until last November. And when I have, its been in the Olympic Sport or OT Forum. Perhaps you might want to review my posting history, before making inane comments.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
UrsineMaximus said:I wrote Knowlton an email first thing this morning expressing the same sentiment, here is his email addy to ensure this does not die. All alums should be sending him emails, if they haven't done so already.bearsandgiants said:
If this situation is again swept under the rug, I can't support the university any more. For years, I've talked up Cal to prospective students and athletes as a proud alumnus. Imagine the guilt you'd feel if you lobbied to get your granddaughter to attend your alma mater, only to find out you helped usher her into a toxic environment that destroyed her sense of self and nearly left her dead. This is likely the case with multiple alumni. Lives were ruined here. Many lives. This is the most disgusting stain on our university's athletic department in our lifetime. This isn't about cheating, or paying players. Knowlton needs to be canned immediately. The current and former chancellors needs to be investigated as well. Don't let this story die.
jim.knowlton@berkeley.edu
To be honest, I dont think Knowlton is someone that is worthy of our emails.
I would be contacting Chancellor Christ about this.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Goobear said:
All good Diablo. No worries.
It was great chatting with you the other day about you and your son's experience at Cal. Thank you.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
I'm w/you 1000%! You said it right on - perfectly.
My pleasure. Just had Cam Saffle, Luc Bequette at the house. Cal Football is a great culture.DiabloWags said:Goobear said:
All good Diablo. No worries.
It was great chatting with you the other day about you and your son's experience at Cal. Thank you.
DiabloWags said:UrsineMaximus said:I wrote Knowlton an email first thing this morning expressing the same sentiment, here is his email addy to ensure this does not die. All alums should be sending him emails, if they haven't done so already.bearsandgiants said:
If this situation is again swept under the rug, I can't support the university any more. For years, I've talked up Cal to prospective students and athletes as a proud alumnus. Imagine the guilt you'd feel if you lobbied to get your granddaughter to attend your alma mater, only to find out you helped usher her into a toxic environment that destroyed her sense of self and nearly left her dead. This is likely the case with multiple alumni. Lives were ruined here. Many lives. This is the most disgusting stain on our university's athletic department in our lifetime. This isn't about cheating, or paying players. Knowlton needs to be canned immediately. The current and former chancellors needs to be investigated as well. Don't let this story die.
jim.knowlton@berkeley.edu
To be honest, I dont think Knowlton is someone that is worthy of our emails.
I would be contacting Chancellor Christ about this.
This^
Delete.
BearSD said:
From the article. If this is true, Knowlton should be fired.Quote:
Several Cal swimmers and their parents said they have complained about McKeever to Cal athletics director Jim Knowlton and to Jennifer Simon-O'Neill, the school's executive senior associate athletics director, and senior woman administrator. Those complaints have either been ignored or met with indifference, swimmers and parents said, or in one case dismissiveness.
Four Cal seniors on the 2021-22 roster recently met with Knowlton and Simon-O'Neill and alleged bullying and verbal and emotional abuse by McKeever, according to three people familiar with the meeting. Knowlton told the swimmers that McKeever was just a hard, tough coach.
Darla Carter, Danielle's mother, recalled requesting a meeting with Knowlton in the autumn of 2019.
"It was almost like talking to a wall," Carter said.
Knowlton, Carter continued, "said he wouldn't meet with me unless I was alumni, a graduate or wanted to donate money."
And so should the SWA. Lots of troubling allegations here, including questioning students serious, documented medical conditions.
wifeisafurd said:I should qualify this that I like Knowlton. The AD does exit interviews for athletes and he should know if things are going sideways with the women swim athletes. Either the allegations are overblown or Jim is not asking the right questions.Big C said:
McKeever has been at Cal a long time. I'm surprised this is just now coming to light. Or maybe she just started "venturing off the rails" the last several years?
Curious if other Cal swim athletes will now come to her defense. The fact that they haven't thus far could be an indictment, or it could be that the investigative journalists weren't looking very hard for "the other side" (if there is one).
Our AD has some 'splaining to do.
If things are going sideways... note to all the highly educated bureaucrats... see *46% transfer rate*.
movielover said:BearSD said:
From the article. If this is true, Knowlton should be fired.Quote:
Several Cal swimmers and their parents said they have complained about McKeever to Cal athletics director Jim Knowlton and to Jennifer Simon-O'Neill, the school's executive senior associate athletics director, and senior woman administrator. Those complaints have either been ignored or met with indifference, swimmers and parents said, or in one case dismissiveness.
Four Cal seniors on the 2021-22 roster recently met with Knowlton and Simon-O'Neill and alleged bullying and verbal and emotional abuse by McKeever, according to three people familiar with the meeting. Knowlton told the swimmers that McKeever was just a hard, tough coach.
Darla Carter, Danielle's mother, recalled requesting a meeting with Knowlton in the autumn of 2019.
"It was almost like talking to a wall," Carter said.
Knowlton, Carter continued, "said he wouldn't meet with me unless I was alumni, a graduate or wanted to donate money."
And so should the SWA. Lots of troubling allegations here, including questioning students serious, documented medical conditions.
I believe that McKeever is the godmother of Jennifer Simon-O'Neill's oldest daughter.
Simon-O'Neill needs to resign.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
movielover said:wifeisafurd said:I should qualify this that I like Knowlton. The AD does exit interviews for athletes and he should know if things are going sideways with the women swim athletes. Either the allegations are overblown or Jim is not asking the right questions.Big C said:
McKeever has been at Cal a long time. I'm surprised this is just now coming to light. Or maybe she just started "venturing off the rails" the last several years?
Curious if other Cal swim athletes will now come to her defense. The fact that they haven't thus far could be an indictment, or it could be that the investigative journalists weren't looking very hard for "the other side" (if there is one).
Our AD has some 'splaining to do.
If things are going sideways... note to all the highly educated bureaucrats... see *46% transfer rate*.
Just to clarify, Knowlton doesnt do any "exit" interviews for Olympic sports.
They are handled by the Associate AD's who manage the sport.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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First-hand Twitter post from swimmer Anna Kalandadze now at Penn.
#TeriMckeever As one of the swimmers who experienced this abuse firsthand and came forward in the article, I can say that Teri’s favorite word was ‘accountability’, she preached it to us every day, yet there is absolutely no accountability about what was done to us from Teri/Cal.
— Anna Kalandadze (@anna_kalandadze) May 26, 2022
Daily Bulletin article:
"Kalandadze ripped open her foot during an ocean swim on a training trip to Hawaii.
"The trainer bandaged my foot," Kalandadze said. "Teri tried to force me to take them off...."
https://www.dailybulletin.com/2022/05/28/ex-uc-berkeley-swimmer-on-mckeever-i-honestly-didnt-know-how-far-she-would-go/
"Kalandadze ripped open her foot during an ocean swim on a training trip to Hawaii.
"The trainer bandaged my foot," Kalandadze said. "Teri tried to force me to take them off...."
https://www.dailybulletin.com/2022/05/28/ex-uc-berkeley-swimmer-on-mckeever-i-honestly-didnt-know-how-far-she-would-go/
movielover said:
Daily Bulletin article:
"Kalandadze ripped open her foot during an ocean swim on a training trip to Hawaii.
"The trainer bandaged my foot," Kalandadze said. "Teri tried to force me to take them off...."
https://www.dailybulletin.com/2022/05/28/ex-uc-berkeley-swimmer-on-mckeever-i-honestly-didnt-know-how-far-she-would-go/
It's an update from investigative reporter Scott Reid.
The same article appeared in the East Bay News Group and San Jose Mercury News in Sunday's paper.
He's the one who broke open the story with his article in the Orange County Register, which is owned by Digital First Media.
Scott M. Reid Orange County Register (ocregister.com)
Scott M. Reid is a sports enterprise/investigative reporter for the Orange County Register. He also covers Olympic and international sports as well as the Los Angeles' bid to host the 2024 Olympic Games. His work for the Register has led to investigations by the International Olympic Committee, the U.S. Department of Education, the California Legislature, and the national governing bodies for gymnastics and swimming. Reid's 2011 reporting on wide spread sexual abuse within USA Gymnastics and the governing body's failure to effectively address it led to Don Peters, coach of the 1984 record-setting Olympic team, being banned from the sport for life. His reporting also prompted USA Gymnastics to adopt new guidelines and policies dealing with sexual abuse. Reid's 2012 and 2013 reporting on sexual abuse within USA Swimming led to the banishment of two top level coaches. Reid has won 11 Associated Press Sports Editors awards for investigative reporting since 1999. He has also been honored by APSE for game writing, and enterprise, news, and beat reporting. He was an Investigative Reporters and Editors award finalist in 2002 and 2003. Prior to joining the Register in 1996, Reid worked for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Dallas Times Herald. He has a B.A. in the History of the Americas from the University of Washington.
Location: Southern California
Language: English
Affiliation: Investigative Reporters and Editors
Affiliation: Track and Field Writers of America
Award: Thirteen Top 10 Associated Press Sports Editors awards for investigative reporting since 1999; Also received APSE awards for beat reporting, news, game coverage and projects; two-time Investigative Reporters and Editors award finalist; James Dunaway Memorial/Track and Field Writers of America award winner for excellence in track and field journalism.
Expertise: Investigative Reporting
Expertise: Olympic sports
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Irvin Muchnick@irvmuch
May 29
(1 of 2) I asked the lead lawyer for the Munger, Tolles & Tolles investigation of embattled Cal women's coach Teri McKeever about a swimmer's complaint that they will not be proactively reaching out to accusers. https://concussioninc.net/?p=15014
Irvin Muchnick@irvmuch
May 29
The law firm conducting UC Berkeley's investigation of embattled women's swim coach Teri McKeever is as independent as a well-paid dog on a golden leash. The story: https://concussioninc.net/?p=15014
Irvin Muchnick@irvmuch
May 29
(1 of 2) I asked the lead lawyer for the Munger, Tolles & Tolles investigation of embattled Cal women's coach Teri McKeever about a swimmer's complaint that they will not be proactively reaching out to accusers. https://concussioninc.net/?p=15014
Irvin Muchnick@irvmuch
May 29
The law firm conducting UC Berkeley's investigation of embattled women's swim coach Teri McKeever is as independent as a well-paid dog on a golden leash. The story: https://concussioninc.net/?p=15014
The Munger "investigation" is for the purpose of protecting the powers-that-be. McKeever isn't coming back, but the administration's goal is to protect the administrators.
If I were a donor to Cal sports I would be extremely frustrated with wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a high priced law firm like Munger conducting a pointless investigation. This easily could have been done internally or with a more cost effective investigation. These big expensive law firms are incredibly poor value for something like this. Could easily end up in the 7 figures and take more than a year.
Unit2Sucks said:
If I were a donor to Cal sports I would be extremely frustrated with wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a high priced law firm like Munger conducting a pointless investigation. This easily could have been done internally or with a more cost effective investigation. These big expensive law firms are incredibly poor value for something like this. Could easily end up in the 7 figures and take more than a year.
I know of a guy that is retired from law enforcement and he worked for UC Berkeley's HR Dept., conducting investigations regarding complaints of harassment.
He would interview the various parties in question, do a 30 page write-up of a report that included direct quotes, and then an Administration official that he reported to would read his report and say, "Do you really want to put that in there?"
I wasnt a fan of the Cal athletic department under Sandy Barbour.
I saw how they bungled coaching hires with a ridiculous layering of bureaucracy back then.
It doesnt sound like anything has changed.
To your point, it's really hard to be a DONOR when you see these kinds of "decisions" being made.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Yes, if they were actually trying to investigate, someone like that would be fine.DiabloWags said:Unit2Sucks said:
If I were a donor to Cal sports I would be extremely frustrated with wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a high priced law firm like Munger conducting a pointless investigation. This easily could have been done internally or with a more cost effective investigation. These big expensive law firms are incredibly poor value for something like this. Could easily end up in the 7 figures and take more than a year.
I know of a guy that is retired from law enforcement and he worked for UC Berkeley's HR Dept., conducting investigations regarding complaints of harassment.
He would interview the various parties in question, do a 30 page write-up of a report that included direct quotes, and then an Administrator official that he reported to would read his report and say, "Do you really want to put that in there?"
The purpose of using a big name law firm is to insulate the university and administrators by relying on the unimpeachable expertise of the name brand they are forking the cash over to. No disrespect to the very fine lawyers who will no doubt be involved, but you don't need the keenest legal minds in the country to interview people and ask them what happened. Big law firms love doing these investigations because it's impossible for them to lose. Dan Snyder hired Gibson Dunn recently to "investigate" their sexual harassment. I've worked at firms that have done these investigations and let's just say it's a popular assignment.
Whatever happened to the investigation of the football team by the student who accused it of sexual harassment a few years ago?
SonomanA1 said:
Whatever happened to the investigation of the football team by the student who accused it of sexual harassment a few years ago?
Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I believe she was deemed largely non-credible. There might have been some sort of settlement to get her to shut up and go away.
Unit2Sucks said:
If I were a donor to Cal sports I would be extremely frustrated with wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on a high priced law firm like Munger conducting a pointless investigation. This easily could have been done internally or with a more cost effective investigation. These big expensive law firms are incredibly poor value for something like this. Could easily end up in the 7 figures and take more than a year.
Knowlton is just an amazingly bad fit to run the Cal AD at this time and he just got an 8 year extension. Unbelievable.
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