The Official BI is Jared Goff Going to His 2nd Super Bowl GameThread

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bear2034 said:

DiabloWags said:

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Golden One said:

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Happy for Goff, but Shanahan has to be on the hot seat and Steve Wilks has to go. Just too much talent on this 49er team to get manhandled like they did in the 1st half.



Bwwwwwaaaaaahhaaaahhhhaaaa!!!


Whatever, but the point stands because it is completely valid. The Niners had a terrible first half.

They had a bad first half because the Lions were better. Home field advantage and the Lions' lack of experience were the difference.

It felt a bit like our last game against USC, double digit lead at the half, big mistakes and momentum change in the 2nd half.
Don't you ever know when to keep your pie hole shut?

They call him Putin88 over in the OT Forum for a good reason.

Niner's clearly made some defensive adjustments at halftime and threw the towel in on their zone coverage.
Used man coverage on a number of plays in the second half on 3rd down and it worked.

Zone or man, Reynolds dropped two catchable passes from Goff in the 2nd half that would have extended drives. What's done is done. 49ers have zero chance against the force that is Taylor Swift.
There is a reason the Rams let Reynolds go.
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bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.
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bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.



Me too.
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I hate to say this as a born and raised Oaklander, but Purdy seems like a pretty decent kid. He says the right things after games. He is humble and that goes a long way with me.

I think Taylor Swift is a positive force in society, but I am f@ucking tired of the traveling KC carnival (and that includes her bestie, Mahomes' annoying wife) so I will be rooting for Purdy.
I need Goodell to get that tired schtick outa my face!
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I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?
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Big C said:


I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?

The comely Ms. Olivia Culpo.


* I read the Daily Mail daily. That keeps me hip/hep, or does that term out me as a late 1960's/early 1970's stoner?

"It's good to be the King."

*If I was his life coach, I would advise him to marry that attractive girl he liked in high school or college in the days before he had $65,600,000 in career earnings at the close of the 2023 season. She probably would even stand by his side when CTE comes knocking.

*I had a high school buddy that qualified for the PGA tour and married a hot groupie. After a couple of years he lost his card and his wife. She moved on to a better player.
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Big C said:


I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?

Wrong running back.
It's Kristin Juszczyk.

Kristin Juszczyk (@kristinjuszczyk) Instagram photos and videos






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bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay
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DiabloWags said:

Big C said:


I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?

Wrong running back.
It's Kristin Juszczyk.

Kristin Juszczyk (@kristinjuszczyk) Instagram photos and videos







well researched. It's a delicate business pointing out Sr moments
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I can't stop laughing at these pics. Thanks for posting.
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DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
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okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
None.
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okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
I typically drop down off the Dumbartion, cayak and then portage
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cal83dls79 said:

okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
I typically drop down off the Dumbartion, cayak and then portage
Rough slog through those salt ponds. You're a real fan!
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DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

I'm not sure that the people that can afford to attend a Niners game ever soiled themselves amongst the unclean masses at CMS anyway.
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Question: Dan Campbell said something to the effect of it will be harder for the Lions next season because everybody will know they are good.

But, like, they beat the Chiefs in the opening game of the season. Did teams not consider them good?

Anyways, I think teams that lose a Super Bowl get a hangover the next season. But losing a championship game doesn't hurt as much.

And Ben Johnson will be back.

And no way the Lions would've won vs. the team of destiny
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Motivators motivate. All he's doing.

ps Do I win a prize or something for being the first to answer correctly? I'm dying to know.
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WalterSobchak said:

cal83dls79 said:

okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
I typically drop down off the Dumbartion, cayak and then portage
Rough slog through those salt ponds. You're a real fan!
planning my portage now to Pitt game
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okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
Who said anything about attending games? The brand is based on the city in the name. No one in NY is pedantic about their teams playing in a separate state. NFL revenue comes much more from TV viewership than butts in seats
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okaydo said:

Question: Dan Campbell said something to the effect of it will be harder for the Lions next season because everybody will know they are good.

But, like, they beat the Chiefs in the opening game of the season. Did teams not consider them good?

Anyways, I think teams that lose a Super Bowl get a hangover the next season. But losing a championship game doesn't hurt as much.

And Ben Johnson will be back.

And no way the Lions would've won vs. the team of destiny


Dan Campbell has reached the apex of his career. He and the suffering Detroit fans should just be happy when the NFC Central Champion flag is raised
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DoubtfulBear said:

okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
Who said anything about attending games? The brand is based on the city in the name. No one in NY is pedantic about their teams playing in a separate state. NFL revenue comes much more from TV viewership than butts in seats
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DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay


You do not cross the Bay to get to Santa Clara.
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DoubtfulBear said:

okaydo said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay

Which bay do you have to cross to attend a 49ers game?
Who said anything about attending games? The brand is based on the city in the name. No one in NY is pedantic about their teams playing in a separate state. NFL revenue comes much more from TV viewership than butts in seats


I was an LA Ram fan growing up, when the Rams became the LA Rams of Anaheim I stopped being a fan. That said, your point was about East Bay fans, which holds. Why would an East Bay fan care if the team in actually in San Francisco? If anything, it is ALOT easier to get to Niner games in Santa Clara from the East Bay than from San Francisco.

However, with ZERO pro teams in the East Bay, you don't need ALL the East Bay fans to become Cal fans. I know people who were Raider season ticket holders who are already Cal fans. Many other people cannot afford Niners season tickets. It is possible to be fans of both. Attend Cal games on Saturdays and watch the Niners on TV Sundays. And also addressing your point, the brand is "California" and the idea is to win featuring local East Bay talent not "elite research university with a mediocre football team." The opportunity to grow the fan base is huge.
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Pro football and college football are different sports; no reason people can't be interested in both.
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DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
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okaydo said:



And Ben Johnson will be back.




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Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
I would imagine Detroit was full of Michigan fans before the Lions started having a resurgence this year
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DoubtfulBear said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
I would imagine Detroit was full of Michigan fans before the Lions started having a resurgence this year



That's a good example. I don't know enough about Detroit to know it's true. . The Lions still sell out even when bad but Michigan does also and has a bigger stadium by 1/3. You might be able to make a similar case in Ohio with the Buckeyes. Both Michigan and tOSU represent state Universities that the whole state adopts, similar to the South, but in the Bay Area- Stanford and Cal have fans that are more affiliated with the schools not the casual football fan.. The pro football franchises have always had bigger bases
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cal83dls79 said:

DiabloWags said:

Big C said:


I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?

Wrong running back.
It's Kristin Juszczyk.

Kristin Juszczyk (@kristinjuszczyk) Instagram photos and videos







well researched. It's a delicate business pointing out Sr moments

To the extent that I care about this, I am totally confused now: Isn't the person that did the jacket for Taylor Swift, the wife of Kyle Jycxzycxyzk (sp?), the 49ers fullback? If so, what did I get wrong?
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Interestingly enough the distance between Berkeley and Santa Clara is about the same distance between Ann Arbor and Detroit. That being said, Cal had to deal with two additional pro teams (Raiders, A's) than the Detroit area.
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Big C said:

cal83dls79 said:

DiabloWags said:

Big C said:


I'm guessing Ms. Juicy (wife of Niners FB, whatever her name is) is not going to knit her a custom Super Bowl jacket?

Wrong running back.
It's Kristin Juszczyk.

Kristin Juszczyk (@kristinjuszczyk) Instagram photos and videos







well researched. It's a delicate business pointing out Sr moments

To the extent that I care about this, I am totally confused now: Isn't the person that did the jacket for Taylor Swift, the wife of Kyle Jycxzycxyzk (sp?), the 49ers fullback? If so, what did I get wrong?


You didn't get it wrong. I set up the error by talking about Christian and his fianc Culpo. I knew Culpo never did those jerseys but I took off at "juicy" into a senior fail. It my bad, Bruh.
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Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
I would imagine Detroit was full of Michigan fans before the Lions started having a resurgence this year



That's a good example. I don't know enough about Detroit to know it's true. . The Lions still sell out even when bad but Michigan does also and has a bigger stadium by 1/3. You might be able to make a similar case in Ohio with the Buckeyes. Both Michigan and tOSU represent state Universities that the whole state adopts, similar to the South, but in the Bay Area- Stanford and Cal have fans that are more affiliated with the schools not the casual football fan.. The pro football franchises have always had bigger bases


It is not all or nothing. I grew up in LA rooting for UCLA and the Rams. USC still has unaffiliated fans with the Rams and Chargers there. I know someone from Seattle who is a Husky football fan even though they went to Gonzaga. Tom Hanks is a Cal fan who grew up in Oakland and went to Chabot. I have a cousin who is a Stanford season ticket holder even though he went to Sac State.
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Enjoy the pics!

Fleetwood Mask at Lesher Arts Center in Walnut Creek this Friday.
Don't miss it!

Lead guitarist Christopher Zerbe is something else in his solo at the 3:00 mark.
So good live!!!




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calumnus said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
I would imagine Detroit was full of Michigan fans before the Lions started having a resurgence this year



That's a good example. I don't know enough about Detroit to know it's true. . The Lions still sell out even when bad but Michigan does also and has a bigger stadium by 1/3. You might be able to make a similar case in Ohio with the Buckeyes. Both Michigan and tOSU represent state Universities that the whole state adopts, similar to the South, but in the Bay Area- Stanford and Cal have fans that are more affiliated with the schools not the casual football fan.. The pro football franchises have always had bigger bases


It is not all or nothing. I grew up in LA rooting for UCLA and the Rams. USC still has unaffiliated fans with the Rams and Chargers there. I know someone from Seattle who is a Husky football fan even though they went to Gonzaga. Tom Hanks is a Cal fan who grew up in Oakland and went to Chabot. I have a cousin who is a Stanford season ticket holder even though he went to Sac State.

How do we know Tom Hanks is a Cal fan? Do we have any proof of him being a Cal fan in the past 20 years. Yeah, there's that clip. But he also has since sported Stanford gear...
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okaydo said:

calumnus said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Anarchistbear said:

DoubtfulBear said:

bear2034 said:

bearister said:

"I realize Roger Goodell has told the officials that he desires a Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce sloppy kiss on the 50 yard line after a Chiefs W in the Super Bowl, BUT I STILL INTEND TO GET THERE!"

GO GOFF!

It's Purdy vs. Swift now.

Don't hate me, I'm rooting for Purdy.


Not that it matters much, but if the Niners win we would lose the potential East Bay fan base for good. No chance they will root for an elite research university with a mediocre football program when there's a winning pro team across the bay



What cities with pro teams and Universities have bigger fan bases for University football?
I would imagine Detroit was full of Michigan fans before the Lions started having a resurgence this year



That's a good example. I don't know enough about Detroit to know it's true. . The Lions still sell out even when bad but Michigan does also and has a bigger stadium by 1/3. You might be able to make a similar case in Ohio with the Buckeyes. Both Michigan and tOSU represent state Universities that the whole state adopts, similar to the South, but in the Bay Area- Stanford and Cal have fans that are more affiliated with the schools not the casual football fan.. The pro football franchises have always had bigger bases


It is not all or nothing. I grew up in LA rooting for UCLA and the Rams. USC still has unaffiliated fans with the Rams and Chargers there. I know someone from Seattle who is a Husky football fan even though they went to Gonzaga. Tom Hanks is a Cal fan who grew up in Oakland and went to Chabot. I have a cousin who is a Stanford season ticket holder even though he went to Sac State.

How do we know Tom Hanks is a Cal fan? Do we have any proof of him being a Cal fan in the past 20 years. Yeah, there's that clip. But he also has since sported Stanford gear...


His eyes lit up and told Costas he would trade an Oscar for a Heisman "if it could be as halfback for the California Golden Bears." THAT is a fan.

He probably had to wear the Stanford gear because he lost a bet with Reece Witherspoon or his son Truman (who went to Stanford).
 
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