They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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change of plans. they goin'.

They were just breathing hard.

Deion has no idea how to not brag. Still doesn't mean they won't be good eventually. I'd take him over Wilcox.

It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

Their O-Line is terrible.

I'd rather our teams tagline be "we coming" instead of "toughest team wins" whereupon we promptly lose most our games.

edwinbear said:

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I'd rather our teams tagline be "we coming" instead of "toughest team wins" whereupon we promptly lose most our games.

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our tagline has been very consistent - "we must do better"

DoubtfulBear said:

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edwinbear said:

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I'd rather our teams tagline be "we coming" instead of "toughest team wins" whereupon we promptly lose most our games.

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our tagline has been very consistent - "we must do better"

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Or we were a few plays away

We need to finish games or we would have had a different outlook to the season

Or the new one Sirmon forwarded this week which I found super lame:

--tough opponents
--weather conditions made it hard (sounded like he was blaming the offense)

DoubtfulBear said:

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our tagline has been very consistent - "we must do better"

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I thought our tagline was "We suck!"

Our tag line might well be: "We beat the spread!!"

Next year Colorado could legitimately be a top 3 team in the new B12. They'll still recruit well and hit the portal hard but the big issue for them is sustainability. The longer Deion keeps throwing everyone else under the bus, publicly blaming players in interviews, demoting his OC who had that unit producing even with a terrible OL, etc. then it'll get harder to keep pulling in elite talent. If he keeps that up and doesn't achieve results to justify it then the wheels will come off eventually.

I like Deion and I love it when people have real personalities instead of giving basic coach-speak answers but there's a fine line between holding guys accountable and shifting blame to everyone but yourself. I think some players will be turned off by it but the bigger issue is assistants. Making a midseason move at OC (which has been the strength of the team) as the QB's dad when your OC left a HC job to come work for you and then performing like they did against OSU is a really bad look

Hey, as someone here pointed out, at least we have a Moral Victory Cannon! No way the Buffs have one of those.

Bearly Clad said:

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Next year Colorado could legitimately be a top 3 team in the new B12. They'll still recruit well and hit the portal hard but the big issue for them is sustainability. The longer Deion keeps throwing everyone else under the bus, publicly blaming players in interviews, demoting his OC who had that unit producing even with a terrible OL, etc. then it'll get harder to keep pulling in elite talent. If he keeps that up and doesn't achieve results to justify it then the wheels will come off eventually.

I like Deion and I love it when people have real personalities instead of giving basic coach-speak answers but there's a fine line between holding guys accountable and shifting blame to everyone but yourself. I think some players will be turned off by it but the bigger issue is assistants. Making a midseason move at OC (which has been the strength of the team) as the QB's dad when your OC left a HC job to come work for you and then performing like they did against OSU is a really bad look

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That is just Deion reacting as a father instead of a head coach. Shedeur has been knocked to the ground this season more often than any other QB in college football and well over twice the average number of times a team's QB has been knocked down.

Overreacting because your own son is the guy getting hit so often is a risk you take when your son is the starting QB.

BearSD said:

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Bearly Clad said:

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Next year Colorado could legitimately be a top 3 team in the new B12. They'll still recruit well and hit the portal hard but the big issue for them is sustainability. The longer Deion keeps throwing everyone else under the bus, publicly blaming players in interviews, demoting his OC who had that unit producing even with a terrible OL, etc. then it'll get harder to keep pulling in elite talent. If he keeps that up and doesn't achieve results to justify it then the wheels will come off eventually.

I like Deion and I love it when people have real personalities instead of giving basic coach-speak answers but there's a fine line between holding guys accountable and shifting blame to everyone but yourself. I think some players will be turned off by it but the bigger issue is assistants. Making a midseason move at OC (which has been the strength of the team) as the QB's dad when your OC left a HC job to come work for you and then performing like they did against OSU is a really bad look

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That is just Deion reacting as a father instead of a head coach. Shedeur has been knocked to the ground this season more often than any other QB in college football and well over twice the average number of times a team's QB has been knocked down.

Overreacting because your own son is the guy getting hit so often is a risk you take when your son is the starting QB.

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Their new OC called 50 pass plays and about 5 runs in his first game. Wowzers.

BearSD said:

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It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

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The question is, will Prime drive away recruits with his bad acts? He is gaining a rep as an "out of the box" character and that would be hard to overcome, if it turned sour. 'Course, some kids will be attracted to this (I'm not sure it's an act anymore). So, could he coach those kids? Does he have the coaching skills to do it? So far, the jury is still out, although I hear them shuffling into the court room.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Deion has no idea how to not brag. Still doesn't mean they won't be good eventually. I'd take him over Wilcox.

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Please. Deion is winning (to the extent he is) because he has players who came with him but would not have been eligible to play at Colorado in 2022. Which means they would not have been eligible to play at Cal in 2023 or EVER.

GivemTheAxe said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Deion has no idea how to not brag. Still doesn't mean they won't be good eventually. I'd take him over Wilcox.

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Please. Deion is winning (to the extent he is) because he has players who came with him but would not have been eligible to play at Colorado in 2022. Which means they would not have been eligible to play at Cal in 2023 or EVER.

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I believe this is true. Certainly many coaches won't come here if there are restrictions that they think will keep them from winning. The bottomline though is that recruiting is the biggest key to winning. I don't think Wilcox can recruit very well. I think Deion will recruit well anywhere he goes. I bet he can even recruit coaches because they believe coaching a winning team will lead to advancement.

Rushinbear said:

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BearSD said:

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It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

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The question is, will Prime drive away recruits with his bad acts? He is gaining a rep as an "out of the box" character and that would be hard to overcome, if it turned sour. 'Course, some kids will be attracted to this (I'm not sure it's an act anymore). So, could he coach those kids? Does he have the coaching skills to do it? So far, the jury is still out, although I hear them shuffling into the court room.

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Gee, and here I thought he had somehow gotten lots of money to throw at recruits, thus the question is, will Prime get big or bigger money to his future recruits?

Bottom line: we have the same record as Colorado. It's not how you start it's how you finish.

Same thing with Washington state 4-0, 0-7

Let's get that AXE!!!

3-0 to close let's bowl baby

HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

Nofado said:

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Bottom line: we have the same record as Colorado. It's not how you start it's how you finish.

Same thing with Washington state 4-0, 0-7

Let's get that AXE!!!

3-0 to close let's bowl baby

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Colorado is coming off a Cal basketball type of season. Like our basketball team, Colorado's football team will take awhile to show good results. Like all of us I could be wrong but I think Cal has the right basketball coach and Colorado has the right football coach.

Cal Junkie said:

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Our tag line might well be: "We beat the spread!!"

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we won the second half

Northside91 said:

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HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

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Football is a sport where half of your starting offense are obese, and those are the folks that allow you to have a boring offense. The Midwest and the South have the beef. Interestingly, Stanford and the glove had some of the best O lines in the country for 5+ years until it ultimately broke down.

Considering Harbaugh was the coach I am not surprised if he was cheating somehow

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Rushinbear said:

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BearSD said:

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It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

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The question is, will Prime drive away recruits with his bad acts? He is gaining a rep as an "out of the box" character and that would be hard to overcome, if it turned sour. 'Course, some kids will be attracted to this (I'm not sure it's an act anymore). So, could he coach those kids? Does he have the coaching skills to do it? So far, the jury is still out, although I hear them shuffling into the court room.

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Gee, and here I thought he had somehow gotten lots of money to throw at recruits, thus the question is, will Prime get big or bigger money to his future recruits?

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there are two questions here: will Prime's "unusual" statements and actions go so far beyond the norm that recruits will get turned off, especially when the team's performance doesn't match his bluster? and is there enough money at CO that recruits will swallow hard at the bluster, the more money is offered?

If you give top recruits more money than anyone else, but you don't coach to that level, will there be a time that losing doesn't overcome the benefits of the money? Ultimately, it's not the money for college recruits, it's the exposure to max ones attraction to the League for a high draft position. The more your team loses, the less exposure you will get, personally.

Northside91 said:

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HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

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I don't think there's a long term. Once his kids are gone I think he'll find the day to day slog of recruiting visits and the Big 12's second tier status without the constant spotlight of ascendance / new car smell stupefyingly boring.

oursdor said:

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Northside91 said:

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HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

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I don't think there's a long term. Once his kids are gone I think he'll find the day to day slog of recruiting visits and the Big 12's second tier status without the constant spotlight of ascendance / new car smell stupefyingly boring.

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Why would a guy who has money and fame and could get any TV job commenting on NFL games take a coaching job at Jackson State? His sons certainly would have been recruited by bigger. better schools without him coaching. So I don't understand the leap to say he'll get bored with the grind of coaching. Maybe he will but he certainly has other options to choose from.

Later

82gradDLSdad said:

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oursdor said:

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Northside91 said:

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HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

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I don't think there's a long term. Once his kids are gone I think he'll find the day to day slog of recruiting visits and the Big 12's second tier status without the constant spotlight of ascendance / new car smell stupefyingly boring.

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Why would a guy who has money and fame and could get any TV job commenting on NFL games take a coaching job at Jackson State? His sons certainly would have been recruited by bigger. better schools without him coaching. So I don't understand the leap to say he'll get bored with the grind of coaching. Maybe he will but he certainly has other options to choose from.

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Pure speculation, obviously, but it probably seemed like a great challenge/adventure to him, a few years ago, but now it's starting to get old. Who knows, maybe he grinds through, just to avoid having to fail at something in public, but my guess is, he's already looking for an exit strategy.

Two decommits including #3 QB

HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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They got out of the way when they saw Arizona coming. You don't want to get in the way of that train.

Big C said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oursdor said:

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Northside91 said:

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HKBear97! said:

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They said they "we coming", but I haven't seen them. Have you?

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Built into the conversation/excessive focus on Colorado is one of the things that's been poisoning the public discourse for at least 10 years. That said, most of the yay Deion types and nay Deion types invalidate themselves through their ulterior motives, which have squat to do with college football.

The bottom line is that Colorado isn't relevant at all right now. Will the noise translate into long term success? Who knows. Does the noise kind of devalue college football? Probably yes, but I can't think of too many things that don't in 2023.

Back at the ranch, Cal is still 4-6 and played in a morgue-like venue yesterday. What Deion and Sonny did doesn't change any of that.

The old man in me looks longingly at Iowa. Winning in the most boring possible way. The antidote to Deion, Sonny, ulterior motives and Cal.

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I don't think there's a long term. Once his kids are gone I think he'll find the day to day slog of recruiting visits and the Big 12's second tier status without the constant spotlight of ascendance / new car smell stupefyingly boring.

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Why would a guy who has money and fame and could get any TV job commenting on NFL games take a coaching job at Jackson State? His sons certainly would have been recruited by bigger. better schools without him coaching. So I don't understand the leap to say he'll get bored with the grind of coaching. Maybe he will but he certainly has other options to choose from.

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Pure speculation, obviously, but it probably seemed like a great challenge/adventure to him, a few years ago, but now it's starting to get old. Who knows, maybe he grinds through, just to avoid having to fail at something in public, but my guess is, he's already looking for an exit strategy.

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Has he said things indicating he's looking to get out? Genuine question. I don't follow them and most certainly he's lost his luster. I will say I find his story and our own Mark Madsen's interesting. Both took over train wrecks and both brought a lot of promise. Sanders obviously is more boastful and I know that irritates folks but both are facing first year challenges. We'll see.

BearSD said:

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It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

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Everyone really seems to be enjoying taking a dump on CU. Seems a lot of people are uncomfortable with Deion and what he's doing.

All that was really missing is that they needed to recruit the lines better. had they done that, they probably win 7 or 8. CU had plenty of skill guys and Shadeur showed he was a pretty good QB when kept upright.

Regardless, compared to last year's CU team it was a remarkable improvement. Just ran out of steam and depth playing in a historically good Pac 12. If Deion can handle the snow long term, he should be able to get things rolling in a big way. Particularly in a wide-open Big 12... of next years' teams, I only think Utah is clearly better. And Deion should be able to out-recruit everyone left.

I'm mostly glad we'll be missing all of that if I'm honest.

bencgilmore said:

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BearSD said:

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It's all about recruiting.

CU had too many holes to patch in one season, but Deion and his staff recruit well, so they are more likely than most teams to be able to address their shortcomings with transfers, and then freshman recruits for the longer term.

Great players will overcome so-so coaching far more often than great coaching could overcome so-so players.

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Everyone really seems to be enjoying taking a dump on CU. Seems a lot of people are uncomfortable with Deion and what he's doing.

All that was really missing is that they needed to recruit the lines better. had they done that, they probably win 7 or 8. CU had plenty of skill guys and Shadeur showed he was a pretty good QB when kept upright.

Regardless, compared to last year's CU team it was a remarkable improvement. Just ran out of steam and depth playing in a historically good Pac 12. If Deion can handle the snow long term, he should be able to get things rolling in a big way. Particularly in a wide-open Big 12... of next years' teams, I only think Utah is clearly better. And Deion should be able to out-recruit everyone left.

I'm mostly glad we'll be missing all of that if I'm honest.

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His best players are his kids and the incredible top recruit who followed him from his other school. Can he keep up the recruiting although the mustard is off the hotdog? Does he have a plan to improve the lines? Maybe he shouldn't have constructively booted some decent linemen from CU. How do his current linemen feel when he threw them under the bus. His mess.