North Texas Game Heat

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Econ141
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I don't understand why they would start a game at peak heat hours (or why we'd agree to play them there at all in the first place). Isn't playing in 107 degree heat just flat out dangerous?

The last thing we need is to get walloped in our first game after all negative publicity we have received in the off-season. More importantly, hope no one gets injured.

Anyone know why this couldn't be a night game or if they move the start time due to heat? How the heck does the team even prepare for this?
Econ141
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Also - did he graduate from Cal before going to that place that shall not be mentioned?



oskidunker
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Econ141 said:

I don't understand why they would start a game at peak heat hours (or why we'd agree to play them there at all in the first place). Isn't playing in 107 degree heat just flat out dangerous?

The last thing we need is to get walloped in our first game after all negative publicity we have received in the off-season. More importantly, hope no one gets injured.

Anyone know why this couldn't be a night game or if they move the start time due to heat? How the heck does the team even prepare for this?
Thats when tv wants it. They could care less about health of the Athletes. Inhope wehave some good depth…
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
familysection
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Hold practices in Concord or the valley.
UrsusTexicanus
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familysection said:

Hold practices in Concord or the valley.
Having lived in Concord and currently near Houston, the big difference is humidity. Hopefully there'll be misters along the sidelines, which will help. Most important is the players keep hydrated. The coaches have to make sure they keep drinking Gatorade like their lives depend on it.
Cal Junkie
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It's dead on awful conditions. However we have had some humidity in the 80s this week. It is something, but this is still only a minor taste of what Texas' weather conditions will offer. Lots of subbing of players will be necessary.
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UrsusTexicanus said:

familysection said:

Hold practices in Concord or the valley.
Having lived in Concord and currently near Houston, the big difference is humidity. Hopefully there'll be misters along the sidelines, which will help. Most important is the players keep hydrated. The coaches have to make sure they keep drinking Gatorade like their lives depend on it.
No chucking up of Gatorade on the sidelines though.
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The good news is that the extended forecast calls for it to be 98 or 99 degrees on Sept 2, so a tad cooler 2 weeks from now. The bad news is that it's an artificial rug in DATCU Stadium (terrible name) and the on-field temp will likely feel ~ 115 with the radiant heat and humidity. I hate it, but that's what happens when you have an early Sept game in Texas. And if the ACC thing happens, the Golden Bears are going to be handling early season heat and humidity more often than not.

As oskidunker noted, TV rules all. The talking heads can preach all they want about athlete health and safety, all that matters is that the network fills from 9 am to midnight every college football Saturday with a slate of games. Money wins.
Strykur
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They are not too excited over there either: https://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/topic/160953-weather-on-sept-2nd/
C6Bear
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BearBoarBlarney said:

As oskidunker noted, TV rules all. The talking heads can preach all they want about athlete health and safety, all that matters is that the network fills from 9 am to midnight every college football Saturday with a slate of games. Money wins.
That's all that matters anymore. As far as health and safety, that kind of heat and humidity is downright dangerous. Then you add artificial turf to the equation for the perfect formula for heat stroke. There's a reason the Arizona's play most all night games in September and into October.
72CalBear
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Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
GivemTheAxe
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72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??


I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls
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GivemTheAxe said:

72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??


I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls

2008, it was unbearably hot and humid. I recall the team was duly affected - Flying in on the Friday, kicking off at 9 am Berkeley time, and staying air conditioned until they entered the stadium. The visitor side had no cover and it was miserable. Kevin Riley set a school record for attempts 33-58, 423 yards, but losing 35-27 with the Bears being ranked 23. Weather and travel counts.
Strykur
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72CalBear said:

GivemTheAxe said:

72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls
2008, it was unbearably hot and humid. I recall the team was duly affected - Flying in on the Friday, kicking off at 9 am Berkeley time, and staying air conditioned until they entered the stadium. The visitor side had no cover and it was miserable. Kevin Riley set a school record for attempts 33-58, 423 yards, but losing 35-27 with the Bears being ranked 23. Weather and travel counts.
Totally idiotic thinking that game would be breeze given how the travel was done, at least Wilcox did things right with Ole Miss.
Rushinbear
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72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
Humidity way higher in MD than in Denton. I'm more worried about rough stuff. They're known for that.
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GoCal80
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https://www.weather-us.com/en/texas-usa/denton-climate

"The worst time to visit Denton

Visitors might be advised to avoid the peak of summer, from July to August. A combination of humidity levels above 60% and a temperature high of 95.7F in August might create uncomfortable conditions for those unaccustomed to tropical heat. The fall in average wind speed during this period to around 7mph also lends a stale air effect which increases the perceived temperature."
BearoutEast67
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One word: hydrate!
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ktownbear83
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This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas. And no conceivable reason on God's green earth not to move it back to the evening hours, save one: ESPN's wanting to fill this particular time slot with this particular game.

Cal. v. North Texas.

This will not be the only college football game broadcast at that time. And, with no disrespect meant to either program, it will not be the most watched game at that time.

So, ESPN? Could you ballpark for me the drop, if any, in your revenue, that would follow your pushing the start time back to 7pm local and broadcasting the game on one of your subsidiary cable channels (or even later that night) if need be? I'll bet it's not all that much. And North Texas, I'd bet, would gain by selling significantly more seats. A seven pm start on a Saturday night for the first game of the season, vs a midafternoon start in 106 degree sun? Later would be seem to way better for their program and fan base. They have a new coach and want to get off to the the best possible start.

Now, suppose the heat comes in as high as predicted, or even higher, in the afternoon sun, on a big synthetic carpet. Like 110 or 115 degrees on the field. Athletes can suffer heatstroke and succumb from exertion in extreme heat. It happens. Not often, but it happens. And when it does, it's sudden-onset, and there's no guarantee that staff will even notice it in time. All the Gatorade in the stadium may be too late to fix it.

God forbid that anything like that happens in this game next Saturday. But suppose it does. How is the decision to go forward and play in those conditions going to look in retrospect? How is ESPN's marginal gain from the mid-day start going to stack up against what a victim and a victim's family might claim? How will the schools look for agreeing to proceed in those conditions, in order to get the TV money?

ESPN should be trying to optimize the value and appeal of its product. Instead it's doing just the opposite by treating match-ups as fungible commodities to fill time slots, without any regard for how predictable extreme heat will degrade the very product ESPN purports to be selling. We could have an exciting opening game for both schools in a packed, energized house on an admittedly hot but bearable Saturday night. Instead we likely get an afternoon blast-furnace, trial by fire for the players, while the fans hardy enough to show up at stagger around in search of shade. The game becomes all about the heat, how many players puke on the sidelines, and who collapses first.

Golden One
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BearoutEast67 said:

One word: hydrate!
Better advice: don't go.
Econ141
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Strykur said:

72CalBear said:

GivemTheAxe said:

72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls
2008, it was unbearably hot and humid. I recall the team was duly affected - Flying in on the Friday, kicking off at 9 am Berkeley time, and staying air conditioned until they entered the stadium. The visitor side had no cover and it was miserable. Kevin Riley set a school record for attempts 33-58, 423 yards, but losing 35-27 with the Bears being ranked 23. Weather and travel counts.
Totally idiotic thinking that game would be breeze given how the travel was done, at least Wilcox did things right with Ole Miss.


Who is the idiot at Cal who would schedule this? Never play in Texas until mid October. Who is the moron?
GMP
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Strykur said:

They are not too excited over there either: https://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/topic/160953-weather-on-sept-2nd/

This post cracked me up:


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On 8/21/2023 at 7:09 AM, PlummMeanGreen said:
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Discussing this weather with another UNT alum yesterday and......he did remind me that UT-Austin will have 100,000 fans show up at DKR Memorial for a 2:30 pm kick-off on Sept. 2'nd -- the same day we kick-off at 3:00 pm. Their game will be televised so......are Tea-sipper fans tougher than Green'bloods?



GrayEagle

No, just dumber.

Bearspot
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ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
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Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
Plus, Denton, Texas is even worse than Sacramento at the same temperature because of the humidity.
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Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.

I used to do this in my early 20s. I am shocked you guys made it an hour.
calumnus
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Econ141 said:

Strykur said:

72CalBear said:

GivemTheAxe said:

72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls
2008, it was unbearably hot and humid. I recall the team was duly affected - Flying in on the Friday, kicking off at 9 am Berkeley time, and staying air conditioned until they entered the stadium. The visitor side had no cover and it was miserable. Kevin Riley set a school record for attempts 33-58, 423 yards, but losing 35-27 with the Bears being ranked 23. Weather and travel counts.
Totally idiotic thinking that game would be breeze given how the travel was done, at least Wilcox did things right with Ole Miss.


Who is the idiot at Cal who would schedule this? Never play in Texas until mid October. Who is the moron?


We beat Texas in Austin in 2015, it was a night game in front of 100,000 fans and it was glorious after a great day of eating BBQ and drinking in shady locations.
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Golden One said:

Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
Plus, Denton, Texas is even worse than Sacramento at the same temperature because of the humidity.
The three forecasts for game time in Denton I saw today had 101-102 degrees and 20%-30% humidity. Not nearly as humid there as the last few weeks. It's basically Fresno weather (or Sacramento on a warm day).
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Golden One said:

Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
Plus, Denton, Texas is even worse than Sacramento at the same temperature because of the humidity.
The three forecasts for game time in Denton I saw today had 101-102 degrees and 20%-30% humidity. Not nearly as humid there as the last few weeks. It's basically Fresno weather (or Sacramento on a warm day).
So, paradise?
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Bobodeluxe said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Golden One said:

Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
Plus, Denton, Texas is even worse than Sacramento at the same temperature because of the humidity.
The three forecasts for game time in Denton I saw today had 101-102 degrees and 20%-30% humidity. Not nearly as humid there as the last few weeks. It's basically Fresno weather (or Sacramento on a warm day).
So, paradise?
Could be. I'm not sure what the weather is like in the Chico area.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

Golden One said:

Bearspot said:

ktownbear83 said:

This is nuts. One prediction for 106-107 degrees, and a second for 98-99 degrees, for a 2:30 pm local time start in Texas.
Agreed. Stadium capacity 30k, If a 1/3 shows up you still have 10,000 people in 100+ degree weather for about 4 hours. It's probably statistically possible that someone could die in those conditions.

As a teen growing up in hot Sacramento, friends and I always considered it a challenge to go out on the hot blacktop and play basketball in the 100+ degree summer afternoon. After one fun hour, we were totally gassed and headed back home to swim. I can't imagine 4 hours and no swimming pool in sight.
Plus, Denton, Texas is even worse than Sacramento at the same temperature because of the humidity.
The three forecasts for game time in Denton I saw today had 101-102 degrees and 20%-30% humidity. Not nearly as humid there as the last few weeks. It's basically Fresno weather (or Sacramento on a warm day).
take humidity predictions with a grain of salt... even more so than temperature.

i'm pretty sure they said TCU was going to be 20-30% humidity and it felt worse than that
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Econ141 said:

Strykur said:

72CalBear said:

GivemTheAxe said:

72CalBear said:

Quit the whining. The Bears favored by 7 1/2 points. Who else went to the Maryland game??
I did with my adult son. Most striking aspect was the number of Cal Fans who could not take the heat abandoning the stands and hiding from the sun in the shadow of the stadium walls
2008, it was unbearably hot and humid. I recall the team was duly affected - Flying in on the Friday, kicking off at 9 am Berkeley time, and staying air conditioned until they entered the stadium. The visitor side had no cover and it was miserable. Kevin Riley set a school record for attempts 33-58, 423 yards, but losing 35-27 with the Bears being ranked 23. Weather and travel counts.
Totally idiotic thinking that game would be breeze given how the travel was done, at least Wilcox did things right with Ole Miss.


Who is the idiot at Cal who would schedule this? Never play in Texas until mid October. Who is the moron?
Agreeing to a home & home with UNT is a such a Cal thing to do. UNT offers no scheduling value as a road game. A win is expected. A loss would crush the season before it really begins.

And of course the weather will be a real challenge. Not really all that safe for the athletes involved. Does ESPN care? Nope.
UrsusTexicanus
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With the wretched summer Texas is having, the predicted weather is temperate. The main thing to remember is hydrate and hope we have enough depth to keep rotating players.
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As has been pointed out elsewhere, there is a rug on the floor of North Texas's stadium. I believe they installed the same crap (all artificial surfaces are crap anyway) that Arkansas installed about 8 or 9 years ago. Arkansas tore it up and now, like most of the SEC has a natural grass surface.'

One major difference between playing at NTSU and TCU is TCU also tore up their artificial surface and has gone back to natural grass as well. It doesn't solve all of the heat issues, but certainly makes things a little less hot and also helps to relieve muscles of cramps.

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for people attending the UNT game, bring the moisture/cooling towels and keep them soaked in water. Trust me on this, it makes a MASSIVE difference as a fan
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