4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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After 6 years of complete mediocrity, Wilcox must be the only person alive "who believes he can get it done at Cal".

wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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It can't come soon enough and likely won't be big enough to make a difference.

ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

If there are any changes this week, the message I will be receiving from Wilcox is, "they ordered me to do this, so I did." Am I supposed to go to the Washington and Oregon games because they led Wilcox to water and made him drink?

The two best times to make changes are a) two weeks ago (beginning of bye week)... and b) after the final game.

4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

Firings on the tarmac would have been the immediate moves by a coach who knows that winning is the main thing he owes the fans, the players and the university in return for his substantial salary.

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Firings on the tarmac would have been the immediate moves by a coach who knows that winning is the main thing he owes the fans, the players and the university in return for his substantial salary.

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I'm angry but not vindictive or spiteful. I don't think Musgrave or Angus deserve to be humiliated. I'm sure they're fine people who did their best and feel awful about Cal's struggles. And by all accounts, they are stand up guys. The tarmac move is totally unnecessary.

But by Sunday night/Monday morning, an announcement should have been made thanking the two of them with "Wilcox reluctantly concluding that a new voice and approach was needed" and otherwise taking the high road. Hopefully that arrives tomorrow - a day late but whatever.

Given the buyout, I assume JW will return next year. So the more interesting question is who does he hire to replace Musgrave full time? Will JW look outside his comfort zone and hire someone not already in the same coaching tree (i.e., in JW's comfort zone)? Someone with a more modern scheme? That is when we'll know if JW is capable of adapting and learning from his prior mistakes.

And then he needs to hit the portal like his life depends on it and get some OL and maybe a DL or two. Cal has a lot of great young players and I think Plummer with a decent OL can be solid if not better.

Hopefully Sebasta can raise enough $$ to keep Ott, wrs and the other key guys around. With the right OC hire, I think that's possible (but you have to sell Ott hard).

Is the D line depth strong enough, so they could rotate a player over?

Avinash Kunnath@avinashkunnath

"Cal still has not won a football game outside the Bay Area the last three years. 0-10 since Bill Musgrave took over as OC and Angus McClure became OL coach."

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Is the D line depth strong enough, so they could rotate a player over?

Avinash Kunnath@avinashkunnath

"Cal still has not won a football game outside the Bay Area the last three years. 0-10 since Bill Musgrave took over as OC and Angus McClure became OL coach."

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Wow, just wow.

79 Bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

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Thank you for your support as well! Hoping that Greatwood is able to revitalize the OL.

4thGenCal said:

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79 Bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

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Thank you for your support as well! Hoping that Greatwood is able to revitalize the OL.

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So the MOVE by Wilcox is bringing Steve Greatwood out of retirement?

CAL4LIFE said:

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4thGenCal said:

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79 Bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

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Thank you for your support as well! Hoping that Greatwood is able to revitalize the OL.

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So the MOVE by Wilcox is bringing Steve Greatwood out of retirement?

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This would not be a surprise. And just about what you would expect from Wilcox.

Big C said:

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If there are any changes this week, the message I will be receiving from Wilcox is, "they ordered me to do this, so I did." Am I supposed to go to the Washington and Oregon games because they led Wilcox to water and made him drink?

The two best times to make changes are a) two weeks ago (beginning of bye week)... and b) after the final game.

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Cal is the ultimate bureaucracy. If the change occurred last week, it will be announced today. Otherwise, it will take some time to hear about. That s/b a given by now.

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CAL4LIFE said:

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4thGenCal said:

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79 Bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

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Thank you for your support as well! Hoping that Greatwood is able to revitalize the OL.

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So the MOVE by Wilcox is bringing Steve Greatwood out of retirement?

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This would not be a surprise. And just about what you would expect from Wilcox.

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I dont hate it as a short term fix. He knows what blocking technique actually is so a massive step up from Angus

Fire Starkey said:

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6956bear said:

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CAL4LIFE said:

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4thGenCal said:

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79 Bear said:

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4thGenCal said:

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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Simply unfathomable to give an unproven coach:

- such a long extension
- such a rich buyout

All bc Oregon was sniffing around?

Cause? Incompetence.

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Worse, it was after he turned down whatever Oregon offered. The only person who reported he was offered said it was a highly conditional offer, where his OC and maybe other hires would be decided for him, which makes sense. Oregon really only wanted him because he is an alum, a nice face to to the face of the franchise. Having turned down Oregon, no comparable school is coming after him with a losing record coming off yet another 5-7 season.

Knowlton could have, SHOULD HAVE, at least waited to see how the 2022 season went. Not doing so was gross incompetence that could be fatal to the program.

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To be fair and actual, Wilcox was offered the Oregon job twice and per what I was told, it was not conditional. Knowlton could not have waited - unless He was fine losing the HC and then having the program in complete shambles (assistants leaving, recruits/current players leaving etc). We can critique Knowlton for several poor decisions but to be objective - keeping Wilcox at that moment was the right decision. Wilcox is highly respected by the Chancellor ("outstanding values and university representative") Now the structure of the contract ideally could have had a more favorable buy out, but when a better offer (Oregon's offer was a bigger financial package)is on the table, its next to impossible tweak a already lesser offer. What was also not publicized, is that a a group of players met with Wilcox to implore him to remain their HC. Wilcox turned down a better financial package to remain at Cal because He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his coaches, his players and He felt the goal/job had not been met. He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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Thank you 4thGen for the very interesting information and insights. I for one am a JW fan and I do believe he will have success eventually. As you point out, some very positive things have occurred, which should pay dividends at some point. I think that some of those positive changes may have helped with bringing in one of our best recruiting classes of skill players for quite some time.

But the main reasons I have confidence in JW is his character and his tremendous desire to win. I appreciate his faithfulness to Cal and to succeeding at the job he was hired to do. I'm confident from what I've seen and read that he's giving his all. He may have a big blind spot when it comes to offense since his background is in defense, but he's taking his lumps and I believe he'll learn and adapt. I was never excited by the hires of McClure or Musgrave. I speculate that Wilcox looked at their resumes and the experience they had and figured they must be good. He's going to have to take a different approach next time around.

We'll see what happens. I certainly think change is needed, but in my view that doesn't mean a change in the HC.

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Thank you for your support as well! Hoping that Greatwood is able to revitalize the OL.

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So the MOVE by Wilcox is bringing Steve Greatwood out of retirement?

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This would not be a surprise. And just about what you would expect from Wilcox.

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I dont hate it as a short term fix. He knows what blocking technique actually is so a massive step up from Angus

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I am not against it. It is just typical Wilcox. I hope it helps if true.

wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

4thGenCal said:

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He absolutely wants and believes He can get it done at Cal.

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I want him to "get it done" too, but I don't believe him.

Rushinbear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

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Agreed.
And what makes anyone think that Wilcox will be able to finally get a hiring OC decision right after already going 0 - 2?

Bringing in Greatwood to take over would be a step in the right direction...but that still doesn't address the headscratching playcalling going on.

1. Great OLine and character guy
2. At Oregon he was Associate HC - will he help Wilcox right the ship?
3. Is Musgrave limiting his offense bc he's protecting his QB?

Is there an upcoming offensive mind on staff, who can be a devils advocate and speak up? Best I can recall is Kevin Daft. (Daft has consistently had Dartmouth humming to frequent 9-1 records.) If not, why not.

JW approved the game plan for Colorado, and halftime adjustments weren't enough.

Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

There will be changes . . .

movielover said:

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1. Great OLine and character guy
2. At Oregon he was Associate HC - will he help Wilcox right the ship?
3. Is Musgrave limiting his offense bc he's protecting his QB?

Is there an upcoming offensive mind on staff, who can be a devils advocate and speak up? Best I can recall is Kevin Daft. (Daft has consistently had Dartmouth humming to frequent 9-1 records.) If not, why not.

JW approved the game plan for Colorado, and halftime adjustments weren't enough.

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I wouldn't call what happened in the WSU & CU games protecting the QB from the OC.

DiabloWags said:

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Rushinbear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

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Agreed.
And what makes anyone think that Wilcox will be able to finally get a hiring OC decision right after already going 0 - 2?

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I was just reacting to the "keep the staff or let them go" question. See my other comments re dumping Crist before dumping Knowlton before dumping JW before dumping the staff. If Crist would dump Knowlton, she'd still be picking his replacement. And, so on.

The question is, how to dump Crist when the Cal culture wouldn't support it. Bags of money, that's how.

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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Assuming Greatwood can improve blocking TECHNIQUES over the next few weeks, but without changing personnel or playcalling by Musgrave, this might improve the team 1% at most. There is no future game that will be changed from a loss to a win by this move.

We had horrible offenses with Greatwood as our OL coach. He is a major reason we have the OL we have.

More importantly, when Colorado stuffed 9 in the box on 1st down and we ran Ott straight into them anyway, the reason the play failed will not be solved by better blocking techniques. Even an NFL line is only going to get 2 yards out of that.

Big C said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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There isn't a whole lot they could do to make things better *this year*. Bringing in a coach that is not only familiar with the staff, but familiar with at least some of the personnel is about the best you could ask for for immediate improvement. Better coaches are already employed elsewhere and what we really needed was a technician to come in and coach our guys up...so this is about as good as we could have asked for for immediate improvement on the OL.

There is still more that could be done for the offensive coordinator position right now, and I hope that our play calling is at least being addressed behind the scenes.

The real litmus test will be what we do in the off season. If Wilcox can make a splashy hire, either with Cal connections (like Troy Taylor), or a well regarded coach (preferably in a more modern offense) that is a slam dunk, then there is some hope for him. If he reaches out to some old coaches for advice/help in the search that would be even better. That's a lot of if's though.

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

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Well I suspect that Angus for one knows he is on borrowed time. Same with Musgrave, since Wilcox made clear Greenwood's role is more than just oline. I expect new play calling responsibilities to be announced.

wifeisafurd said:

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Rushinbear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

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Well I suspect that Angus for one knows he is on borrowed time. Same with Musgrave, since Wilcox made clear Greenwood's role is more than just oline. I expect new play calling responsibilities to be announced.

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Move Musgrave upstairs. Change everything.

After one tough season (5-7), Texas' new coach Steve Sarkisian added Gary Patterson to his staff. Who knows, maybe the AD demanded it. Texas is now 5-2, and lost two close games, including a 1 point loss to the number one program in the country. (Patterson is a proven winner who learned a ton from former Bear coach Bob Foster.)

Would JW bring in a Chris Peterson, Troy Taylor or GP?

KoreAmBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Rushinbear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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ducky23 said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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Expect some news.

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Yeah but are we just shuffling deck chairs or getting an entirely new hull?

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This was the first time in a post-game interview I every saw Wilcox call out a unit, the o-line, for bad play, so I have think McCure is gone, or has been moved to lead the non-existent cheerleading team (which apparently may be coming back). But you have to think someone else is gong to be coaching the o-line unit. Beyond that, it is speculation.

You don't have to be smarter than a brick to know Musgrave is not coming back. The only issue is timing. It may be he in effect becomes the QB coach and someone else calls plays plays, etc, Maybe some combination of Geep Christ, his brother, Wilcox or for that matter BearGreg (who still would be an upgrade over Musgave's playing calling in the last two games).

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You cannot demote someone and expect the new guy not to be looking over his shoulder and interpreting every suggestion as criticism.

They gotta go. It's not like these guys are the only coaches out there.

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Well I suspect that Angus for one knows he is on borrowed time. Same with Musgrave, since Wilcox made clear Greenwood's role is more than just oline. I expect new play calling responsibilities to be announced.

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Move Musgrave upstairs. Change everything.

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Move Musgrave to the basement office with a red stapler.

Big C said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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It just occurred to me that Greatwood was the master of coaching OL holding, both at UO and at Cal. I suspect he will teach that again.

Rushinbear said:

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Big C said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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It just occurred to me that Greatwood was the master of coaching OL holding, both at UO and at Cal. I suspect he will teach that again.

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Hey, if we're not cheating, we're not trying!

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Big C said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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There isn't a whole lot they could do to make things better *this year*. Bringing in a coach that is not only familiar with the staff, but familiar with at least some of the personnel is about the best you could ask for for immediate improvement. Better coaches are already employed elsewhere and what we really needed was a technician to come in and coach our guys up...so this is about as good as we could have asked for for immediate improvement on the OL.

There is still more that could be done for the offensive coordinator position right now, and I hope that our play calling is at least being addressed behind the scenes.

The real litmus test will be what we do in the off season. If Wilcox can make a splashy hire, either with Cal connections (like Troy Taylor), or a well regarded coach (preferably in a more modern offense) that is a slam dunk, then there is some hope for him. If he reaches out to some old coaches for advice/help in the search that would be even better. That's a lot of if's though.

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Three time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Tarik Glenn is already on the Cal staff in an admin position.

calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Big C said:

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MrGPAC said:

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Immediately bringing in consultants for OL and play calling would go a long way. Our OL looks extremely lost and I refuse to believe that is entirely on the athletes...something is missing in the coaching, and Greatwood is a known asset with familiarity with the program. As a stop gap measure mid season this is about as good as we could hope for to address OL issues... THIS YEAR.

For next year a bigger chance will be required, and I would hope JW has already started making calls / making a list of targets.

Play calling has to improve as well. I don't know if Greatwood would be asked to assist in that regard, or if another option is being pursued for that. Personally, I'd take whoever called the third quarter of the Arizona game, as there is no way that is the same person who called every game since, unless Musgrave has mutliple personalities and the competent one somehow only beat out the others for that one quarter.

But again...JW has to get working on his short list now for a new OC next year. My biggest ask is that it be a high energy motivator kind of coach. Wilcox has the calm stoic vibe going, we need something to balance it out and infuse energy into the team.

The most disappointing thing about all of this is it was obvious these changes were needed after WSU (if not sooner), and we had a full bye week to implement any changes, get kids coached up, get perspective / practice going under a new play caller...but we waited until after we had no choice to make the move. Its better late than never, but Wilcox has got to figure out how to step up the urgency.

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This. I guess two weeks ago, Wilcox did not yet feel quite enough pressure to where he thought he had to make some sort of move. I love the way he chose a move within his comfort zone: Nobody gets fired; he brings in another of his old Oregon buddies.

Actually, the one thing I like about this move is that it's so incremental that it makes me feel like it was done more for the steak than the sizzle. I wasn't too big on doing something for optics-sake. First off, most people aren't paying attention and/or don't care. Second, it's only going to really appeal to people who fall for optics.

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There isn't a whole lot they could do to make things better *this year*. Bringing in a coach that is not only familiar with the staff, but familiar with at least some of the personnel is about the best you could ask for for immediate improvement. Better coaches are already employed elsewhere and what we really needed was a technician to come in and coach our guys up...so this is about as good as we could have asked for for immediate improvement on the OL.

There is still more that could be done for the offensive coordinator position right now, and I hope that our play calling is at least being addressed behind the scenes.

The real litmus test will be what we do in the off season. If Wilcox can make a splashy hire, either with Cal connections (like Troy Taylor), or a well regarded coach (preferably in a more modern offense) that is a slam dunk, then there is some hope for him. If he reaches out to some old coaches for advice/help in the search that would be even better. That's a lot of if's though.

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Three time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Tarik Glenn is already on the Cal staff in an admin position.

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Any evidence that Glenn wants to be a football coach? Quite honestly, the life of a college position coach has its challenges and a lot folks aren't interested in doing what it takes to succeed at that. We always fantasize about former Bears ("Oh, Russell White as our RB Coach!"), but it's a grind and the pay is good, sure, but far from great.