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San Jose State completed its recovery from a 1-5 start Saturday night, gaining bowl eligibility with a 24-13 victory over San Diego State on a wet and windy night at Spartan Stadium.
With six wins, the Spartans (6-5) have met the requirement to be invited to a bowl game. Usually, that's enough, but with five other Mountain West teams also eligible and two more in contention, an invitation is not guaranteed. In 2013, the Spartans won six games and were left out in the cold.
If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
In 2003 SC got bumped from the BCS title game because Boise State beat Hawaii and Syracuse beat Notre Dame in the final weekend (among other things) which materially impacted their computer score, they didn't decrease the priority of the computer score calculation until a few seasons later.sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
Yes, the AP and coaches poll had an effect on the final ranking, just not on the computer rankings which were their own separate component.ColoradoBear said:sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
That's true, but (technically coaches' poll) voting had a huge effect on the BCS rankings as they were also a main component.
sycasey said:Yes, the AP and coaches poll had an effect on the final ranking, just not on the computer rankings which were their own separate component.ColoradoBear said:sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
That's true, but (technically coaches' poll) voting had a huge effect on the BCS rankings as they were also a main component.
And as I recall, this and other similar things led to the coaches poll wanting to take itself out of BCS and/or playoff rankings, and then the AP also following suit, leading to the NCAA having to form its own committee.calumnus said:
The Coaches' Poll was also a big factor. At the time it was anonymous, they did not reveal how each coach voted. After Mack Brown's lobbying after our taking a knee to run out the clock on our win at Southern Miss, Cal dropped pretty far in the coaches' poll. The smoking gun is that it was revealed several (unnamed) coaches dropped us out of their Top 10. There was clearly gaming going on. I think something similar in the writers' poll too.
They will make a bowl game. AFAIK there already aren't enough 6-win teams to fill all the bowl slots so they will get one.RedlessWardrobe said:
At 7-5 shouldn't they still make a bowl? It would really suck if they didn't. Maybe one of you bowl specialists can clue us in.
I don't remember this being correct. AP was used for the computers and they did not want to be part of it due to integrity issues.sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
The BCS rankings had three components that were all averaged against each other:BearinOC said:I don't remember this being correct. AP was used for the computers and they did not want to be part of it due to integrity issues.sycasey said:The AP ranking had no effect on the computers. The thing that hurt our computer ranking was ASU getting upset by Arizona in the last game, since ASU was our best win.BearinOC said:If I remember correctly, Mack Brown persuaded the other coaches to lower Cal's AP ranking. This in turn lowered the overall computer ranking causing us to miss out on the Rose bowl. It was a domino effect and AP withdrawing from the computer formula going forward. I do not see similar scenario here of injustice that Kneepad Mack Brown caused.Ccajon2 said:
Finish in a 3 way tie @ 6-2, 6 wins in a row, Toughest OOC, beat UNLV at their place. Computers get to make the pick. This is similar to when Cal got scr--ed out of the RB by kneepads Brown. Lol.
I know it's about the $$. Boise will bring in 30k fans to Allegiant will be a nice crowd.
Cal vs SJS in a bowl game?
And also if the exact same result had happened earlier in the season, everyone would have forgotten about it by the end. The last memory would have been Cal winning the Big Game in a blowout.BancroftSteps said:
Yeah it was the coach's poll. Mac Brown mounted a campaign via fax machine. He was helped by a lackluster victory over Southern Miss which in turn was set in motion by a hurricane early in the season that bumped our ooc scheduled "B" team whom we most assuredly would have roundly defeated earlier in the season.
sycasey said:And also if the exact same result had happened earlier in the season, everyone would have forgotten about it by the end. The last memory would have been Cal winning the Big Game in a blowout.BancroftSteps said:
Yeah it was the coach's poll. Mac Brown mounted a campaign via fax machine. He was helped by a lackluster victory over Southern Miss which in turn was set in motion by a hurricane early in the season that bumped our ooc scheduled "B" team whom we most assuredly would have roundly defeated earlier in the season.
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Another controversy occurred this season when voters jumped Texas over California in the final regular-season poll. Texas coach Mack Brown publicly lobbied voters to give Texas the final at-large bid. Although the Bears, as Pac-10 runner-up, normally would have had first crack at a Rose Bowl berth, Brown lobbied for and got that berth. Several Associated Press voters were besieged by fan emails and phone calls attempting to sway their votes, apparently spurred from Brown's pleas to rank Texas ahead of other "less deserving teams."[28][29] California's cause was hurt when it won a less than impressive in a 2616 victory over 24-point underdog Southern Miss in Hattiesburg, Mississippi the night before bowl bids were extended.[30]
Nine of the 65 AP voters moved Texas ahead of Cal, and three of them were from Texas.[31] In the Coaches Poll, four voters moved Cal down to No. 7 and two to No. 8, when the week before none had them lower than No. 6. Meanwhile, two coaches moved Texas up to No. 3, even though they did not play that week.[32][33] The Los Angeles Times wrote that accusations were raised about manipulated voting, but the individual votes were not released to prove or disprove the allegations.[34] In the end, Texas gained 23 points on Cal in the AP Poll, and 43 points in the Coaches Poll. This allowed Texas to earn a BCS berth, finishing .0129 points ahead of Cal in the BCS standings after being .0013 points behind. In the Rose Bowl, Texas rallied to defeat Big Ten champion Michigan in a thriller, 38-37.
Following the game, Brown was heavily criticized for his lobbying of votes, while Cal coach Jeff Tedford called for all votes to be released to the public. The Golden Bears lost to Texas Tech in the Holiday Bowl, 45-31, hurting their cause. Cal played without two of the highest performing receivers in the NCAA,[35] however, their loss was attributed in many press reports to the Bears' disappointment over being denied their first Rose Bowl appearance in 45 years.
As a result of two straight years of controversy, the Associated Press removed its poll from the BCS formula, instead choosing to give out its own national championship trophy. The AP Poll was replaced by the Harris Interactive Poll the following year.
