concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

concordtom said:

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thomquaid said:

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Golden One said:

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Wilcox is an idiot!!!!

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Yes. An amateur coach out of his league.

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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Jan 2 2017 rose bowl

USC 52
Penn State 49

Sam Darnold was usc QB.

So it's sad-drinking again for me tonight I guess…

Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

SoFlaBear said:

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TheFiatLux said:

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westcoast101 said:

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I don't view this as any sort of moral victory. This was a game that we should have won, against a ranked team, and what could have vaulted us into real contention for a bowl game.

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What a bummer to miss out on another appearance in the Red-Box-Cheetos-Poinsettia-Figh-Hunger classic...

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A "Bowl Week" game is better at just about every level than "No Bowl Game."

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No, because bowls get you contract extensions. Sorry to be so negative.

Now, had that bowl been a result of beating SC, UCLA and Stanford, I'd be happy with that. But that's not going to happen now.

ncbears said:

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75bear said:

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We are down 4 running backs.... I think Wilcox decided we were out of soldiers, and needed to end it here.

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Also Cal was not going to stop SC in OT

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Then we weren't going to stop them from kicking a FG to win in regulation

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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That seems absurdly hostile.

Go tell the guy in the mirror "No, you're wrong!"

DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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You're absolutely right.
I turned on the radio for our final drive, down 7.

We drove, scored, and had a play to win.
I'll take it!

01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

LunchTime said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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That seems absurdly hostile.

Go tell the guy in the mirror "No, you're wrong!"

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Concordtom needs a lashing every now and again.

SC with a minute left would have gotten in field goal range, or maybe gone conservative and we're in OT, and with our main RBs out that would have been hard to pull off.

01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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I was relieved because I thought he called timeout so we could send in the kicking team

Gotta love all the Johnny Come Lately's to tell us to embrace the MORAL victory.

Yawn.

LunchTime said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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That seems absurdly hostile.

Go tell the guy in the mirror "No, you're wrong!"

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It's okay.
I know him.
He's like that.

But, thanks for reminding him.

IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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You're absolutely right.
I turned on the radio for our final drive, down 7.

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A true fan.

Strykur said:

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SC with a minute left would have gotten in field goal range, or maybe gone conservative and we're in OT, and with our main RBs out that would have been hard to pull off.

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The Jet was our leading rusher per carry and again showed what he can do outside on the last TD. His speed outside could kill a tired SC defense but fur some reason we kept running him inside

heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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Exactly

Just stop. It's the wrong call. You never put the game on 1 play unless you absolutely have to. This decision changed nothing for SC if we succeed and everything for us if we fail. And statistically 2 pt conversions aren't 50-50. They're around 40-60. There's a reason they make you do them after the first OT. It's because they will FAIL at a higher rate.

Wilcox has learned absolutely nothing in 7 years. Did the same thing vs AZ year 1 with the same result. We can't afford not to fire him.

LunchTime said:

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TBH, I am pretty sure we have a similar probability of hitting the PAT as the 2pt try. So for me it's just nice to say could'a would'a should'a

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Cal PAT is over 90%

01Bear said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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The only thing I didn't like was Wilcox calling timeout before running the 2 point conversion. That made zero sense. Not only did it give SC'a defense a chance to set up, but it also took away a valuable timeout in the case of a failed attempt.

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^This. Time out was really dumb.

calumnus said:

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heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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Exactly

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I don't think any of this matters. Had we kicked, we probably miss the kick or botch the snap. Had we made the kick, we probably give up the game losing field goal or maybe even a kickoff return td. We were destined to lose because as a group, we suck and don't play smart football, and that gets guys hurt, which makes us suck more.

calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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I was relieved because I thought he called timeout so we could send in the kicking team

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(Edit: I was responding to a DiabloWags post, not you, Calumnus. Not sure how that happened.)




I've died on the vine for Cal too many times.
And you know, if you are a die hard fan, you're going to die hard 50% of the time.
So, have fun in your current pangs of sorrow - something over which you had ABSOLUTELY ZERO CONTROL.

Also, blame Larry Scott and his stupid Pac12 Network plan which has poor distribution and drove die-hard Cal fans like me away looong ago.

I'd even argue that we are in the ACC next year because of him, but that's another thread.

Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

Strykur said:

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SC with a minute left would have gotten in field goal range, or maybe gone conservative and we're in OT, and with our main RBs out that would have been hard to pull off.

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Not a good choice. USC misses a point after, missed a fg, and missed a 2pt. You take that USC team to OT every time.

Grrrrah76 said:

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Pawlawski bashing refs for $c holding receivers on 2 pt conversion

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He was bashing the officiating the entire game. With good reason. Got shafted on so many calls and non callls

Incredibly frustrating loss, a lot like the Auburn game where if we made just one FG we would have been in good shape, Today, had we had just one fewer killer turnover we would have won.

Nevertheless, there were a lot of positives, you have to like the midseason progress at nearly every position.

The team lacks a killer/closer instinct, but it's made enough progress to match up well against a top 25 team.

Cal would have had a really hard time in overtime.
Go for 2.

heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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Exactly. That for me is the miscalculation by Wilcox. If there's no time left, sure go for 2.

But even if you get the 2 point conversion, you are increasing the chances that SC kicks a FG with a minute left because they know they have to score to win. If it's tied, even if they play 10% more conservatively, there's an advantage there. Also if you're able to get them to 4th down, you may be able to force a punt if it's tied.

This was not a 50/50 coin flip call because Wilcox didn't take into account what happens after the 2 point conversion.

Sometimes you need to buck the analytically correct answer. But that was not the time.

LunchTime said:

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TBH, I am pretty sure we have a similar probability of hitting the PAT as the 2pt try. So for me it's just nice to say could'a would'a should'a

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Congratulations!

You're as lost as Concord Tom is.

bluehenbear said:

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Grrrrah76 said:

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Pawlawski bashing refs for $c holding receivers on 2 pt conversion

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He was bashing the officiating the entire game.

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TBF, I have never seen any half extended to the start of the next half. It may have happened, but it sure is a signal that they were shilling.

Cal was spent on defense.

heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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We needed the defensive stop either way.
Wouldn't it be nicer to get the stop and the W right then?

WalterSobchak said:

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Just stop. It's the wrong call. You never put the game on 1 play unless you absolutely have to. This decision changed nothing for SC if we succeed and everything for us if we fail. And statistically 2 pt conversions aren't 50-50. They're around 40-60. There's a reason they make you do them after the first OT. It's because they will FAIL at a higher rate.

Wilcox has learned absolutely nothing in 7 years. Did the same thing vs AZ year 1 with the same result. We can't afford not to fire him.

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The Wilcox defenders are ridiculous. Players make mistakes on the field. Calls will go against you, but the coach who is paid $5 million a year needs to make good decisions to give his players the best chance. He even had a timeout to think about it.

LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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You're terribly lost.
Go put your panties back on.