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mbBear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Is Knowlton going to avoid going to football pregame events this fall? Because if he's not, he's going to get an earful from everyone imaginable, and he deserves nothing better.

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I get that...and Knowlton has guests in the box on a game by game basis, it's not just what "pre-game" events he chooses to attend. And when I have gotten to be up in the box, it's because I am the guest of a donor of women's sports (not swimming), so it's not just about football people. I guess he can say he can't say anything because of "legal".....
But beyond that, recent article quoted women from long before Knowlton was on the scene. So, plenty of blame to cite long before JK....how did that go on? Success was valued more than the athletes? And how was it that McKeever was able to recruit at the level she achieved, long after the years mentioned? Recruits weren't scared away, there wasn't talk in the swimming community?
The more stories, the more amazing (not in a good way) this tale becomes....

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"It started before he got here" is not an excuse. We can't fire AD's who are no longer here. Obviously he is not responsible for what happened before he arrived, but you have to have to hold Knowlton accountable for his actions and inactions, his mistreatment of swimmers and parents, when these issues were brought to his attention. I don't think anyone disputes that he brushed off the parents' serious concerns multiple times and that an investigation was only launched after it hit the press.

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Maybe you weren't responding to me directly, but I wasn't making excuses, but rather asking the question of how this was on-going, without earlier ramifications. If anything, I was expressing institutional concern, and disbelief. Was she put on notice by anyone (whatever that means) and still went continued on, ignoring warnings? Were there influential donors and others who stood up for her? Again, not an excuse for anyone, just curious about all that transpired, and what we know and don't know.
I'm not posting to argue a side...my interest here is only Cal, and this incredibly awful story for some of our student athletes. Unlike some (many?) I enjoyed following Women's Swimming, especially at Nationals; and I was so excited when our HS in Pa. recently sent someone to the team (and she ended up leaving)...
The sport is waaaay secondary to the individuals, and how they were treated by this coach, but certainly Cal Women's Swimming in the short run will now be a shadow of better days.

mbBear said:

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calumnus said:

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mbBear said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Is Knowlton going to avoid going to football pregame events this fall? Because if he's not, he's going to get an earful from everyone imaginable, and he deserves nothing better.

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I get that...and Knowlton has guests in the box on a game by game basis, it's not just what "pre-game" events he chooses to attend. And when I have gotten to be up in the box, it's because I am the guest of a donor of women's sports (not swimming), so it's not just about football people. I guess he can say he can't say anything because of "legal".....
But beyond that, recent article quoted women from long before Knowlton was on the scene. So, plenty of blame to cite long before JK....how did that go on? Success was valued more than the athletes? And how was it that McKeever was able to recruit at the level she achieved, long after the years mentioned? Recruits weren't scared away, there wasn't talk in the swimming community?
The more stories, the more amazing (not in a good way) this tale becomes....

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"It started before he got here" is not an excuse. We can't fire AD's who are no longer here. Obviously he is not responsible for what happened before he arrived, but you have to have to hold Knowlton accountable for his actions and inactions, his mistreatment of swimmers and parents, when these issues were brought to his attention. I don't think anyone disputes that he brushed off the parents' serious concerns multiple times and that an investigation was only launched after it hit the press.

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Maybe you weren't responding to me directly, but I wasn't making excuses, but rather asking the question of how this was on-going, without earlier ramifications. If anything, I was expressing institutional concern, and disbelief. Was she put on notice by anyone (whatever that means) and still went continued on, ignoring warnings? Were there influential donors and others who stood up for her? Again, not an excuse for anyone, just curious about all that transpired, and what we know and don't know.
I'm not posting to argue a side...my interest here is only Cal, and this incredibly awful story for some of our student athletes. Unlike some (many?) I enjoyed following Women's Swimming, especially at Nationals; and I was so excited when our HS in Pa. recently sent someone to the team (and she ended up leaving)...
The sport is waaaay secondary to the individuals, and how they were treated by this coach, but certainly Cal Women's Swimming in the short run will now be a shadow of better days.

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Yeah not to you directly, more to the general "this started before Knowlton so he should not be blamed" or "he inherited this" line of defense.

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https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/06/23/uc-berkeley-team-doctor-has-been-suspended-while-under-investigation/

Cal Team Doctor Suspended while under Investigation.
Dr. Kent Scheff

Investigative Reporter Scott Reid for the SCNG.
June 23, 2022

DiabloWags said:

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https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/06/23/uc-berkeley-team-doctor-has-been-suspended-while-under-investigation/

Cal Team Doctor Suspended while under Investigation.
Dr. Kent Scheff

Investigative Reporter Scott Reid for the SCNG.
June 23, 2022

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Well, U$C and FUCLA paid an aggregate $2B in settlements for their jelly fingered gynos.

When in doubt, play the gender bias "victim" card.

https://www.ocregister.com/2022/06/25/attorney-alleges-uc-berkeley-coach-teri-mckeever-is-the-victim-of-gender-bias

A recent former CAL swimmer submits her experience with McKeever to Sports Illustrated.

Member of Cal women's swim team details Teri McKeever's 'abusive behavior' - Sports Illustrated

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DiabloWags said:

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A recent former CAL swimmer submits her experience with McKeever to Sports Illustrated.

Member of Cal women's swim team details Teri McKeever's 'abusive behavior' - Sports Illustrated

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In SI from the perspective of one of her "favorites" who McKeever tried to turn on her victims. Based on this if McKeever were a cult leader she would be called "evil."
Gives perspective why some who bought in to her "leadership" would not speak up: McKeever made them participants and complicit in the abuse.

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I would agree.
And the fact that it happened with young student/athletes makes it even more disgusting!

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A recent former CAL swimmer submits her experience with McKeever to Sports Illustrated.

Member of Cal women's swim team details Teri McKeever's 'abusive behavior' - Sports Illustrated

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Without defending in the least anything that McKeever did / may-have-done, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that the student-athlete interviewed in the article remained anonymous. It sounds like she has completed her Cal eligibility, so why not come forward? I noticed that she went out of her way to paint herself in a positive light, going to great lengths to say how she attempted to help the swimmers that were being bullied.

Again, not condoning McKeever's transgressions, but something about the article... a big piece in Sports Illustrated written by "A RECENT MEMBER OF THE CAL WOMEN'S SWIM TEAM".

Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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A recent former CAL swimmer submits her experience with McKeever to Sports Illustrated.

Member of Cal women's swim team details Teri McKeever's 'abusive behavior' - Sports Illustrated

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Without condoning anything that McKeever did / may-have-done, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the fact that the student-athlete interviewed in the article remained anonymous. It sounds like she has completed her Cal eligibility, so why not come forward? I noticed that she went out of her way to paint herself in a positive light, going to great lengths to say how she attempted to help the swimmers that were being bullied.

Again, not condoning McKeever's transgressions.

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She might have a 5th year of eligibility.
Or in the transfer portal.

Why bring the "baggage" of being a former Cal Swimmer under McKeever?

IF we cannot get Carol Felton to return to Cal, I would LOVE it if we could get Pablo Morales. I thought he'd be the natural replacement for Richard Quick at Stanford. But, coaching at Cal would be a way for Pablo to return to the Bay Area, and build a team from the bottom --> up - and that's something I think he may truly want to do. I mean, it's not THAT hard for a good coach to take over a top college program with the best swimmers in the country, and to be successful. However, I don't know how much gratification Pablo would get for doing something like that. (Maybe why he didn't return to Stanford when Quick left?) Whereas, if Pablo were to come coach the Bears, any future success the ladies experience would be directly attributable to his coaching. That's a challenge he may truly enjoy.

Plus, if Pablo were announced as the next Cal coach soon, I think there is a very good chance that several of the swimmers that have entered the portal may elect to stay at Cal.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/cal-womens-and-mens-teams-training-together-right-now-long-term-plans-unclear//

As a Bellarmine alumni, Pablo would be my dream hire.

But whatever is best for the CAL women who swim here.

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As a Bellarmine alumni, Pablo would be my dream hire.

But whatever is best for the CAL women who swim here.

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That would be so cool.

But would he be willing to leave Nebraska?
Hope Knowlton has a clue or is listening to the Big Four donors.

Pablo is one of the most exceptional human beings I have ever met. Obviously, extraordinarily talented as a swimmer. But, he is also one of the kindest, most humble, gracious, classy, positive individuals I've ever known. He has the name-recognition, experience at the highest level as swimmer and success as a coach that would, IMO, retain some of the ladies currently in the portal, and has a very close tie to one of the best currently in there.

The only thing that puts Carol above him, in my mind, is that she is a Cal swimming alum and Pablo...unfortunately...is a FURD. BUT, there are so many factors that make Pablo absolutely ideal for the position - perhaps even more so than Carol.

SoCalie said:

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Pablo is one of the most exceptional human beings I have ever met. Obviously, extraordinarily talented as a swimmer. But, he is also one of the kindest, most humble, gracious, classy, positive individuals I've ever known. He has the name-recognition, experience at the highest level as swimmer and success as a coach that would, IMO, retain some of the ladies currently in the portal, and has a very close tie to one of the best currently in there.

The only thing that puts Carol above him, in my mind, is that she is a Cal swimming alum and Pablo...unfortunately...is a FURD. BUT, there are so many factors that make Pablo absolutely ideal for the position - perhaps even more so than Carol.

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Sounds like Pablo would be more available? I don't recall
Nebraska swimming being that great.

SoCalie said:

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Pablo is one of the most exceptional human beings I have ever met. Obviously, extraordinarily talented as a swimmer. But, he is also one of the kindest, most humble, gracious, classy, positive individuals I've ever known. He has the name-recognition, experience at the highest level as swimmer and success as a coach that would, IMO, retain some of the ladies currently in the portal, and has a very close tie to one of the best currently in there.

The only thing that puts Carol above him, in my mind, is that she is a Cal swimming alum and Pablo...unfortunately...is a FURD. BUT, there are so many factors that make Pablo absolutely ideal for the position - perhaps even more so than Carol.

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those who choose to come over from the Dark Side are forgiven and absolved of all sin


see Montgomery, Mike

Big C said:

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SoCalie said:

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Pablo is one of the most exceptional human beings I have ever met. Obviously, extraordinarily talented as a swimmer. But, he is also one of the kindest, most humble, gracious, classy, positive individuals I've ever known. He has the name-recognition, experience at the highest level as swimmer and success as a coach that would, IMO, retain some of the ladies currently in the portal, and has a very close tie to one of the best currently in there.

The only thing that puts Carol above him, in my mind, is that she is a Cal swimming alum and Pablo...unfortunately...is a FURD. BUT, there are so many factors that make Pablo absolutely ideal for the position - perhaps even more so than Carol.

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those who choose to come over from the Dark Side are forgiven and absolved of all sin


see Mobntgomery, Mike

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Mike Montgomery is a Long Beach State grad. He was a mercenary for Montana, Stanford, the Warriors and Cal. It is a little different went they played for Stanford (or Cal) but there is precedent.

https://huskers.com/sports/womens-swimming-and-diving/roster/coaches/pablo-morales/8219

Lots of ties to the Bay Area.

New article, San Jose Mercury

UC Berkeley continued to give Teri McKeever pay raises despite bullying complaints

Pay raises and contract extensions for the world-renowned swim coach came within weeks of complaints to top Cal officials about McKeever's alleged misconduct

"In December 2019, University of California freshman swimmer Danielle Carter met with Golden Bears head coach Teri McKeever for the final time after a series of heated meetings with the coach and other athletic department employees in which Carter complained that McKeever had routinely bullied her. The bullying, the swimmer said, led to her walking into her dorm bathroom days earlier with the intent of committing suicide.

"At an earlier meeting with Carter and her parents, Scott and Darla, McKeever said, according to Darla, "'I'm not dealing with this piece of (expletive) for three years,' and she pointed right at Dani."

"This final meeting between Carter and McKeever was also attended by Jennifer Simon-O'Neill, McKeever's close friend and who as the executive senior associate athletic director had direct supervision over the Cal women's swimming program at the time....

"...Nowhere in the [employment] contract is student welfare mentioned."

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/08/03/cal-continued-to-give-teri-mckeever-pay-raises-despite-bullying-complaints/?utm_email=440D04DF4526A49954C5443CC4&g2i_eui=E71E7oMJzZi5yLSyBc3UjsTTKZnBoJr8faLktRsawQ4%3d&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=440D04DF4526A49954C5443CC4&active=no&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2022%2f08%2f03%2fcal-continued-to-give-teri-mckeever-pay-raises-despite-bullying-complaints%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual#