Honestly at this point I can barely muster the ability to really care. Here are some thoughts I guess

- Our OL clearly has regressed, the Buffs are not a good team. You could've made the argument that WSU just has an excellent DL, but there's just no excuse this week

- Plummer honestly looked pretty bad for a lot of the game. Missed throws, weird decisions to throw into triple coverage in the endzone. I wonder if its a combination of the injury + mentally just wrecked from the season so far

- The coaching has just been awful. I won't even try to give more nuanced, analytical takes. We should've wiped the floor with the Buffs. Doesn't matter that they might be 'invigorated' by a coaching change. Just so pathetic

- What a horrible performance coming out of the bye. I guess the 'internal assessment' that the team went under didn't help? Just so pathetic and sad.

- Obviously at this point Musgrave must go. Ideally now, likely won't happen til the offseason. I'm pretty done with the program at this point so I want to see Wilcox go too but lets be real nobody in the athletic department has a clue what they're doing

- Ott has to be thinking what the hell have I done coming to this clown show of a program. Man I hope we're ready to fork over a LOT of money because we have to blow him out of the water if he stays

- I guess on a slightly positive note, I thought Anderson was a good weapon who can be utilized more in future games

- Our TEs had brief flashes for the first time of ability

Just generally I think I might even be over the 'anger' stage of grief. I think I might just not care much in the coming games. The season's over. We're not going to a bowl. The only game left on the schedule that we might even make remotely competitive is Stanford. Woohoo. Donors have to be thinking what on earth??, maybe contemplating suing the program for malpractice or something to get their money back.

What a joke of a staff and program. I found myself at points in the game wondering if maybe a loss might spur some action to be taken. Then I realized our AD is run by a bunch of clowns and the program is a dumpster fire. Honestly, I think the worst realization is that at some point the meager amount of people who still care about the program (the people on this website, the fans who still come to games, the students who show up) will eventually move on from outrage to indifference. I think I'm on that path now.

This is a dispositively clarifying and liberating outcome. It freed up my Saturdays for the rest of the year (except for "big" game).

Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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At least with the first Dykes season (and Tedford's last) you knew the endgame, we really may be stuck here with this regime and that is crippling. Also, these guys didn't lose to winless teams in back-to-back seasons.

This is what happens after we all laughed at Furd for losing to OSU in the way they did!

dmh65 said:

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This is what happens after we all laughed at Furd for losing to OSU in the way they did!

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Strangely enough that regime may be near its end as well.

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This is what happens after we all laughed at Furd for losing to OSU in the way they did!

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Really, I don't see how we can look down upon or laugh at anyone.

dmh65 said:

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This is what happens after we all laughed at Furd for losing to OSU in the way they did!

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If OSU gets slightly healthy, they'll crush us!

It is time for a new coach.

Fire Wilcox and Musgrave. Sirmon to be interim HC. Toler call plays? This is just putrid.

Our water polo team is 14-1 and beaten 'SC twice this season, including today.
11-10.

I will no longer be wasting my time watching Cal Football.

Good luck everyone.

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Fire Wilcox and Musgrave. Sirmon to be interim HC. Toler call plays? This is just putrid.

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We used to rip on Sirmon but the defense is stout, and Wilcox apparently does not want to make the proper changes needed.

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Big C said:

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Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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At least with the first Dykes season (and Tedford's last) you knew the endgame, we really may be stuck here with this regime and that is crippling. Also, these guys didn't lose to winless teams in back-to-back seasons.

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This. We're looking at Wilcox for at least several more years.

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Strykur said:

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Big C said:

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Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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At least with the first Dykes season (and Tedford's last) you knew the endgame, we really may be stuck here with this regime and that is crippling. Also, these guys didn't lose to winless teams in back-to-back seasons.

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This. We're looking at Wilcox for at least several more years.

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He just got a raise and extension through 2027. There was no need for that, it was horrible for Cal. It has tied our own hands.

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Strykur said:

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Big C said:

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Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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At least with the first Dykes season (and Tedford's last) you knew the endgame, we really may be stuck here with this regime and that is crippling. Also, these guys didn't lose to winless teams in back-to-back seasons.

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This. We're looking at Wilcox for at least several more years.

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He just got a raise and extension through 2027. There was no need for that, it was horrible for Cal. It has tied our own hands.

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The reasons is that it was hinted that Oregon wanted to hire him. So you had to lock him up.

Or waste time looking for a new coach if he left.

Striking similarities between Colorado and Nebraska. Both fire coaches. Both look like different teams after a bye. Contrast that with Cal, which seemed unprepared.

I read people demanding firings on the tarmac. I don't see that happening, even though I want Musgrave gone yesterday.

I would encourage Knowlton to reach out to Ron Rivera's agent to gauge interest. I suspect he'll be looking for work.

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Striking similarities between Colorado and Nebraska. Both fire coaches. Both look like different teams after a bye. Contrast that with Cal, which seemed unprepared.

I read people demanding firings on the tarmac. I don't see that happening, even though I want Musgrave gone yesterday.

I would encourage Knowlton to reach out to Ron Rivera's agent to gauge interest. I suspect he'll be looking for work.

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Knowlton before the season gave Wilcox another big raise and extension through 2027. Unless we get a big increase in media revenue or a donor wants to fund Knowlton's flushing $millions down the toilet, we may have our hands tied.

Not knowing the contract details of Wilcox' contract or Musgrave's but - did we not just give Wilcox an extension? We seem to extend contracts way to prematurely. How tough would it be to fire both and move on? Full disclosure I did not watch the game as I coach soccer.

More of Musgrave/Baldwin "WE must attack the perimeter", no system , mentality identity: it is a pro style of RUn/ then switch to complicated route trees/ then eekk to 1st downs with 4 yards passes to the 260lb TE at the end of trips?HUH?

play aaction everyplay. throw 4 consecuutivie plays to open the game..some thing with flow, not a demostration of all imaginable plays of 2003-2007. we ran one screen!
No draws, Wilcox raved about their DL size abaility during the week...again no couneter to that w/ draws screens/
and that F**cks the OLINE and QB!!

Like the other post, I have gone thru 6 yrs now of caught between, while viewing, do i want us to lose 10 to something and FINALLY the OC must be fired..or eek out a win for a bowl game?
Musgrave cannot play chess, cannot scheme against specific opponents...same play calling no matter srenghts v weakness

If you're going to run the play action, you better SELL the play action. This is something that Aaron Rodgers and Jared Goff did very well. Full extension of the arm like you're giving it off to the running back and then pull it back. The play action that we're doing right now is absolutely horrendous execution. No one in their right mind believes it.

Hire Chryst and keep his brother.

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If you're going to run the play action, you better SELL the play action. This is something that Aaron Rodgers and Jared Goff did very well. Full extension of the arm like you're giving it off to the running back and then pull it back. The play action that we're doing right now is absolutely horrendous execution. No one in their right mind believes it.

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This. It just makes the play even slower-developing and forces the QB to take his eyes off the field 1/2 second longer.

Our plays are telegraphed.

You could see that Plummer was playing hurt. His throws were off half the time. Interim coaches win because they're not afraid of changing things and taking chances. Someone else needs to call O plays.

Fire Musgrave and McClure NOW. Promote Saffell to coach OL and bring Pawlawski out of announcer booth to OC ala Pat Riley and showtime Lakers. Could they do any worse?

Per SI: If Cal terminates Wilcox without cause at the conclusion of the first year it must pay him $3.6 million. That buyout increases to $3.75 million in 2023, $3.9 million in 2024, $4.05 million in 2025 and $4.2 million in 2026.

I'll concede that we aren't Nebraska or LSU, but that buyout seems manageable.

Honestly I've been Wilcox fan until this year. I was willing to forgive the Covid year, and overall he was a vast improvement over Sonny Dykes and late-stage Tedford. This season seems to be going off the rails. I mostly blame Musgrave.

But today was inexcusable- losing to arguably the worst team in the Pac coming off a bye. An experienced head coach doesn't let this happen at this level.

I'm not dead-set on a coaching change. But If we can get Ron Rivera, I think we should find the money and do it. And in that circumstance, I do think the $4M to buy out could be found.

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If you're going to run the play action, you better SELL the play action. This is something that Aaron Rodgers and Jared Goff did very well. Full extension of the arm like you're giving it off to the running back and then pull it back. The play action that we're doing right now is absolutely horrendous execution. No one in their right mind believes it.

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This ^^^

I wish Wilcox was a vast improvement over Dykes.

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This is a dispositively clarifying and liberating outcome. It freed up my Saturdays for the rest of the year (except for "big" game).

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I'll still go to the home games because it's my best chance to spend time with my father. But yeah, pretty much checked out from the results. If anything it's better that they lose.

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Strykur said:

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Big C said:

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Today was one of those "new lows" I have at least 1-2 dozen times per decade.

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At least with the first Dykes season (and Tedford's last) you knew the endgame, we really may be stuck here with this regime and that is crippling. Also, these guys didn't lose to winless teams in back-to-back seasons.

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This. We're looking at Wilcox for at least several more years.

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He just got a raise and extension through 2027. There was no need for that, it was horrible for Cal. It has tied our own hands.

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The reasons is that it was hinted that Oregon wanted to hire him. So you had to lock him up.

Or waste time looking for a new coach if he left.

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Yeah would have hated to waste time doing that......

I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. Here are (allegedly) the terms of the contract.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-contract-details

Now you know.

SoFlaBear said:

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Per SI: If Cal terminates Wilcox without cause at the conclusion of the first year it must pay him $3.6 million. That buyout increases to $3.75 million in 2023, $3.9 million in 2024, $4.05 million in 2025 and $4.2 million in 2026.

I'll concede that we aren't Nebraska or LSU, but that buyout seems manageable.

Honestly I've been Wilcox fan until this year. I was willing to forgive the Covid year, and overall he was a vast improvement over Sonny Dykes and late-stage Tedford. This season seems to be going off the rails. I mostly blame Musgrave.

But today was inexcusable- losing to arguably the worst team in the Pac coming off a bye. An experienced head coach doesn't let this happen at this level.

I'm not dead-set on a coaching change. But If we can get Ron Rivera, I think we should find the money and do it. And in that circumstance, I do think the $4M to buy out could be found.

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Add in the fact that Wilcox gets a 500k retention bonus if he's retained after the end of this year, really consider the buyout to be 3.1

It will only get more and more expensive from here to 2027. Act now at the cheapest price.

$3.1 Million is peanuts compared to the damage he's doing to the program.

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I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. Here are (allegedly) the terms of the contract.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-contract-details

Now you know.

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I am pretty sure Faraudo misread the contract. The amounts listed are the buyout amounts for each year of the contract. If we fired him now, Wilcox would be owed the sum of the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027 contract buyout amounts. I hope I am wrong,and if so, fire him now, but I am pretty sure that is the way it works.

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SoFlaBear said:

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I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. Here are (allegedly) the terms of the contract.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-contract-details

Now you know.

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I am pretty sure Faraudo misread the contract. The amounts listed are the buyout amounts for each year of the contract. If we fired him now, Wilcox would be owed the sum of the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027 contract buyout amounts. I hope I am wrong,and if so, fire him now, but I am pretty sure that is the way it works.

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Yep.

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SoFlaBear said:

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I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness. Here are (allegedly) the terms of the contract.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-contract-details

Now you know.

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I am pretty sure Faraudo misread the contract. The amounts listed are the buyout amounts for each year of the contract. If we fired him now, Wilcox would be owed the sum of the 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027 contract buyout amounts. I hope I am wrong,and if so, fire him now, but I am pretty sure that is the way it works.

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This would make much more sense. If Faraudo is correct then I think they seriously need to pull the trigger and terminate Wilcox. Is there any program in FBS that has a scaling buyout the longer a coach stays? If so maybe he didn't misread.