MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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I think the feeling is there are a lot of good running backs but few stand out from the pack, so you can afford to wait and still get a good one in a later round.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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calumnus said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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I think the feeling is there are a lot of good running backs but few stand out from the pack, so you can afford to wait and still get a good one in a later round.

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Okay but that means that those running backs coming out are getting smaller and smaller paychecks. At a certain point now, its better to not even get drafted and be an UDFA.

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Or stay on a team that pays better.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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How so? Everyone knows RBs rarely get drafted high. Everyone also knows RBs have short careers. If I was a RB considering whether to go early or not, would I think I'd have a better chance to go higher the next year? When I'm older, have more wear and tear, and will have had to spent a year avoiding serious injury? Get paid when you can. Running backs should always go early when they can.

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College programs aren't running 1980s offenses anymore...these guys are coming out of college pretty healthy with low amounts of carries. Other than Wisconsin/Iowa, I can't think of power 5 teams that run the ball more than they pass. This is also translating into the NFL which is why NFL teams aren't drafting many RBs too and they stay healthier giving them longer careers, which in terms makes less available openings.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Or stay on a team that pays better.

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Your pay is determined by your draft position...not a lot of wiggle room.

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calumnus said:

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Oakbear said:

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calumnus said:

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Big C said:

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Okay, really good NFL Draft news for us will be when we start getting players drafted (again)...

But in the meantime, all those Pac 12 offensive players drafted in the 1st round -- heck, the first half of the 1st round?!? I'm not making excuses for our defense, which needs to get better, right away, but it's not like we were defending against the Little Sisters of the Poor last season. Some of our conference opponents had great offenses that were going to run up a ton of yards and score a ton of points on most teams.

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4 teams scored 50 or more on us: UW, Oregon, Oregon State and USC. For UW and Oregon, it was their season high, the most they scored on anyone all season, even their D2 opponents. For USC and OSU, it was the second most points they scored, second only to the amount they scored on Stanford.

So yes, we played good offenses, but we (or Stanford) were the worst defense they played.

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Why i lack faith in jw

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A defense-minded coach who has had horrible offenses and now increasingly, equally bad defenses but our incompetent AD extended through year 11.

Hopefully year 8 is different. We need to make a splash in the ACC.

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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How so? Everyone knows RBs rarely get drafted high. Everyone also knows RBs have short careers. If I was a RB considering whether to go early or not, would I think I'd have a better chance to go higher the next year? When I'm older, have more wear and tear, and will have had to spent a year avoiding serious injury? Get paid when you can. Running backs should always go early when they can.

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College programs aren't running 1980s offenses anymore...these guys are coming out of college pretty healthy with low amounts of carries. Other than Wisconsin/Iowa, I can't think of power 5 teams that run the ball more than they pass. This is also translating into the NFL which is why NFL teams aren't drafting many RBs too and they stay healthier giving them longer careers, which in terms makes less available openings.

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You side stepped the most important question. Why would waiting a year help my draft stock? And even though I mostly agree with the statements you make, you also avoided my point about the risk of injury. Every carry, in game or practice, runs the risk of serious injury. And you also avoided my point that every year they age is likely one year fewer they get in the NFL on the backend.

NIL obviously changes this calculus a bit. If a RB is making more in college as he would in the NFL, staying makes sense. I suspect that is true for very few players, though.

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calumnus said:

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AunBear89 said:

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You will have to excuse 003. He reflexively defends the indefensible.

He thinks it makes him look edgy because he's a contrarian.

You say the sky is blue, he'll tell you why it's really green, and why you're dumb for believing everything that tells you it's blue.

Let him play his little word games so he can pretend he's contributing to the discussion.

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I don't feel the efforts made by our football team, which went to a bowl game, were indefensible. Get a life.

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1st, that is a mischaracterization. Nothing I said was an attack on "the efforts of our team." I think you know that. If you want to defend my criticisms of the coaching, go for it. At least that would be honest.

Yes, on the positive side it was our best season since 2019. Ott lead the PAC-12 in rushing. We beat a horrible Stanford team for the Axe. We beat UCLA with Chip Kelly quiet quitting before he actually quit.

On the other hand….We came in 8th in the PAC-12. Wilcox's 7th straight finish in the bottom half of the conference in 7 tries. We again had a losing record. We had the #11 defense in conference thanks only to Stanford being the worst in the country. We made a bowl game despite not having a winning record thanks to schools above us declining. We then looked terrible losing in that bowl game.

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AunBear89 said:

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Reading comprehension fail.

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BearSD said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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How so? Everyone knows RBs rarely get drafted high. Everyone also knows RBs have short careers. If I was a RB considering whether to go early or not, would I think I'd have a better chance to go higher the next year? When I'm older, have more wear and tear, and will have had to spent a year avoiding serious injury? Get paid when you can. Running backs should always go early when they can.

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College programs aren't running 1980s offenses anymore...these guys are coming out of college pretty healthy with low amounts of carries. Other than Wisconsin/Iowa, I can't think of power 5 teams that run the ball more than they pass. This is also translating into the NFL which is why NFL teams aren't drafting many RBs too and they stay healthier giving them longer careers, which in terms makes less available openings.

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You side stepped the most important question. Why would waiting a year help my draft stock? And even though I mostly agree with the statements you make, you also avoided my point about the risk of injury. Every carry, in game or practice, runs the risk of serious injury. And you also avoided my point that every year they age is likely one year fewer they get in the NFL on the backend.

NIL obviously changes this calculus a bit. If a RB is making more in college as he would in the NFL, staying makes sense. I suspect that is true for very few players, though.

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The NFL minimum salary for rookies is $750,000, and that minimum applies to undrafted free agents. Any player who is drafted gets more. The last pick in the last round (7th) gets a four-year deal that averages over $1 million per year.

So, yeah, any RB that makes an NFL roster is almost certainly making more than he could make by playing college ball for an extra year and risking an injury that could keep him from ever making an NFL roster.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Or stay on a team that pays better.

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Your pay is determined by your draft position...not a lot of wiggle room.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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BearSD said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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GMP said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Should be a warning to Running Backs thinking of going early in the NFL draft. 3 Rounds and 2 RBs.

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How so? Everyone knows RBs rarely get drafted high. Everyone also knows RBs have short careers. If I was a RB considering whether to go early or not, would I think I'd have a better chance to go higher the next year? When I'm older, have more wear and tear, and will have had to spent a year avoiding serious injury? Get paid when you can. Running backs should always go early when they can.

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College programs aren't running 1980s offenses anymore...these guys are coming out of college pretty healthy with low amounts of carries. Other than Wisconsin/Iowa, I can't think of power 5 teams that run the ball more than they pass. This is also translating into the NFL which is why NFL teams aren't drafting many RBs too and they stay healthier giving them longer careers, which in terms makes less available openings.

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You side stepped the most important question. Why would waiting a year help my draft stock? And even though I mostly agree with the statements you make, you also avoided my point about the risk of injury. Every carry, in game or practice, runs the risk of serious injury. And you also avoided my point that every year they age is likely one year fewer they get in the NFL on the backend.

NIL obviously changes this calculus a bit. If a RB is making more in college as he would in the NFL, staying makes sense. I suspect that is true for very few players, though.

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The NFL minimum salary for rookies is $750,000, and that minimum applies to undrafted free agents. Any player who is drafted gets more. The last pick in the last round (7th) gets a four-year deal that averages over $1 million per year.

So, yeah, any RB that makes an NFL roster is almost certainly making more than he could make by playing college ball for an extra year and risking an injury that could keep him from ever making an NFL roster.

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Being UDFA vs being 7th Rounder. What's better? Well the UDFA can pick a team that's not as strong at his position, whereas a 7th rounder is at the mercy of whatever team picked him. Either way their best chance is usually sticking on the practice squad which makes about $12.5k/week. Which is a nice job, but you can only be on practice squads for 2 years so it's not long term.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-practice-squad-salary-eligibility-rules-2023/vuvavtn3mbkq68spwkb5k8pz

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WalterSobchak said:

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calumnus said:

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We beat UCLA with Chip Kelly quiet quitting before he actually quit.

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Kelly coached Ucla to a dominating win over USC the week before we beat them and a sizeable win over Boise in the LA Bowl in their next game after they lost big to us. Cal was simply better than Ucla last year and definitely wanted it more that night in Pasadena.

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StillNoStanfurdium said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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calumnus said:

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We beat UCLA with Chip Kelly quiet quitting before he actually quit.

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Kelly coached Ucla to a dominating win over USC the week before we beat them and a sizeable win over Boise in the LA Bowl in their next game after they lost big to us. Cal was simply better than Ucla last year and definitely wanted it more that night in Pasadena.

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It's also worth noting that UCLA beat USC & Boise State with Ethan Garbers at QB and he got injured early against us which led to Dante Moore coming in and getting absolutely overwhelmed. Moore, I believe, absolutely basically gave up mid-way through the game as is evidenced by the crushing sack/fumble that Reese caused. https://www.tiktok.com/@espn/video/7305635636927614250

Have NEVER seen a QB stay so still before getting sacked.

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Logy said:

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All of these highly touted Pac quarterbacks and nobody in the national media wants to mention that Goff was better.

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