LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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I got a couple of those AggroWags DMs as well, lol.

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LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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I got a couple of those AggroWags DMs as well, lol.

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Says Putin88 who HATES America.
Shocker.

GFY.

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heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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Exactly. That for me is the miscalculation by Wilcox. If there's no time left, sure go for 2.

But even if you get the 2 point conversion, you are increasing the chances that SC kicks a FG with a minute left because they know they have to score to win. If it's tied, even if they play 10% more conservatively, there's an advantage there. Also if you're able to get them to 4th down, you may be able to force a punt if it's tied.

This was not a 50/50 coin flip call because Wilcox didn't take into account what happens after the 2 point conversion.

Sometimes you need to buck the analytically correct answer. But that was not the time.

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Exactly. No situational awareness. When he called timeout I thought "Great! He was just hoping to draw a penalty and will kick" but no

Boot said:

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Cal would have had a really hard time in overtime.
Go for 2.

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Someone should arrange a poll.

What did you want Cal to do:

1
Or
2

heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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That's a good point. There were still gonna be around 48-50 seconds left even if we got the 2 points. But SC's kicker was shaky.

DiabloWags said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, I am pretty sure we have a similar probability of hitting the PAT as the 2pt try. So for me it's just nice to say could'a would'a should'a

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Congratulations!

You're as lost as Concord Tom is.

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I don't know what that means. You can send more DMs if you want, but you should know, I still won't put it in you. We're just friends.

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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I got a couple of those AggroWags DMs as well, lol.

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Says Putin88 who HATES America.
Shocker.

GFY.

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You're embarrassing yourself.

You mean lose or not lose? Tieing the game is OBVIOUS good football.

concordtom said:

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Boot said:

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Cal would have had a really hard time in overtime.
Go for 2.

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Someone should arrange a poll.

What did you want Cal to do:

1
Or
2

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1 for a 2pt
2 for a 1pt

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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LunchTime said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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When was the last time USC yielded 49 points?

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They GAVE UP 48 to UTAH.

They gave up 41 to both COLORADO and ASU.

You havent been paying attention.
STFU for a change.

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That seems absurdly hostile.

Go tell the guy in the mirror "No, you're wrong!"

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Concordtom needs a lashing every now and again.

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Lol

Come join me at OT

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01Bear said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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The only thing I didn't like was Wilcox calling timeout before running the 2 point conversion. That made zero sense. Not only did it give SC'a defense a chance to set up, but it also took away a valuable timeout in the case of a failed attempt.

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^This. Time out was really dumb.

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I'll agree with that.

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calumnus said:

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heartofthebear said:

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IMO you only go for 2 if it is going to mean a win.
USC still had almost a minute left to try to score so the 2 points did not mean a win.
So I think you at least tie it there so that the rest of the game can play out.
If USC scores again, they would have won anyway.

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Exactly

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I don't think any of this matters. Had we kicked, we probably miss the kick or botch the snap. Had we made the kick, we probably give up the game losing field goal or maybe even a kickoff return td. We were destined to lose because as a group, we suck and don't play smart football, and that gets guys hurt, which makes us suck more.

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WINNING POST OF THE DAY.

01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

calumnus said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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I was relieved because I thought he called timeout so we could send in the kicking team

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TBH, I thought that was what he was going to do, as well. But then he kept the offense on the field. So I was confused. That made zero sense to me.

Had he run out the kicking team, I could've lived with it. But I do think the right play was to be aggressive and force SC to beat Cal with a FG with 58 seconds remaining. Our defense was struggling in the second half, but I do think it could've held SC out of FG range for one minute.

That JW called timeout and then ran the 2 pt conversion was just incomprehensible to me..

All year we take the fair catch on punts. The one time it was the safest play to do that and take possession we decide not to and fumble.

MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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I don't disagree. However, I'm not sure I saw anything to suggest the offense didn't know what to run there. Even if they didn't, then that's another failure by the coaching staff. The team should know exactly what it was going to be running. Either way, JW fouled up.

bluehenbear said:

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All year we take the fair catch on punts. The one time it was the safest play to do that and take possession we decide not to and fumble.

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Especially when the special teams coaching has been practically nonexistent.

calumnus said:

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Just stop. It's the wrong call. You never put the game on 1 play unless you absolutely have to. This decision changed nothing for SC if we succeed and everything for us if we fail. And statistically 2 pt conversions aren't 50-50. They're around 40-60. There's a reason they make you do them after the first OT. It's because they will FAIL at a higher rate.

Wilcox has learned absolutely nothing in 7 years. Did the same thing vs AZ year 1 with the same result. We can't afford not to fire him.

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The Wilcox defenders are ridiculous. Players make mistakes on the field. Calls will go against you, but the coach who is paid $5 million a year needs to make good decisions to give his players the best chance. He even had a timeout to think about it.

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I thought for sure after he called the timeout he would realize that made the 2pt failure even more severe and final and he would change the call and kick, but nope; my hopes were dashed onve again.

LunchTime said:

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DiabloWags said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, I am pretty sure we have a similar probability of hitting the PAT as the 2pt try. So for me it's just nice to say could'a would'a should'a

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Congratulations!

You're as lost as Concord Tom is.

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I don't know what that means. You can send more DMs if you want, but you should know, I still won't put it in you. We're just friends.

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Oh, I get it…. Hahaha…. DiabloWags took to DMing you that I'm at idiot.

Pfft.
That's his MO.
I've received many such complaints about others.
And others have reported he sends them to them, too.

He shouldn't do that.

MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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I agree. I agonized over the 2 pt decision but had no hope we would win in OT. Paws thought it was the right call as well so I'm in ok company

MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Take both!

cal83dls79 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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I agree. I agonized over the 2 pt decision but had no hope we would win in OT. Paws thought it was the right call as well so I'm in ok company

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For once, you and I are in agreement.

MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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On a side note, does anyone know what happened to Ifanse? I get that Jaydn Ott was probably held out as a precaution, but what about Ifanse? Why was he not on the field?

upsetof86 said:

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Golden One said:

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Wilcox is an idiot!!!!

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Arguable for sure

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Not even arguable at this point. It's blatantly obvious, and he proved it again today with the decision to go for 2 at home.

concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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I got a couple of those AggroWags DMs as well, lol.

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Says Putin88 who HATES America.
Shocker.

GFY.

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You're embarrassing yourself.

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Im not the guy that spends EVERY DAY posting 12x in the OT Forum because theyre LONELY with no life.

That's you buddy.

DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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LunchTime said:

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Hey Diablo, no need to send a DM. Keep it on the board., don't be a *****.

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**** YOU.

Concord Tom (who doesnt even watch college football) tunes in for the last series.

Class of '82

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Good one.

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I got a couple of those AggroWags DMs as well, lol.

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Says Putin88 who HATES America.
Shocker.

GFY.

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I guess the rendez-vous at Top Dog is next?

01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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On a side note, does anyone know what happened to Ifanse? I get that Jaydn Ott was probably held out as a precaution, but what about Ifanse? Why was he not on the field?

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He had a bit of a limp after his near TD surge to the ~2 yard line.

Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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so are you saying you'd rather take that same personnel into OT? With a completely gassed defense? I

Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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But even after a time out, we didn't get the 2 point call right.

gobears15 said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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On a side note, does anyone know what happened to Ifanse? I get that Jaydn Ott was probably held out as a precaution, but what about Ifanse? Why was he not on the field?

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He had a bit of a limp after his near TD surge to the ~2 yard line.

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Ahh. Thanks! I must've missed the limp.

On to the World Series!

Whatever happened to Justin Williams-Thomas? He was hurt in camp but thought he was cleared to play awhile back.

Cal88 said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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01Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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socaltownie said:

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The right and gutsy call

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You have to play the odds, didn't feel good about that decision.

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I liked the call until JW called timeout. That was just stupid.

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Well considering if Endries isn't held the entire time he's wide effing open on the 2 pt conv it wasn't stupid. Pac-12 refs basically won USC that game. That's not being salty..that's literally what happened. The Timeout is meaningless if we score that.

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I don't disagree that the refs gifted SC a win with the blown calls on the 2 pt conversion attempt.

That said, had Cal just run the 2 pt conversion play without the timeout, SC wouldn't have had time to set up its defense as well. Also, if Cal failed, it would have left Cal with three times out, not two.

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Its more important to get the 2pt play call correct then to save a timeout with under a minute to go.

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Right, especially when your backfield has a freshman QB and a 4th string RB.

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Williams-Thomas is only "4th string" bc he got hurt in spring camp. Ifanse probably wouldn't be on the team if that hadn't happened.