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Also, how could we have forgotten Tom Holmoe's parting gift to us, a 20-10 win at Rutgers?

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

gardenstatebear said:

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sycasey said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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It was played late due to 911. Cal was scheduled to play Rutgers the following week. It was rescheduled as the last game of the year.

mbBear said:

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gardenstatebear said:

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sycasey said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

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Of course! I'm embarrassed to have forgotten that.

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Those of you who visit Pittsburgh for the game may be surprised by how nice a city it is and how unpretentious the people are. The campus and neighborhood around it are also nice -- one wall of the law school is the left field wall at Forbes Field that Bill Mazeroski homered over to win the 1960 World Series.

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that's why I'm looking forward to it. I've always rooted for Pitt.

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Mark May, a Pitt alum and ESPN host never had nice comments but alway disparaging remarks about CAL. I hated pitt.

When Pitt had a real on campus stadium, its architecture and position would have reminded many of CMS. It had arches, and tunnels, and one side of the stadium was built into the land much like CMS. It is an absolute shame Pitt lost that.

The city has some really great architecture, and it will remind some of San Francisco in that way, and also in the fact it is a "neighborhood" centric city. I had a former teammate who played at Pitt and just loved it. Another close friend who could never stop talking about Pittsburgh.

I'd like to go, but am going to have to wait for the next road trip due to heavy travel this fall. But next to Tennessee, Texas and Idaho, Pittsburgh is on my list of possible retirement destinations.

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My main concern with the Pitt game will be the players remembering which team is in blue and which team is in gold.

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Unless the players are confused that it's the Joe Roth unis, they are not the same colors. It's like us playing San Jose State.

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sycasey said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Boller needs to thank Teddy for allowing him to make millions, play in the NFL and date super models. He was going nowhere with Holmoe.

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gardenstatebear said:

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sycasey said:

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Also, how could we have forgotten Tom Holmoe's parting gift to us, a 20-10 win at Rutgers?

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Boller needs to thank Teddy for allowing him to make millions, play in the NFL and date super models. He was going nowhere with Holmoe.

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My (often errant) memory tells me that Tedford used checkers to help Boller learn how to work through progressions. Before then, Boller's didn't have the playmaking ability to go with his big arm.

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01Bear said:

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My main concern with the Pitt game will be the players remembering which team is in blue and which team is in gold.

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Unless the players are confused that it's the Joe Roth unis, they are not the same colors. It's like us playing San Jose State.

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I do really like the Joe Roth uniforms. They're actually my favorites.

In any case, dies this mean Pitt's QBs won't accidentally throw some passes to our defenders? Dang it!

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cal83dls79 said:

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gardenstatebear said:

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Those of you who visit Pittsburgh for the game may be surprised by how nice a city it is and how unpretentious the people are. The campus and neighborhood around it are also nice -- one wall of the law school is the left field wall at Forbes Field that Bill Mazeroski homered over to win the 1960 World Series.

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that's why I'm looking forward to it. I've always rooted for Pitt.

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Mark May, a Pitt alum and ESPN host never had nice comments but alway disparaging remarks about CAL. I hated pitt.

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so I take it you will be watching on tv with a mark May voodoo doll handy

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gardenstatebear said:

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sycasey said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Boller needs to thank Teddy for allowing him to make millions, play in the NFL and date super models. He was going nowhere with Holmoe.

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My (often errant) memory tells me that Tedford used checkers to help Boller learn how to work through progressions. Before then, Boller's didn't have the playmaking ability to go with his big arm.

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he turned out to be quite a successful commercial real estate broker ..which may be consistent with the checkers analogy on second thought.
But this was a thread originally about going to the Pitt game

gardenstatebear said:

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gardenstatebear said:

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sycasey said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Boller needs to thank Teddy for allowing him to make millions, play in the NFL and date super models. He was going nowhere with Holmoe.

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My (often errant) memory tells me that Tedford used checkers to help Boller learn how to work through progressions. Before then, Boller's didn't have the playmaking ability to go with his big arm.

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I recall that Boller, like Sam Jackson V, didn't play QB on his HS team until his senior year, so it's doubtful that Tedford or anybody else could have made him productive his first or even second year. If Cal had been any good at all, they could have afforded to redshirt Boller, but Holmoe rushed him in pretty early his first season. I don't know who the QB coach was back then, but Tedford definitely made a huge difference for Boller when he finally arrived.

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gardenstatebear said:

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gardenstatebear said:

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Also, how could we have forgotten Tom Holmoe's parting gift to us, a 20-10 win at Rutgers?

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Boller needs to thank Teddy for allowing him to make millions, play in the NFL and date super models. He was going nowhere with Holmoe.

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My (often errant) memory tells me that Tedford used checkers to help Boller learn how to work through progressions. Before then, Boller's didn't have the playmaking ability to go with his big arm.

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I recall that Boller, like Sam Jackson V, didn't play QB on his HS team until his senior year, so it's doubtful that Tedford or anybody else could have made him productive his first or even second year. If Cal had been any good at all, they could have afforded to redshirt Boller, but Holmoe rushed him in pretty early his first season. I don't know who the QB coach was back then, but Tedford definitely made a huge difference for Boller when he finally arrived.

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apparently you won't be attending the Pitt game? How this got to Boller…

What is the most popular local beer?

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What is the most popular local beer?

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I spent two days in Pittsburgh a couple years ago. There seem to be two main beer companies, Yeungling and Rolling Rock. Yeungling makes several different styles and I tried every single one of them. Most of you have tried Rolling Rock. I think they only make one style, an American lager. I had tried it here in CA 20 years ago and noticed after returning from Pittsburgh that they don't sell it in any of my local grocery stores any more. I have no idea how long they stopped selling it here. And that's all I have to say about the beer. I think people should temper their expectations about the beer, the wine and the restaurants in Pittsburgh. I could elaborate if you want but everyone should just go to the game, try the local stuff (pierogis anyone?), and have a good time.

Iron City beer is always the correct answer here

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Gobears49 said:

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What is the most popular local beer?

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I spent two days in Pittsburgh a couple years ago. There seem to be two main beer companies, Yeungling and Rolling Rock. Yeungling makes several different styles and I tried every single one of them. Most of you have tried Rolling Rock. I think they only make one style, an American lager. I had tried it here in CA 20 years ago and noticed after returning from Pittsburgh that they don't sell it in any of my local grocery stores any more. I have no idea how long they stopped selling it here. And that's all I have to say about the beer. I think people should temper their expectations about the beer, the wine and the restaurants in Pittsburgh. I could elaborate if you want but everyone should just go to the game, try the local stuff (pierogis anyone?), and have a good time.

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For background: Yuengling's roots are in Eastern Pa...they are located outside of Philadelphia.

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What is the most popular local beer?

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I spent two days in Pittsburgh a couple years ago. . . . I think people should temper their expectations about the beer, the wine and the restaurants in Pittsburgh. I could elaborate if you want but everyone should just go to the game, try the local stuff (pierogis anyone?), and have a good time.

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I haven't been in Pittsburgh for a long tie, but this strikes me as an accurate depiction. It has come a long way since the steel making days; the people are very friendly and unpretentious; at the same time, it is not a swinging hotspot. If you visit, you will enjoy the experience. I hope many Bears come!!

A couple of local restaurant lists:

https://www.eater.com/maps/best-pittsburgh-restaurants

https://www.discovertheburgh.com/best-restaurants-in-pittsburgh/

https://goodfoodpittsburgh.com/10-hidden-gem-restaurants-in-pittsburgh-you-must-try/

This looks good for Sunday brunch:



https://www.grandconcourserestaurant.com/menus/#sunday-buffet-brunch

Those are the kinds of places that are hard to come by in CA:

https://www.huszarpittsburgh.com/
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/huszar-pittsburgh

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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The game was played late because of 9-11 (2001)

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gardenstatebear said:

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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The game was played late because of 9-11 (2001)

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Yes ..we already had this correction, and a more than needed mea culpa...

SBGold said:

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Iron City beer is always the correct answer here

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Yep, forgot about that one. My memory sucks but in my defense it was unremarkable beer.

I do remember a travel tip for those of you flying out to the game. As of a couple of years ago, none of the car rental counters at PIT were open past 6PM local time except National. That might have been an artifact of the pandemic turning the world upside down but I recommend checking closing times before reserving a car.

If you have time, you might consider driving across the state to Philly and flying home from there. It's quite a pretty state, with rolling, wooded hills most of the way. The leaves are probably beautiful in October. Fallingwater (reservations a must), 9/11 Memorial, Gettysburg (you need a full day; tour guide a must), Valley Forge, and Amish country are some worthwhile stops along the way. And of course Philly is loaded with sights especially for the historically inclined. Stop for a hoagie at a Sheetz gas station in Western PA, and a Wawa gas station in Eastern PA. In PA the gas stations seem to be more than a place to fill up the car.

FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Iron City beer is always the correct answer here

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Yep, forgot about that one. My memory sucks but in my defense it was unremarkable beer.

I do remember a travel tip for those of you flying out to the game. As of a couple of years ago, none of the car rental counters at PIT were open past 6PM local time except National. That might have been an artifact of the pandemic turning the world upside down but I recommend checking closing times before reserving a car.

If you have time, you might consider driving across the state to Philly and flying home from there. It's quite a pretty state, with rolling, wooded hills most of the way. The leaves are probably beautiful in October. Fallingwater (reservations a must), 9/11 Memorial, Gettysburg (you need a full day; tour guide a must), Valley Forge, and Amish country are some worthwhile stops along the way. And of course Philly is loaded with sights especially for the historically inclined. Stop for a hoagie at a Sheetz gas station in Western PA, and a Wawa gas station in Eastern PA. In PA the gas stations seem to be more than a place to fill up the car.

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Most of the Wawas in Eastern Pa are stand alone stores, especially if you are close to Philly... Some newer ones are gas stations..
Same in New Jersey.
Wawa is superior to Sheetz ...I am required to say that as a former Philly resident, and still in the middle of Wawa country being in New Jersey!!
The flights from Philly should be a better price than flying out of Pittsburgh if you follow this fine suggestion...

FuzzyWuzzy said:

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Iron City beer is always the correct answer here

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Yep, forgot about that one. My memory sucks but in my defense it was unremarkable beer.

I do remember a travel tip for those of you flying out to the game. As of a couple of years ago, none of the car rental counters at PIT were open past 6PM local time except National. That might have been an artifact of the pandemic turning the world upside down but I recommend checking closing times before reserving a car.

If you have time, you might consider driving across the state to Philly and flying home from there. It's quite a pretty state, with rolling, wooded hills most of the way. The leaves are probably beautiful in October. Fallingwater (reservations a must), 9/11 Memorial, Gettysburg (you need a full day; tour guide a must), Valley Forge, and Amish country are some worthwhile stops along the way. And of course Philly is loaded with sights especially for the historically inclined. Stop for a hoagie at a Sheetz gas station in Western PA, and a Wawa gas station in Eastern PA. In PA the gas stations seem to be more than a place to fill up the car.

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As a resident of the Philadelphia area, I heartily endorse the idea of anyone visiting here. Be aware, though, that it is about a 300 mile drive from Pittsburgh and that the road is the Pennsylvania Turnpike which, although part of the interstate highway system, is an old road that has not been completely updated. Also be aware that you will need to drive the Schuylkill (locally called the Sure-Kill) Expressway to get from the Turnpike to Center City Philadelphia. BTW, I wouldn't be so sure about the leaves -- the hot summer may delay their falling and mess up their color as it did last year.

^I was going to post that the drive from Pittsburgh to Philly was going to be pretty long for a short trip there, around 5 hours according to the maps.

As to the leaves, Pittsburgh climate runs a bit colder than Philadelphia. last time I checked the game date falls early in foliage season, according to last year's foliage schedule.

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^I was going to post that the drive from Pittsburgh to Philly was going to be pretty long for a short trip there, around 5 hours according to the maps.

As to the leaves, Pittsburgh climate runs a bit colder than Philadelphia. last time I checked the game date falls early in foliage season, according to last year's foliage schedule.

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From Pittsburg:
Philadelphia 5 hrs
DC 4hrs
Baltimore 4 hrs
Cleveland 2 hrs
Canton 2 hrs

Hi all, Pitt alumni here and previous resident of San Francisco who attended a few Cal games when I lived out there. I'm currently live in DC but I am at all the Pitt games.

Hope you all come out. Couple of things to comment on in this thread.

1. Yes, Pitt's old on campus stadium was almost an exact duplicate of CMS...right down to Pitt's Cathedral of Learning peaking over the lip of the stadium like Sather Tower does. If they ever filmed a move about, say, Mike Ditka or Tony Dorsett or Dan Marino, they'd film it at CMS. But, it had to go for multiple reasons. Pitt's campus is very urban...not really anything like Cal's. The entire Oakland neighborhood campus is on less than 180 acres and it is bisected by two major roads and has the largest medical center in Pennsylvania crammed against it on one side and Carnegie Mellon University on the other. There are actually 6 universities within a 3 mile radius: Pitt, CMU, Carlow, Chatham, Duquesne, and Point Park.

2. Acrisure Stadium is a much more fan-friendly stadium and light years better for tailgating than the former Pitt Stadium was. It is about 3 miles from campus with shuttles running from the campus and pretty easy other public transportation. The atmosphere does struggle when Pitt is struggling, But should have 40-50K depending on how Pitt is doing, weather, and opponent.

You can see an overview of the facilities and campus here: https://csnbbs.com/thread-564078.html. (please note, the section on places to eat around campus is outdated: COVID took a lot of them out). But if you are checking out the campus, the Cathedral of Learning and its nationality rooms are a must do. The city's main museums, the Carnegie museums (no relation to Carnegie Mellon University) of art and natural history, are also directly across the street from it.

3. Beer. Traditionally, it's an Iron City town. Honestly, it sucks unless you like Budweiser type pilsners. I personally don't know anyone that actually drinks it, but someone must because it is on tap everywhere. Rolling Rock is a watery mess and not brewed in Western PA anymore (was sold to Anheuser-Busch). Yeungling is on tap at every bar. It is a ubiquitous, cheap lager brewed in the east of the state and is actually still family owned and is America's oldest brewery (founded in 1812).

But there are MUCH better beers than these in Pittsburgh, that are actually brewed in and around Pittsburgh. Start with Penn Brewery, a German-style craft brewer that existed long before craft beer was a thing. But like every other city, craft brewing and distilling has exploded in the city. Heck, just go to these links: https://pittsburghbreweries.com/ and https://www.discovertheburgh.com/pittsburgh-distilleries/

4. Food. I'm not going to BS you, SF was the best food city I've ever lived in, so don't expect Pittsburgh to match that. But Pittsburgh has some really good places to eat, don't get me wrong. The city's heritage is one of migrants coming int to take mill jobs in the 19th and early 20th century, so you have a heavy influence of eastern europeans (e.g., Polish). Definitely a pierogi town, and the Pirates have racing pierogi mascots.

Every city has their signature sandwich, and Pittsburgh's is a Primanti's. Is it my favorite? No, give me a philly cheese steak any day, but they are okay and you should try one at least once...and yes, it has fries and its own type of coleslaw on it. So you want to have a lunch like someone from the 'burgh, grab an Iron and a Primanti's.

BTW, the photo above of the Grand Concourse's Sunday Brunch...highly recommend it. Get reservations. Also for breakfast, try to hit up Pamela's (there is one on Pitt's campus), just be prepared for lines that stretch outside.

Otherwise, yelp is your friend like anywhere else depending on the type of food you are looking for.

5. Flying into or out of Philly. That is insane unless you want to spend extra days touring different parts of the state. I say that and I also lived years in Philly and drove to Pittsburgh for games all the time. The Pennsylvania turnpike... is terrible. There are actually a ton of things to do in and around Pittsburgh to fill up more than a weekend (see the above link) or the visit Pittsburgh website. DC or Baltimore would be easier to fly in and out of than Philly if you want to avoid the Pittsburgh airport for some reason (and you can take the historic Lincoln Highway a chunk of the way), but I'm not sure what reason there would be to avoid the airport unless there is a cost issue. I've never flown into Cleveland so can't comment on that. In any case, when coming in to the city from the Pittsburgh airport, you'll drive through the Fort Pitt tunnels...when you hit the tunnels, pay attention and you'll see why they say Pittsburgh is the only city with an entrance.

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

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Of course! I'm embarrassed to have forgotten that.

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You said you'd never forget.

Thank you. Very helpful. I'll be driving from southern Maine

I just booked my flight and lodging.
If there is a get-togther p[lanned, please post info on this thread.

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Yes, going back many, many years. Last time I was in the area, the waitress referred to it as "IC", which almost caught me by surprise, but I quickly caught on (that's the Cal grad in me!). Funny, that was over 20 years ago and I remember the Iron City = IC, but I have no recollection of what the beer was like (but I'm assuming it's a "generic domestic".

"I.C." is the light beer as in "I.C. Light." The regular calorie beer would only be referred to as Iron City or an Iron. I've never heard anyone call Iron City just as "IC" before.

Here's a famous...err maybe infamous...Iron City commercial from back in the...I think 90s...maybe 80s.


Also notice the Yinzer accent. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Pennsylvania_English

BTW, if you want any suggestions from people that still live in the 'Burgh, the free active message board for Pitt is the "Football Board" at Panther-lair.com on the Rivals network. Just be warned, as with an open free message board, there can be some ...what we call in Pittsburgh...jagoffs... on that board, but also some great posters too.

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

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Of course! I'm embarrassed to have forgotten that.

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You said you'd never forget.

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There's an obvious difference between forgetting about 9/11 (which, I assure you, I have not and never will) and forgetting why that particular game was postponed -- I couldn't remember the year precisely and was thinking that the postponement might have been because of Superstorm Sandy, which disrupted things in New Jersey to say the least.. (You may remember that Cal had a game some years before that was postponed by a hurricane.

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

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Of course! I'm embarrassed to have forgotten that.

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You said you'd never forget.

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There's an obvious difference between forgetting about 9/11 (which, I assure you, I have not and never will) and forgetting why that particular game was postponed -- I couldn't remember the year precisely and was thinking that the postponement might have been because of Superstorm Sandy, which disrupted things in New Jersey to say the least.. (You may remember that Cal had a game some years before that was postponed by a hurricane.

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Forgetting something momentarily or having a brief mix up on years on a fan board doesn't even register as a reflection on you in my opinion.
There are enough BS posts and threads to completely overshadowed this!
Besides, we are from Jersey...
F everyone!

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I was there! It was our only win of the year -- it was played late because of Super Storm Sandy (I think).. Kyle Boller was then a junior. A Rutgers fan turned to me and said, "is he a senior?" "No, I said. "He could turn into a helluva quarterback!," the Rutgers fan said. And indeed Jeff Tedfor turned Boller into just that.

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Moved because of 9/11

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Of course! I'm embarrassed to have forgotten that.

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You said you'd never forget.

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There's an obvious difference between forgetting about 9/11 (which, I assure you, I have not and never will) and forgetting why that particular game was postponed -- I couldn't remember the year precisely and was thinking that the postponement might have been because of Superstorm Sandy, which disrupted things in New Jersey to say the least.. (You may remember that Cal had a game some years before that was postponed by a hurricane.

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Forgetting something momentarily or having a brief mix up on years on a fan board doesn't even register as a reflection on you in my opinion.
There are enough BS posts and threads to completely overshadowed this!
Besides, we are from Jersey...
F everyone!

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I'm glad you're not trying to reflect on me, and I'm glad to have your support as a fellow resident of the Garden State. (BTW, I hope you agree that there's a lot more to Jersey than the view from the New Jersey Turnpike Turnpike on the way from Newark Airport to NYC).