We will continue to put up with his sh*t.

We gave up 52 at home to Oregon State. Wilcox is a complete clown.

We can't get rid of Wilcox because of the buyout.

OTOH, I firmly believe that Wilcox needs to hire a common sense coordinator. Someone who could tell him simple stuff that he overlooks day in and day out.

I would have told him Musgrave needed to go 2 years ago.
Last year, after the Notre Dame game I could have told Wilcox he needed to fire Musgrave on the spot (yet he waits till he cost us the Colorado game)

This year, i would have told him that we need a special teams coordinator during training camp
I would have told him the same thing after seeing UNT, Idaho and others run our kickoffs back to the 35 yard line while we gets tackled at our own 15 for our run back

TedfordTheGreat said:

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We can't get rid of Wilcox because of the buyout.

OTOH, I firmly believe that Wilcox needs to hire a common sense coordinator. Someone who could tell him simple stuff that he overlooks day in and day out.

I would have told him Musgrave needed to go 2 years ago.
Last year, after the Notre Dame game I could have told Wilcox he needed to fire Musgrave on the spot (yet he waits till he cost us the Colorado game)

This year, i would have told him that we need a special teams coordinator during training camp
I would have told him the same thing after seeing UNT, Idaho and others run our kickoffs back to the 35 yard line while we gets tackled at our own 15 for our run back

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Crazy that the guy gets $5 million a year and is on contact for 11 years and does not get common sense stuff like that.

So, I got an email from CAL to reserve a spot for a Zoom meeting regarding the new Chancellor. I think I will reserve a spot and maybe say a few words regarding the need for someone that UNDERSTANDS CAL academically, athletically, culturally, etc. I'm sick of all this crap.

HateRed said:

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So, I got an email from CAL to reserve a spot for a Zoom meeting regarding the new Chancellor. I think I will reserve a spot and maybe say a few words regarding the need for someone that UNDERSTANDS CAL academically, athletically, culturally, etc. I'm sick of all this crap.

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SDSU president Adela de la Torre, from the Bay Area, all three degrees from Cal, big Cal fan, understands our traditions, oversaw an up and coming SDSU athletics program including the building of Snapdragon…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_de_la_Torre

Wilcox is an impostor, the question is how bad does this season get before he really gets possibly canned.

Strykur said:

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Wilcox is an impostor, the question is how bad does this season get before he really gets possibly canned.

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I don't think we can afford to fire him.

Besides, if we go 2-5 with Mendoza at QB against most of the PAC-12 schedule, with mo blowout losses an upset and the Axe I think most here are reasonably happy. The story quickly becomes next year in the ACC,Mendoza, the portal, etc.

Strykur said:

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Wilcox is an impostor, the question is how bad does this season get before he really gets possibly canned.

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He's not getting canned. This was the grand plan by Carol and Jim to destroy Cal football once and for all. And their plan is working out perfectly.

Oregon st and Washington St getting not getting a spot in P5 while we did is a travesty ....

It's sobering to think that Wilcox makes more in one year (pre-tax if not net) than many of us have in our entire retirement nest egg. I've been inclined to stick with him longer than most on this board, but he's too resistant to change when something isn't working.

HearstMining said:

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It's sobering to think that Wilcox makes more in one year (pre-tax if not net) than many of us have in our entire retirement nest egg. I've been inclined to stick with him longer than most on this board, but he's too resistant to change when something isn't working.

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I wouldn't use the word sobering. It makes me reconsider my career choices. I'm a reasonably smart well spoken non boat rocker who worked hard. My job though had limits on advancement and pay. I've seen too many friends and folks like Wilcox just move up a corporate ladder and make magnitudes more money by just saying and doing the right things, not shying away from new positions and speaking in nebulous terms...sounding like you have the answers, showing that you have concerns and then getting minor things accomplished. I'm over simplifying and generalizing and I'm sure folks will chime in (probably correctly) and mention their career experiences but Cal has had a litany of head coaches that have made fantastic amounts of money and got nothing done. All the while I kept dealing with corporate slogans like pay for performance. I don't know. Have at me. I probably deserve it after this post.

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Strykur said:

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Wilcox is an impostor, the question is how bad does this season get before he really gets possibly canned.

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I don't think we can afford to fire him.

Besides, if we go 2-5 with Mendoza at QB against most of the PAC-12 schedule, with mo blowout losses an upset and the Axe I think most here are reasonably happy. The story quickly becomes next year in the ACC,Mendoza, the portal, etc.

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Assuming Mendoza proves to be the guy by years end, it would allow us to focus our NIL on rebuilding both sides of the line. You get 1-2 studs on both sides of the line, things could turn around quick. But we desperately need an elite pass rusher (probably the hardest thing to find in the portal)

What is the definition of insanity? Repeating with the same coach year after year and hoping for different results. It ain't gonna happen. We are stuck with Wilcox because Cal is insane. We can't afford it and we'll be stuck with 4-8 or 5-7 teams with losing conference records and wins over FCS teams until he's gone.

He can't figure out his kicker until he goes 3 for 9. He has benched a QB who looks better in one game against a ranked opponent than two other QBs ever had. And that was in his FIRST game. His ST have sucked periodically throughout his tenure. I don't know of too many coaches after 7 years that still does this crap. His defense has talent but can't stop anyone.

Mendoza might help us steal a game but if our defense can't get off the field and our coaches can't figure out who to play, uh...what does that leave us with?

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What is the definition of insanity? Repeating with the same coach year after year and hoping for different results. It ain't gonna happen. We are stuck with Wilcox because Cal is insane. We can't afford it and we'll be stuck with 4-8 or 5-7 teams with losing conference records and wins over FCS teams until he's gone.

He can't figure out his kicker until he goes 3 for 9. He has benched a QB who looks better in one game against a ranked opponent than two other QBs ever had. And that was in his FIRST game. His ST have sucked periodically throughout his tenure. I don't know of too many coaches after 7 years that still does this crap. His defense has talent but can't stop anyone.

Mendoza might help us steal a game but if our defense can't get off the field and our coaches can't figure out who to play, uh...what does that leave us with?

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Apparently the things I've been witnessing haven't been from my imagination.

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It's sobering to think that Wilcox makes more in one year (pre-tax if not net) than many of us have in our entire retirement nest egg. I've been inclined to stick with him longer than most on this board, but he's too resistant to change when something isn't working.

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I wouldn't use the word sobering. It makes me reconsider my career choices. I'm a reasonably smart well spoken non boat rocker who worked hard. My job though had limits on advancement and pay. I've seen too many friends and folks like Wilcox just move up a corporate ladder and make magnitudes more money by just saying and doing the right things, not shying away from new positions and speaking in nebulous terms...sounding like you have the answers, showing that you have concerns and then getting minor things accomplished. I'm over simplifying and generalizing and I'm sure folks will chime in (probably correctly) and mention their career experiences but Cal has had a litany of head coaches that have made fantastic amounts of money and got nothing done. All the while I kept dealing with corporate slogans like pay for performance. I don't know. Have at me. I probably deserve it after this post.

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Wilcox at $5 million a year, Fox at $2.9 million (?), Knowlton at $1.3 million a year working remotely from Colorado after retiring from the Army and all with lengthy guaranteed contracts or extensions after already showing the Peter Principle was in full effect and they were in over their heads or were just really bad at their jobs.

Just enormous sums of money to destroy value. And people defend Wilcox saying "Wilcox is not overpaid. $5 million is just barely above the median for a P5 coach." Ignoring the fact that there is not a single coach in the country that has his record and is on contract to be paid through year 11. Any other HC with his record is no longer getting paid to be a HC.

The Emperor has no clothes=wilcox

Wilcox has Mark Davis disease.
Mark Davis, owner of the LV Raiders, has never been able to trust what's working and has never been affective addressing what doesn't work. That is really all that is wrong with the Raiders....period.

And that's really what's wrong with Wilcox. He takes too long to address clear and obvious problems and takes too long to discover what works. Mendoza didn't just get this good yesterday. He's been this good. I've seen it. I've talked about it.

The defensive secondary didn't just get this bad yesterday. It's been bad for the better part of 2 separate seasons. Young talent is getting worse, not better. I wrote that the DB coaches were going to single handedly bring down this team if not replaced right away. And that is what's happening. It is obvious. Everything I write is simply the product of blatant and obvious things. I am not a genius. I am just willing to keep it real, even if it is not what people want to here.

That kind of thing doesn't work in the Raiders organization and it doesn't work at Cal. Instead you have all of these philosophies and religions that get in the way. At Cal, it's the loyalty to coaches religion. With the Raiders, it's the belief in big name coaches and big name QBs. Mendoza would never have sniffed the playing field if he was a Raider. And it's really amazing he somehow got let out of his cage at Cal. It's an exception. Enjoy it while it lasts. Because the disease is rampant and contagious both in LV and in Berkeley.

It could be simple: Observe who performs: Play who performs: Get rid of who doesn't: Retain and promote who does. Cal just can't seem to accomplish that very simple thing. It would be different if they did. I guarantee it. But it's hard to get rid of a disease once you have it.

Last night's postgame was the first time I've heard Wilcox question the heart and effort of his players. Normally he's over the top in stressing that effort's present but that consistent execution is lacking. He brought this up by praising Ifanse's toughness and grit and then saying that a couple other guys could learn from him.

It was a major red flag comment and I'm concerned there's simmering team drama, kinda like when we had an OC and OL coach that hated each other. I guess I'm just saying that Wilcox gets praised for "family culture" whatever the **** that actually means, and it seems that doesn't actually exist anymore. He's bad at every single aspect of his job.

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Last night's postgame was the first time I've heard Wilcox question the heart and effort of his players. Normally he's over the top in stressing that effort's present but that consistent execution is lacking. He brought this up by praising Ifanse's toughness and grit and then saying that a couple other guys could learn from him.

It was a major red flag comment and I'm concerned there's simmering team drama, kinda like when we had an OC and OL coach that hated each other. I guess I'm just saying that Wilcox gets praised for "family culture" whatever the **** that actually means, and it seems that doesn't actually exist anymore. He's bad at every single aspect of his job.

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When coaches get surly, defensive and accusatory it's over. Over in the sense that things may get very ugly in the way of team infighting and blow out losses. JW has never been a success as a HC at Cal, so any worsening of the situation won't result in scrutiny that matters. The people who will care are the people who've been caring through several years of this fecal waste. They're small in numbers and small in influence. Long story short: bad sign, doesn't matter, not far to fall.

How hard can it be to fire someone for cause? Just find a reason. Lay a trap, whatever. Get him out - it is too important of a time for Cal to let him run the program into the ground.

Ummm both pat fitzgerald and Mel tucker are filing wrongful termination suits. Not saying they're necessarily going to win…just saying, good luck finding anything close to that type of wrongdoing against Wilcox.

In all fairness our defense gave up on the game. They weren't being effective and you could tell in their body language they were frustrated and giving up.

This team has a big 4th down problem. Someone needs to tell our defensive coordinators that forcing fourth and short is NOT a win, especially mid field or closer. So many times I see the defense celebrating and acting like they won forcing fourth and short...and they ALWAYS seem extremely deflated when they have to go back out there for fourth down, and they always seem to give it up.

They keep acting like they did their job and did what it took to get off the field and they are always shocked when teams do well against them.

On the game Oregon State was 6 for 13 on third down. Cal had a higher third down percentage at 5 for 10.

Of those 7 failed 3rd down conversions they succeeded on 4th down 5 times, kicked one field goal, and punted once. All game.

It felt like the defense gave up after the fumble in the fourth quarter...and they certainly didn't put up any resistance after the pic.

I'd be pissed too if I saw the players give up like that. But that comes down to coaching. We seem to be coaching our players to believe that it is a 3 down game. With our special teams spotting the other team mid field every drive we have to assume our defense has to play 4 down defense every single set of downs. Our defense has to be thriving on that and expecting it, not surprised when it happens.

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Last night's postgame was the first time I've heard Wilcox question the heart and effort of his players. Normally he's over the top in stressing that effort's present but that consistent execution is lacking. He brought this up by praising Ifanse's toughness and grit and then saying that a couple other guys could learn from him.

It was a major red flag comment and I'm concerned there's simmering team drama, kinda like when we had an OC and OL coach that hated each other. I guess I'm just saying that Wilcox gets praised for "family culture" whatever the **** that actually means, and it seems that doesn't actually exist anymore. He's bad at every single aspect of his job.

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Glad you, many are catching on to the double talk. He also said it's a privilege to get paid to do the job. That's just a borrowed sound bite. Totally disingenuous bs. This is a big time business. Wilcox is like two generations behind on his PC speak.

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In all fairness our defense gave up on the game. They weren't being effective and you could tell in their body language they were frustrated and giving up.

This team has a big 4th down problem. Someone needs to tell our defensive coordinators that forcing fourth and short is NOT a win, especially mid field or closer. So many times I see the defense celebrating and acting like they won forcing fourth and short...and they ALWAYS seem extremely deflated when they have to go back out there for fourth down, and they always seem to give it up.

They keep acting like they did their job and did what it took to get off the field and they are always shocked when teams do well against them.

On the game Oregon State was 6 for 13 on third down. Cal had a higher third down percentage at 5 for 10.

Of those 7 failed 3rd down conversions they succeeded on 4th down 5 times, kicked one field goal, and punted once. All game.

It felt like the defense gave up after the fumble in the fourth quarter...and they certainly didn't put up any resistance after the pic.

I'd be pissed too if I saw the players give up like that. But that comes down to coaching. We seem to be coaching our players to believe that it is a 3 down game. With our special teams spotting the other team mid field every drive we have to assume our defense has to play 4 down defense every single set of downs. Our defense has to be thriving on that and expecting it, not surprised when it happens.

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Oregon State already has a huge OL and for 4th and short goes jumbo. If I am a defensive coordinator I counter with my own jumbo set: 5 or 6 DL. Instead when a LB weighing 220 gets pushed back by a 350 lb OL we get mad and say he doesn't have "heart." What is needed is not players with heart, it is coaches with brains. Often football is just a matter of numbers: plays designed to have more players and bigger players vs fewer, smaller players.

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How hard can it be to fire someone for cause? Just find a reason. Lay a trap, whatever. Get him out - it is too important of a time for Cal to let him run the program into the ground.

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Cause is defined in the employment contract. I would guess that wins and losses is not in the definition of "cause".

So, its hard.

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In all fairness our defense gave up on the game. They weren't being effective and you could tell in their body language they were frustrated and giving up.

This team has a big 4th down problem. Someone needs to tell our defensive coordinators that forcing fourth and short is NOT a win, especially mid field or closer. So many times I see the defense celebrating and acting like they won forcing fourth and short...and they ALWAYS seem extremely deflated when they have to go back out there for fourth down, and they always seem to give it up.

They keep acting like they did their job and did what it took to get off the field and they are always shocked when teams do well against them.

On the game Oregon State was 6 for 13 on third down. Cal had a higher third down percentage at 5 for 10.

Of those 7 failed 3rd down conversions they succeeded on 4th down 5 times, kicked one field goal, and punted once. All game.

It felt like the defense gave up after the fumble in the fourth quarter...and they certainly didn't put up any resistance after the pic.

I'd be pissed too if I saw the players give up like that. But that comes down to coaching. We seem to be coaching our players to believe that it is a 3 down game. With our special teams spotting the other team mid field every drive we have to assume our defense has to play 4 down defense every single set of downs. Our defense has to be thriving on that and expecting it, not surprised when it happens.

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Great observation. Please join me on the staff as a Common sense Coach.

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Ummm both pat fitzgerald and Mel tucker are filing wrongful termination suits. Not saying they're necessarily going to win…just saying, good luck finding anything close to that type of wrongdoing against Wilcox.

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we have cause to fire knolwton. but we just dont.

because carol christ has forgotten about disaster that happened earlier this year and she's moved on to her retirement plans

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It's sobering to think that Wilcox makes more in one year (pre-tax if not net) than many of us have in our entire retirement nest egg. I've been inclined to stick with him longer than most on this board, but he's too resistant to change when something isn't working.

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I wouldn't use the word sobering. It makes me reconsider my career choices. I'm a reasonably smart well spoken non boat rocker who worked hard. My job though had limits on advancement and pay. I've seen too many friends and folks like Wilcox just move up a corporate ladder and make magnitudes more money by just saying and doing the right things, not shying away from new positions and speaking in nebulous terms...sounding like you have the answers, showing that you have concerns and then getting minor things accomplished. I'm over simplifying and generalizing and I'm sure folks will chime in (probably correctly) and mention their career experiences but Cal has had a litany of head coaches that have made fantastic amounts of money and got nothing done. All the while I kept dealing with corporate slogans like pay for performance. I don't know. Have at me. I probably deserve it after this post.

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The Peter Principle is a real thing

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Last night's postgame was the first time I've heard Wilcox question the heart and effort of his players. Normally he's over the top in stressing that effort's present but that consistent execution is lacking. He brought this up by praising Ifanse's toughness and grit and then saying that a couple other guys could learn from him.

It was a major red flag comment and I'm concerned there's simmering team drama, kinda like when we had an OC and OL coach that hated each other. I guess I'm just saying that Wilcox gets praised for "family culture" whatever the **** that actually means, and it seems that doesn't actually exist anymore. He's bad at every single aspect of his job.

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Glad you, many are catching on to the double talk. He also said it's a privilege to get paid to do the job. That's just a borrowed sound bite. Totally disingenuous bs. This is a big time business. Wilcox is like two generations behind on his PC speak.

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I agree with Burnski, tgere is something different this year. In prior seasons he seemed to protect his players more and was more even keeled. Looking for positive takeaways. The complaint was he was boring. Yes, lots and lots of coach speak. This year he has been very emotional, visibly upset after every game, throwing players under the bus even when they played well (Jackson vs UW) even unhappy after wins, raving about some players, throwing shade at others by comparison. Last night was probably the most extreme. Unless we pull an upset win down the road it will probably get worse.

I sense the "family culture" within the football program is a tactic the staff uses (maybe effectively) to circumnavigate the general apathy or the outright hostility towards revenue athletics from the university at large. "California" vs "Berkeley" in a nutshell. This adversarial relationship just does not exist at most other programs.

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So, I got an email from CAL to reserve a spot for a Zoom meeting regarding the new Chancellor. I think I will reserve a spot and maybe say a few words regarding the need for someone that UNDERSTANDS CAL academically, athletically, culturally, etc. I'm sick of all this crap.

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SDSU president Adela de la Torre, from the Bay Area, all three degrees from Cal, big Cal fan, understands our traditions, oversaw an up and coming SDSU athletics program including the building of Snapdragon…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_de_la_Torre

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I am not sure she has the credentials to run a major research university. Then again, did Christ?

KenBurnski said:

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Last night's postgame was the first time I've heard Wilcox question the heart and effort of his players. Normally he's over the top in stressing that effort's present but that consistent execution is lacking. He brought this up by praising Ifanse's toughness and grit and then saying that a couple other guys could learn from him.

It was a major red flag comment and I'm concerned there's simmering team drama, kinda like when we had an OC and OL coach that hated each other. I guess I'm just saying that Wilcox gets praised for "family culture" whatever the **** that actually means, and it seems that doesn't actually exist anymore. He's bad at every single aspect of his job.

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I noticed that specific comment (see bold above) too and thought it was a little strange he worded it that way as if he was thinking about a few specific players. He could had made it really general "we all could learn from his mindset" or something like that. This is unraveling pretty quickly.

We do have a chance for an upset in Utah, not because I think we're that good or anything, but I do think we are underachieving, Utah may not have their starting QB for the rest of the season (which may give the defense a break) and I have some hope Mendoza can allow us to do some things on offense. If we do come out of SLC with a win, the embers of hope for the rest of the season remain.

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So, I got an email from CAL to reserve a spot for a Zoom meeting regarding the new Chancellor. I think I will reserve a spot and maybe say a few words regarding the need for someone that UNDERSTANDS CAL academically, athletically, culturally, etc. I'm sick of all this crap.

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SDSU president Adela de la Torre, from the Bay Area, all three degrees from Cal, big Cal fan, understands our traditions, oversaw an up and coming SDSU athletics program including the building of Snapdragon…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_de_la_Torre

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I am not sure she has the credentials to run a major research university. Then again, did Christ?

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3 degrees with Berkeley on them matter a lot, especially at this juncture.

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How hard can it be to fire someone for cause? Just find a reason. Lay a trap, whatever. Get him out - it is too important of a time for Cal to let him run the program into the ground.

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Cause is defined in the employment contract. I would guess that wins and losses is not in the definition of "cause".

So, its hard.

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No it isn't

https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/paige-cornelius/amp/

This is / was plenty of cause for both Knowlton and Wilco Pete to be gone gone gone girl. But Carol didn't can them? Why?
McKeever could've been avoided and we'd probably have a winning football team if she'd listened to Paige Cornelius and not continued on with this **** show.
Showing up with her pal Jim to a football game every once in a blue moon as if 1 appearance a century means anything.

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How hard can it be to fire someone for cause? Just find a reason. Lay a trap, whatever. Get him out - it is too important of a time for Cal to let him run the program into the ground.

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Do you hear yourself right now?

1. What ducky said

2. As is explained every effing time, you can't fire a coach for cause for not winning enough. Even if you could, care to make the argument that a coach that wins about as much as most of your school's coaches have is failing enough to be a for cause firing?

3. If it was easy, everyone would be effing doing it. Like, say, Oklahoma when they were losing to Holmoe twice. Or Alabama when people were calling them Tuscaloser. Or Texas. Or Notre Dame. But you know what they did? They honor their contracts, face the consequences of their own decisions, and buy out their loser coaches and move on.

4. What the hell? You are going to make something up? Lay a trap? What is "whatever"? Push him out a window? If it is such an important time that you need to get him out, there is an extremely easy way to do that and it doesn't involve law breaking and immorality and breaking your damned word. It is called pay him his buyout. It is only not easy because the people who have the $20M don't think it is "too important". It is exactly this kind of crap that makes people think that sports fans our a bunch of Neanderthals.

5. Let's make this clear. Cal signed a contract. They knew exactly the deal they were getting. The contract is not to win. It is to coach the team. There is zero indication that Wilcox is doing anything but his best. The buyout is there to preserve a specific income figure in case things don't work out. Cal knew that. It was a stupid contract, but that is on Cal, not on Wilcox.

6. Every effing time a coach proves to be a loser, we go through this whole process of painting him as some immoral guy and we pour over his quotes to show how awful he is. If Ifanse had scored a bunch of touchdowns in a winning effort for our 6-0 top 10 ranked team and Wilcox had said other guys could learn from him, you'd all be lauding what a hard ass he is, how he justifiably praised one guy, and how he gets the most out of his team. I guarantee you, the problem isn't found in his press conference quotes.

7. Wilcox is not a defective human being. He's not immoral. He's not doing anything wrong. He just isn't good enough and you are all mad that he broke your toys that were already broken when he got here. Get the eff over it. It is a game. And it is always on someone else to pay for your game, to break their word for your game, to take on legal liability for your game.

Maybe as a contracts attorney I have an extra special place in hell for people who try to break their bond, but let me just explain to you one more time. Even if you don't give a shyte about any kind of ethics because winning football games is just too important, it doesn't work this way. Lawyers aren't magical wizards that make all your dumbass decisions go away. The consequences are likely to be you pay a lot more than your buyout AND you tell every potential coach that you can't be trusted. I'd look at Fitzgerald's lawsuit as your future. Now, my guess is that he loses because it looks to me like they have the goods on him. But essentially, the for cause firing has made him unhirable. So he is looking for not just a buyout, but all the future pay they cost him to the tune of $130M. And that is exactly what Wilcox would be looking for if you "make something up" with probably worse if you get caught "laying a trap". Except we'd have to pay it because we wouldn't have the goods on him.

Let's just be clear that for each and every one of you looking for a bullshyte excuse to break a contract because Cal won't pay $20M, the ethics issue is not on Wilcox's side of the equation.

And yes, he should be fired. As soon as someone finds the $20M.