Chip Kelly bouncing out of Westwood

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Well-deserved fUCLA.
DWM81
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What a disaster...
DoubtfulBear
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DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
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How much does the OC position pay?
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Imaging hating your job so much that you are willing to relocate, take a 60-70% paycut and take a massive step-back in prestige to leave. It's not even like the job has lower hours or less stress or anything. Sure he was a dead man walking but this is unheard of.
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DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
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Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
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concernedparent said:

Imaging hating your job so much that you are willing to relocate, take a 60-70% paycut and take a massive step-back in prestige to leave. It's not even like the job has lower hours or less stress or anything. Sure he was a dead man walking but this is unheard of.
Yeah, even if Chip would have been canned after the 2024 season, he would have made as much in 2024 at UCLA as he will make in four years as Ohio State's OC, if he's even there for that long.
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DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.
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concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Simple - they sheet the bed in 2024 and get a rockstar the year after. Everyone is going to forgive 2024. The media rights deal will get them someone good.
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Hahahaha
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Wilcox to UCLA









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How's it going JMike and Mateen!
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bluehenbear said:

Wilcox to UCLA









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How's it going JMike and Mateen!
Extension time.
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If I were Wilcox, I'd encourage my OC to put in a phone call to Justyn Martyn. If he initially committed to Cal, he must have some affinity for the place. Maybe there's a reason he's buried in the UCLA depth chart, but I think it's worth checking.
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UC Los Angeles deserves it but I don't see how anyone could think this is anything but an unmitigated disaster for them in the short term. Yes there are circumstances that might alleviate some of the issues, and I'll address those, but here's a list of facts.

  • They are losing a HC very late in the cycle with no obvious quality replacement

  • It's also late in the portal season and most of the quality players have already found homes


  • When a HC leaves it frees every signee to freely and openly hit the portal and look for another team but it doesn't provide the same in reverse. UC Los Angeles might lose even more players and won't have a deep talent pool to replace them

  • They aren't very deep with talent regardless as Chip didn't recruit very strongly and relied on incoming portal transfers to buttress their team. Those are exactly the kind of older guys who are more likely to want out now since they only have a year or two to make their NFL dreams a reality and a rebuild under uncertain coaching won't appeal to them

  • They do have a lot of incoming B10 money but are likely to have another bottom-feeder year. How many coaches will want to have to rebuild from the bottom in one of the toughest divisions? It'll take a huge paycheck to get anyone decent because the failure they'll be set up for will be a resume killer in the future

  • Chip wasn't a very good HC but there's no one freely available right now who's significantly better. And even if they find a diamond in the rough it could take a year or two to implement their system and get the right talent for it. That's another two years of bottom-feeding and no bowl games while schools across the rest of the B10, and the country, sign the top talent in LA while winning games thus neutering the biggest advantage UC Los Angeles ever had

Obviously they could sign a stud out of nowhere, they could use their money to poach an established name from another conference, they could bounce back quickly and all this is just a blip or even a blessing. But you'd have to agree that the worst-case scenario of them fading into CFB obscurity for the next decade while they fight to achieve even mediocre results is a lot more likely the best case scenario of them coming out of this as a national powerhouse.

Congratulations UC Los Angeles, you played yourselves and now you get to know what it feels like to be a perennial doormat in the Midwest. You might as well be Northwestern at this point. You get no pity from me. Good riddance
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Bearly Clad said:

UC Los Angeles deserves it but I don't see how anyone could think this is anything but an unmitigated disaster for them in the short term. Yes there are circumstances that might alleviate some of the issues, and I'll address those, but here's a list of facts.

  • They are losing a HC very late in the cycle with no obvious quality replacement

  • It's also late in the portal season and most of the quality players have already found homes


  • When a HC leaves it frees every signee to freely and openly hit the portal and look for another team but it doesn't provide the same in reverse. UC Los Angeles might lose even more players and won't have a deep talent pool to replace them

  • They aren't very deep with talent regardless as Chip didn't recruit very strongly and relied on incoming portal transfers to buttress their team. Those are exactly the kind of older guys who are more likely to want out now since they only have a year or two to make their NFL dreams a reality and a rebuild under uncertain coaching won't appeal to them

  • They do have a lot of incoming B10 money but are likely to have another bottom-feeder year. How many coaches will want to have to rebuild from the bottom in one of the toughest divisions? It'll take a huge paycheck to get anyone decent because the failure they'll be set up for will be a rsum killer in the future

  • Chip wasn't a very good HC but there's no one freely available right now who's significantly better. And even if they find a diamond in the rough it could take a year or two to implement their system and get the right talent for it. That's another two years of bottom-feeding and no bowl games while schools across the rest of the B10, and the country, sign the top talent in LA while winning games thus neutering the biggest advantage UC Los Angeles ever had

Obviously they could sign a stud out of nowhere, they could use their money to poach an established name from another conference, they could bounce back quickly and all this is just a blip or even a blessing. But you'd have to agree that the worst-case scenario of them fading into CFB obscurity for the next decade while they fight to achieve even mediocre results is a lot more likely the best case scenario of them coming out of this as a national powerhouse.

Congratulations UC Los Angeles, you played yourselves and now you get to know what it feels like to be a perennial doormat in the Midwest. You might as well be Northwestern at this point. You get no pity from me. Good riddance

Fair - although one thing they got going for them is that the NFL is just coming to an end so maybe they get someone from there. Think of it this way, all the positives we attribute to Cal (academics, great location, access to huge talent base, world-renowned brand) all apply to them as well. It is very attractive from that standpoint. What is really odd to me is that given all this and their admin and alumni being much more engaged in athletics, that they haven't won more and in fact, have underachieved. Regardless, I think it all sounds doom-and-gloom right now but given their advantages, they should be able to recover quickly.
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Econ141 said:

Bearly Clad said:



What is really odd to me is that given all this and their admin and alumni being much more engaged in athletics, that they haven't won more and in fact, have underachieved.
UCLA has a few prominent donors (eg Wasserman) who are "more engaged" (ie donate a lot more money), but their alums are bigger fans of basketball than football. Chip was frustrated at the very low level of NIL support that he received. Bruin homers on the internets claim that the level of support was so low only because Chip was unpopular, but football support at UCLA has never been at the level of USC or Oregon, let alone the level of Ohio State or Michigan, and it never will be, no matter who the head coach is.
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Canzano today:

In my last communication with Chip Kelly, we bantered about the sunny weather in Southern California.
He and his wife live close to the beach. Kelly was about to go out recruiting and I joked that he needed to travel to the coldest parts of the country and find the biggest humans that could fit through an airplane door.

Sell the warm weather, I offered.

Kelly shot back: "NIL defeats weather."...


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This makes ZERO sense. Leave right in the middle of your team's move into another conference half way across the country? And he wasn't fired, he RESIGNED. So no payout, right? Not even unemployment! (Yeah, right.)

When a program needs stability the most, everyone on the same page, and you're facing huge challenges, you DO NOT want to upset the ship. And this is EXACTLY what UCLA/Kelly are doing. Your program will be going over a major speed bump with all the changes. What's the LAST thing you want to do? Look for a new HC! And with this terrible timing, this was obviously unplanned. And then go through all the growing pains of the transition. Losing additional staff in the process too. And then players leave in droves. This is the LAST thing you'd do in this case.
(Unless you had a total superstar coach already lined up. Which they obviously don't.)

So this begs the question: why? What dirt is about to be revealed on Chippy that let to UCLA kindly asking him to exit stage left? Is a bombshell about to go off? Because if UCLA were happy with him and wanted to maintain as much continuity as they could, they'd have MADE SURE Chippy was happy so they could retain him. This was leverage the Chippy could have used to get a contract extension & more money. The last thing they want is this... UNLESS there's something afoot here that's about to splash the headlines.

Unmitigated disaster.

Wow, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people!

SCHADENFREUDE writ large!
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concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.
You think there's a transfer portal for head coaches?
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TandemBear said:

This makes ZERO sense. Leave right in the middle of your team's move into another conference half way across the country? And he wasn't fired, he RESIGNED. So no payout, right? Not even unemployment! (Yeah, right.)

When a program needs stability the most, everyone on the same page, and you're facing huge challenges, you DO NOT want to upset the ship. And this is EXACTLY what UCLA/Kelly are doing. Your program will be going over a major speed bump with all the changes. What's the LAST thing you want to do? Look for a new HC! And with this terrible timing, this was obviously unplanned. And then go through all the growing pains of the transition. Losing additional staff in the process too. And then players leave in droves. This is the LAST thing you'd do in this case.
(Unless you had a total superstar coach already lined up. Which they obviously don't.)

So this begs the question: why? What dirt is about to be revealed on Chippy that let to UCLA kindly asking him to exit stage left? Is a bombshell about to go off? Because if UCLA were happy with him and wanted to maintain as much continuity as they could, they'd have MADE SURE Chippy was happy so they could retain him. This was leverage the Chippy could have used to get a contract extension & more money. The last thing they want is this... UNLESS there's something afoot here that's about to splash the headlines.

Unmitigated disaster.

Wow, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people!

SCHADENFREUDE writ large!


Probably saw UCLA going 2-10 next year and instead of getting fired, decided to reset his image in Columbus with the best roster NIL can buy.
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concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
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DoubtfulBear said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.
You think there's a transfer portal for head coaches?


I think coaches are adopting the same mentality that the players are. Maybe these coaches moving to the NFL to be assistants are done with the NIL stuff. And if they get paid enough to go be an assistant in the NFL or top 10 college program - why not do it?
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Probably saw UCLA going 2-10 next year and instead of getting fired, decided to reset his image in Columbus with the best roster NIL can buy.

I think this is it.!!!
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I would wait and see who they get before I declare it a disaster for them. Kelly quitting saves them a lot of money. UCLA and the B1G is a promotion for a lot of good football coaches.

Imagine if Wilcox walked from his buyout and we could hire Pete Carroll or Ron Rivera?
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philly1121 said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
I'd rather "crap the bed" going 5-7, fire Chip and then lead the market in replacing him, than hire someone off the scrap heap now, miss out on the first transfer portal cycle/entire HS recruiting cycle, go 2-10 next year, and then either have to buy-out the coach and sell a job that has the stench of turbulence, a bottom feeder roster, and a brutal schedule OR ride it out with that scrap heap coach with a bottom feeder roster and a brutal schedule.
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calumnus said:

I would wait and see who they get before I declare it a disaster for them. Kelly quitting saves them a lot of money. UCLA and the B1G is a promotion for a lot of good football coaches.

Imagine if Wilcox walked from his buyout and we could hire Pete Carroll or Ron Rivera?


Exactly.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
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Econ141 said:

Fair - although one thing they got going for them is that the NFL is just coming to an end so maybe they get someone from there. Think of it this way, all the positives we attribute to Cal (academics, great location, access to huge talent base, world-renowned brand) all apply to them as well. It is very attractive from that standpoint. What is really odd to me is that given all this and their admin and alumni being much more engaged in athletics, that they haven't won more and in fact, have underachieved. Regardless, I think it all sounds doom-and-gloom right now but given their advantages, they should be able to recover quickly.
I get that, and, like I said, it may well work out for them. But I think hiring will be very tough right now. The NFL season is wrapping up right now but the NFL hiring cycle is pretty much over. All the jobs and coordinator jobs are filled. Plus NFL guys tend to be a different breed, even for money and advancement they don't love going down to the college ranks because it's much harder to get back to the NFL from college. They tend to be all about moving upwards and they want to work in the league.

Not to mention that it takes a different temperament and skillset in college where you have to devote tons of time to stuff like recruiting HS kids and their families, travel across the country for recruiting, identifying your next talent, and donor outreach. A lot of those guys just want a GM to set the roster and coach the guys in their room. Most of the coaches who drop down to CFB do it as a rehab job after flaming out in the league and not getting other job offers up there.

Either way we can all agree we hope the worst for them and even if they land a good coach from another school or a coordinator from the NFL they look to be in a tight spot with their recent on-field results, lack of talent, and no time or resources to build up the roster for next year . . . and that's if the players were even available for them right now, which they're not
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We can definitely agree on wishing for the worst possible outcome for them.

Looks like they saw $ signs and unwittingly signed up to being a punching bag. I wish them many years of mediocracy and worse.
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concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:







Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
I'd rather "crap the bed" going 5-7, fire Chip and then lead the market in replacing him, than hire someone off the scrap heap now, miss out on the first transfer portal cycle/entire HS recruiting cycle, go 2-10 next year, and then either have to buy-out the coach and sell a job that has the stench of turbulence, a bottom feeder roster, and a brutal schedule OR ride it out with that scrap heap coach with a bottom feeder roster and a brutal schedule.
You're making the argument for UCLA to hire an interim HC for this season and then hit the market for a permanent HC in November.

Their alternative to doing that is either hiring a sitting coach who is willing to jump now (Fleck or Aranda, maybe) or hiring an experienced HC who is not currently employed (probably Shaw, though they can dream about Carroll). Fleck might be the only one of those who would be better than going the interim route.
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concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
I'd rather "crap the bed" going 5-7, fire Chip and then lead the market in replacing him, than hire someone off the scrap heap now, miss out on the first transfer portal cycle/entire HS recruiting cycle, go 2-10 next year, and then either have to buy-out the coach and sell a job that has the stench of turbulence, a bottom feeder roster, and a brutal schedule OR ride it out with that scrap heap coach with a bottom feeder roster and a brutal schedule.
Chip was 35-34 over 6 years and 26-26 in P12 play in that same period . That is mid at best. Despite your run-on sentence, I don't see what the difference is between a new coach and Chip in the immediate aftermath of all this. ESPN is reporting that UCLA is going to name a coach in the next 4 days so maybe they already had someone in mind.

Its going to be a tough slog for UCLA no matter what. With Chip, they rank 80th in the portal. 30 spots ehind us. So they weren't doing well with Chip anyway. Teams still have the spring window in April so whoever they pick will have to recruit/sell solid from there.
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concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
I'd rather "crap the bed" going 5-7, fire Chip and then lead the market in replacing him, than hire someone off the scrap heap now, miss out on the first transfer portal cycle/entire HS recruiting cycle, go 2-10 next year, and then either have to buy-out the coach and sell a job that has the stench of turbulence, a bottom feeder roster, and a brutal schedule OR ride it out with that scrap heap coach with a bottom feeder roster and a brutal schedule.
do u hv unlimited funds?

how is avoiding a buyout with a coach you don't really want anyways a bad thing for UCLA?

That's like saying that if Wilcox walks away today that it'd be a bad thing for Cal because it's late in the cycle. If the coach is not a long term solution anyways, then we are just biding our time, which is exactly what we are doing
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TedfordTheGreat said:

concernedparent said:

philly1121 said:

concernedparent said:

DoubtfulBear said:

Strykur said:

DoubtfulBear said:

DWM81 said:

What a disaster...
The bigger disaster is going to a conference with a low payout and not being able to get rid of mediocre HC
Look at their schedule this fall, they are going to get wrecked in a bunch of games if they cannot keep the ship sailing through spring ball.
While making $50M a year and having potential to land a flashy HC. This is not a disaster for UCLA, this is the best case scenario for them heading into 2024 and B1G
What flashy HC? It's February. Portal doesn't open up again til what, summer? They seriously could be headed towards worst season in program history territory.


Wasn't the consensus on this board that they were going to crap the bed with Kelly in their first year in the B1G? What's the difference?

Hey if you're Dante Moore - what are you thinking? He's probably saying "that effer!" Lol
I'd rather "crap the bed" going 5-7, fire Chip and then lead the market in replacing him, than hire someone off the scrap heap now, miss out on the first transfer portal cycle/entire HS recruiting cycle, go 2-10 next year, and then either have to buy-out the coach and sell a job that has the stench of turbulence, a bottom feeder roster, and a brutal schedule OR ride it out with that scrap heap coach with a bottom feeder roster and a brutal schedule.
do u hv unlimited funds?

how is avoiding a buyout with a coach you don't really want anyways a bad thing for UCLA?

That's like saying that if Wilcox walks away today that it'd be a bad thing for Cal because it's late in the cycle. If the coach is not a long term solution anyways, then we are just biding our time, which is exactly what we are doing


80 to 90 percent of the head coaches in college football are not "long term solutions".
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HearstMining said:

If I were Wilcox, I'd encourage my OC to put in a phone call to Justyn Martyn. If he initially committed to Cal, he must have some affinity for the place. Maybe there's a reason he's buried in the UCLA depth chart, but I think it's worth checking.
Martyn is the longest thrower for UCLA but he must not have as much accuracy as their other QB's. When I hear their list of QB's, three or four of them, Martyn's name is never listed.
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