Maybe overall wins?

UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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Maybe overall wins?

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You're just whining about Shreveport vs Los Angeles. Any fool knows that Shreveport is the Paris of northwest Louisiana. Delightfully accessible, too.

It's amazing to think that, had we beaten USC, we would have had our first winning season in the confernece since 2009, would have swept California and would have finished ahead of the Trojans in the standings. All for naught because the officials wouldn't call blatant PI on the 2 point try.

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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Well we only beat two teams over .500 in Idaho and UCLA.

Still better than UCLA.

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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Well we only beat two teams over .500 in Idaho and UCLA.

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True. Though if we'd played Coastal Carolina instead of Auburn (as UCLA did in having a B-B-C OOC schedule versus our A-B-C schedule), we'd be 7-5 too. Oh well, at the end of the day, the only difference is whether one is selected for the Bad Boy Mowers Mac and Cheese Bowl or the Rob Gronkowski Potato Bowl.

UCLA also got Arizona and Colorado instead of Washington and Oregon. We likely beat Colorado.

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

Just curious how tbe pac12 arrived at the final standings. Tie breaker is supposed to be head to head.

kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Maybe so, but what does that have to do with Gkhoury2325's misstatement of fact?

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kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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I didn't imply that at all. You inferred something that isn't there.

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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I didn't imply that at all. You inferred something that isn't there.

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Why did you compare Idaho to Coastal and not NC Central?

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kal kommie said:

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kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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I didn't imply that at all. You inferred something that isn't there.

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Why did you compare Idaho to Coastal and not NC Central?

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Because Gkhoury2325 said UCLA only beat one team over .500 and I thought Idaho and Coastal Carolina were the other wins over plus .500 teams for us and UCLA respectively.

In fact I didn't realize until now that NC Central is over .500 as well. So UCLA has actually beaten three teams above .500, making the original claim even more mistaken.

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kal kommie said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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I didn't imply that at all. You inferred something that isn't there.

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Why did you compare Idaho to Coastal and not NC Central?

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Because Gkhoury2325 said UCLA only beat one team over .500 and I thought Idaho and Coastal Carolina were the other wins over plus .500 teams for us and UCLA respectively.

In fact I didn't realize until now that NC Central is over .500 as well. So UCLA has actually beaten three teams above .500, making the original claim even more mistaken.

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Ok. It was confusing bc you specifically referenced Idaho's FCS status when comparing them to FBS Coastal even though Ucla also beat FCS NC Central. I think but can't be sure that Gk may have read my prior accurate post that Ucla only beat one P5 team over .500 (same as Cal, except ours was the head-to-head with Ucla) and just was imprecise when reposting the info.

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Would we have beaten ourselves?

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WalterSobchak said:

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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You seem to be implying that Ucla didn't play a FCS team. If so, check again.

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I didn't imply that at all. You inferred something that isn't there.

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Why did you compare Idaho to Coastal and not NC Central?

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Because Gkhoury2325 said UCLA only beat one team over .500 and I thought Idaho and Coastal Carolina were the other wins over plus .500 teams for us and UCLA respectively.

In fact I didn't realize until now that NC Central is over .500 as well. So UCLA has actually beaten three teams above .500, making the original claim even more mistaken.

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Ok. It was confusing bc you specifically referenced Idaho's FCS status when comparing them to FBS Coastal even though Ucla also beat FCS NC Central. I think but can't be sure that Gk may have read my prior accurate post that Ucla only beat one P5 team over .500 (same as Cal, except ours was the head-to-head with Ucla) and just was imprecise when reposting the info.

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Ah, I see. I referenced Idaho's FCS status because it is not uncommon to see fans of FBS teams occasionally separate wins over FCS teams, so the mistaken statement that they only beat one plus .500 team seemed more glaring since in actuality we only beat one plus .500 FBS team while they beat two.

I agree with another poster's observation that their schedule was weaker and we would probably have won more than the 6 games we did if we got to have their schedule instead. Generally though I'm happy to promote UCLA's record since in the end it just makes our win over them better if they suck less.

UCLA is not ahead of Cal in the P12 standings. Both are tied for #7.

We beat UCLA. Who cares about their SOS or quality of wins?

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Just curious how tbe pac12 arrived at the final standings. Tie breaker is supposed to be head to head.

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Because the lazy person who updates the pac12 webserver sorted by overall record instead of the (correct) head-to-head. Lazy programming.

Wow. After all that hype Colorado finished last in the conference.

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Wow. After all that hype Colorado finished last in the conference.

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Not last in revenue though! And they don't get left behind in the MWC.

I think we're really just considered as tied at 4-5. Tie breakers would apply only in certain situations which I don't think will apply to us.

For what it's worth, ESPN has us ahead of UCLA in their standings. https://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/group/9

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Dang the revisionists are out in force! 7 wins. At.The.Most

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I think we're really just considered as tied at 4-5. Tie breakers would apply only in certain situations which I don't think will apply to us.

For what it's worth, ESPN has us ahead of UCLA in their standings. https://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/group/9

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It's because they use as a tiebreaker the quality and class of the institutions (either that, or they go by alphabetic order.)

I emailed the pac12 but they never reply so I am not hopeful.

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I think we're really just considered as tied at 4-5. Tie breakers would apply only in certain situations which I don't think will apply to us.

For what it's worth, ESPN has us ahead of UCLA in their standings. https://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/group/9

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Good

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Gkhoury2325 said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Dang the revisionists are out in force! 7 wins. At.The.Most

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LOL, sure. You're hilarious. Please keep not defending Ucla, your bitterness is my cherry on top.

WalterSobchak said:

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Dang the revisionists are out in force! 7 wins. At.The.Most

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LOL, sure. You're hilarious. Please keep not defending Ucla, your bitterness is my cherry on top.

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You again? This is the reason why I don't normally respond to you because your takes are shyte, your analysis is biased and most of the time you write like you're sped. Again - tell me where these 9 wins from uclas svhedule come from. Rather than the ******y remarks - show me you actually know something except being a face painting homer.

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Dang the revisionists are out in force! 7 wins. At.The.Most

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LOL, sure. You're hilarious. Please keep not defending Ucla, your bitterness is my cherry on top.

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You again? This is the reason why I don't normally respond to you because your takes are shyte, your analysis is biased and most of the time you write like you're sped. Again - tell me where these 9 wins from uclas svhedule come from. Rather than the ******y remarks - show me you actually know something except being a face painting homer.

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LOL. Cal had a 7 win FLOOR with Ucla's schedule. Only question marks are whether they would beat UA to get to 8 and USC after they quit to get to 9. Saying 7 "At.The.Most" like a total clown is what made me laugh.

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UCLA only beat one team over .500 USC. That's ridiculous.

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No, they beat two teams over .500, USC and Coastal Carolina. Coastal Carolina is 7-5 and unlike Idaho is FBS.

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We are 9-3 with their schedule.

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Dang the revisionists are out in force! 7 wins. At.The.Most

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LOL, sure. You're hilarious. Please keep not defending Ucla, your bitterness is my cherry on top.

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You again? This is the reason why I don't normally respond to you because your takes are shyte, your analysis is biased and most of the time you write like you're sped. Again - tell me where these 9 wins from uclas svhedule come from. Rather than the ******y remarks - show me you actually know something except being a face painting homer.

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Do we play the teams at the same time that UCLA played them?

vs Coastal Carolina - W
at San Diego State - W
vs North Carolina Central - W
at Utah - L
vs Washington State - W
@ Oregon State - L
@ Stanford - W
vs Colorado - W
@ Arizona - L
vs Arizona State - W
@ USC - L
vs UCLA - W

This assumes we replace 2 losses (washington and oregon), with 1 loss and 1 win (Arizona and Colorado) along with 1 extra win in ooc which would take us to 8-4.

I think you could easily argue timing of the USC game (after they lost to oregon/washington and were basically done for the year) that we would have won that game getting us to 9 wins. But if we are going to play that game, you could easily argue we would have lost to Washington State, who had just beaten Oregon State and was playing well when they played UCLA.

There's also a lot of other what ifs here that make things hard to compare....like would Sam Jackson have gotten hurt playing Coastal Carolina? Would Mendoza have ever played?

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I think we're really just considered as tied at 4-5. Tie breakers would apply only in certain situations which I don't think will apply to us.

For what it's worth, ESPN has us ahead of UCLA in their standings. https://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/group/9

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It's because they use as a tiebreaker the quality and class of the institutions (either that, or they go by alphabetic order.)

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Lol. It's not alphabetical because Utah is above USC and they have the same record. OSU does as well and didn't play USC or Utah so they are above both. So it looks like ESPN might consider head to head in their rankings