Anarchistbear said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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TexanMark said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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Making the trek out to Pittsburgh. Have heard it's a pretty underrated and cool city to visit

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Pittsburgh is an absolute midwest ****hole. The 20 story buildings next to their city center municipal courthouse area are abandoned with broken boarded up windows. Coming out of the tunnel to the 3 rivers is cool, but then you enter Pittsburgh.

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When I tailgate I always set up downtown near the city municipal center. Sigh

Pittsburgh is reinventing itself after the steel industry collapse. Do some research and you'll find some cool areas near the stadium to keep you busy for a 3 or 4 day trip to see Cal play.

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I spent several weekends working there, walking almost everywhere. It was an ugly ass, dirty, depressing place. Perhaps that's just the midwest. Milwaukee was the same. When the highlight of an entire city is the sportsball stadium, well, again, perhaps thats the big midwest cities. (The Brewers stadium, whatever its branded, is super cool and then you leave and you're in Milwaukee again).

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The area of Milwaukee by the lake is quite cool and walkable, good breweries, restaurants

Pittsburgh is lively, full of interesting ethic neighborhood, great museums and food

Perhaps living in a boring, cultural s$ithole like Oregon has not prepared you well for anything but chain saw accidents

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Oregon is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Museums are great; you don't live in a museum. Also, get this, Portland is also a ****hole.

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Making the trek out to Pittsburgh. Have heard it's a pretty underrated and cool city to visit

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Pittsburgh is an underrated city, especially if you like bridges. In every disucssion I have seen of ACC away trips people like the city, but consider it is a crap venue for college football (small crowd in large NFL stadium, etc.).

Going to Auburn, FSU and Wake (with trip to Asheville).

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Most of Oregon is fairly conservative. Portland is an outlier but has the largest population. Saying that, outside of Portland there's not a lot of political fervor in Oregon. The east side of the state is pretty laid back. I live in Redmond which is just north of Bend. Bend is slightly left politically but you wouldn't know it just by driving around. Nobody here really spends their time hunting for political arguments. I just wish people would stop moving to central oregon. Bend's growth is going nuts and it's effecting Redmond now. It's not just Californians moving here but a lot of Portlanders escaping too hah. Most people that move out here like the quiet lifestyle. People are fleeing the big cities in droves it feels like. I remember living in Vacaville as a kid when it was about 10k pop. in the 80s, then the 2000s hit and it grew to over 100k seemingly overnight. That's what it feels like is happening to the Bend/Redmond area right now. Redmond is building tons of apartment complexes right now which is great if you're a builder, not that great if you live here.

Anyway back to the topic lol. I don't think I'll make any east coast trips this year. Will definitely see the bears when they play in Corvallis. Possibly might make a trip to Syracuse next year to watch them play if I go visit a buddy of mine who lives in Long Island but that's not for sure plan atm. Out of all the trips, I'd probably enjoy going to watch them play at Clemson whenever that is, I always did want to visit South Carolina.

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Going to the Clemson-Furd game. Staying in Atlanta, and visiting relatives. Will report back about the game experience. Supposed to be a very southern hospitality experience. Game likely is a blow-out .

Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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What is your opinion of Tannat? It seems to be a big bold red that can handle wet climates (from France but became the national grape of Uruguay). Being grown in Virginia and Texas (as well as Lodi and Pase Robles). I haven't tasted but sounds a lot like a Zin in character.

calumnus said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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What is your opinion of Tannat? It seems to be a big bold red that can handle wet climates (from France but became the national grape of Uruguay). Being grown in Virginia and Texas (as well as Lodi and Pase Robles). I haven't tasted but sounds a lot like a Zin in character.

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That sounds fantastic! Have never tried it but will make a point to. If it's successful coming out of Virginia that would really be something. I suppose there are genetic engineering phenomena that are making anything possible anywhere, these days, too. Hadn't thought about that possibility as well, but that feels like cheating, too. A varietal that naturally stands up to harsh weather would really be a winner.

wifeisafurd said:

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Most of Oregon is fairly conservative. Portland is an outlier but has the largest population. Saying that, outside of Portland there's not a lot of political fervor in Oregon. The east side of the state is pretty laid back. I live in Redmond which is just north of Bend. Bend is slightly left politically but you wouldn't know it just by driving around. Nobody here really spends their time hunting for political arguments. I just wish people would stop moving to central oregon. Bend's growth is going nuts and it's effecting Redmond now. It's not just Californians moving here but a lot of Portlanders escaping too hah. Most people that move out here like the quiet lifestyle. People are fleeing the big cities in droves it feels like. I remember living in Vacaville as a kid when it was about 10k pop. in the 80s, then the 2000s hit and it grew to over 100k seemingly overnight. That's what it feels like is happening to the Bend/Redmond area right now. Redmond is building tons of apartment complexes right now which is great if you're a builder, not that great if you live here.

Anyway back to the topic lol. I don't think I'll make any east coast trips this year. Will definitely see the bears when they play in Corvallis. Possibly might make a trip to Syracuse next year to watch them play if I go visit a buddy of mine who lives in Long Island but that's not for sure plan atm. Out of all the trips, I'd probably enjoy going to watch them play at Clemson whenever that is, I always did want to visit South Carolina.

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Going to the Clemson-Furd game. Staying in Atlanta, and visiting relatives. Will report back about the game experience. Supposed to be a very southern hospitality experience. Game likely is a blow-out .

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Remind them about the '91 Citrus Bowl!

(wow, 33 years since then... our great moments are few and far between... of course, that's about to change)

bearsandgiants said:

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calumnus said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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What is your opinion of Tannat? It seems to be a big bold red that can handle wet climates (from France but became the national grape of Uruguay). Being grown in Virginia and Texas (as well as Lodi and Pase Robles). I haven't tasted but sounds a lot like a Zin in character.

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That sounds fantastic! Have never tried it but will make a point to. If it's successful coming out of Virginia that would really be something. I suppose there are genetic engineering phenomena that are making anything possible anywhere, these days, too. Hadn't thought about that possibility as well, but that feels like cheating, too. A varietal that naturally stands up to harsh weather would really be a winner.

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No genetic engineering, just has naturally really thick skin, making it mold and cold resistant, sheds water (so good in rainy, humid weather), is really high in antioxidants, big fruit, but it has a lot of tannins so it either needs to be blended, aged or, in a new process, oxygenated.

Like Zin or Malbec, sounds like it would go good with BBQ.

Has a Cal connection too as the first US planting was in the 1800s by Prof. Hilgard in the Berkeley campus garden:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannat

bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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Oregon Pinot Noirs absolutely crush the watery fake Cali crap.

ducktilldeath said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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Oregon Pinot Noirs absolutely crush the watery fake Cali crap.

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You got it backwards:

" In the wines, this mild climate makes Oregon Pinots lighter in color, and more delicate in structure. California Pinots, which ripen easily thanks to California's constant sunshine, tend to be darker and more purple in color (think about someone who lives by the beach vs. someone who just vacations there), and have riper, darker fruit flavors as a result."

https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/pinot-noir-reveals-the-differences-between-oregon-and-california-climates/#:~:text=In%20the%20wines%2C%20this%20mild,lives%20by%20the%20beach%20vs.

calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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Oregon Pinot Noirs absolutely crush the watery fake Cali crap.

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You got it backwards:

" In the wines, this mild climate makes Oregon Pinots lighter in color, and more delicate in structure. California Pinots, which ripen easily thanks to California's constant sunshine, tend to be darker and more purple in color (think about someone who lives by the beach vs. someone who just vacations there), and have riper, darker fruit flavors as a result."

https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/pinot-noir-reveals-the-differences-between-oregon-and-california-climates/#:~:text=In%20the%20wines%2C%20this%20mild,lives%20by%20the%20beach%20vs.

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I've never experienced that, ever. Oregon BY FAR makes the most similar French PN

ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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Oregon Pinot Noirs absolutely crush the watery fake Cali crap.

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You got it backwards:

" In the wines, this mild climate makes Oregon Pinots lighter in color, and more delicate in structure. California Pinots, which ripen easily thanks to California's constant sunshine, tend to be darker and more purple in color (think about someone who lives by the beach vs. someone who just vacations there), and have riper, darker fruit flavors as a result."

https://vinepair.com/wine-blog/pinot-noir-reveals-the-differences-between-oregon-and-california-climates/#:~:text=In%20the%20wines%2C%20this%20mild,lives%20by%20the%20beach%20vs.

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I've never experienced that, ever. Oregon BY FAR makes the most similar French PN

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Sure more "similar to French Pinot Noir" (due to climate) but that is opposite of what you first wrote because Oregon Pinot is, as explained in the above article, more pale and "watery" than California Pinot due to less sunlight. The article explains it and gives some good examples of both. Just depends on your preference. Pale and watery "delicate" Pinots <are> more similar to French Pinots and (like white wines) go great with the delicate flavors of French food. In California we tend to go for bolder flavors which I enjoy with big bold reds, but there are California vintners (especially in Sonoma) producing great Pinots in the lighter French style too and California regularly beats Oregon in international competitions.

Really, trying to tout Oregon over California in wine is like touting Oregon over California in movie production or Mexican food (any cuisine really) or technology or weather or beaches or trees or mountains or Nobel Prizes, or Gold Medals or…. I mean, this is a football board and you have a better football program right now so why not just stick with that?

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Seriously thinking about Pittsburgh. My dad grew up about 30 miles away and so I would be taking my kids on sort of a "finding your roots" trip (plus Cal Football!). Will depend on how it looks in terms of their classes and sports.

A Cal friend of mine is moving to Tallahassee in a few weeks, but that trip for me might have to wait until next time... if there is a next time.

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Ya gotta do The Family History trips. Go for it.

2024 OOC:
UCDavis
@Auburn
SDSU
Oregon St.

Accuracy of the OCC games is not confirmed, per differing sources.


2025 OOC:
@Oregon St
UNLV
@SDSU
Minnesota




2026 OOC:
UCLA
UNLV
(The @Florida was canceled when we joined ACC to limit travel.)



2027 OOC:
@UCLA
(The Florida series was canceled when we joined ACC to limit travel.)




2028 OOC:
UCLA
@Minnesota




2029 OOC:
@UCLA
Wisconsin
@Wyoming




2030 OOC:
@Wisconsin

I think the only games I'd want to travel to are Boston and Dallas, as the only places where I have family.

How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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Big House. Hands down.

bearsandgiants said:

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concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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Big House. Hands down.

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Agreed. I got an MBA from UM 45 years ago - lived on S Main about four blocks from the stadium. Ann Arbor in autumn is stunning - trees changing color, humidity gone, crisp days with the occasional warm one. Five-mile runs through the Arboretum and along the Huron river. The emphasis on UM football was a bit stifling (certainly by Cal standards) if you lived in it, but great on a Football Saturday. Like Berkeley, I'm sure it's changed a lot since then, but it was a real college town. All that being said, Ann Arbor winters were too rough for this Bay Area kid. As soon as I got my degree, I got my @ss back to California.

concordtom said:

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Accuracy of the OCC games is not confirmed, per differing sources.


2025 OOC:
@Oregon St
UNLV
@SDSU
Minnesota

2026 OOC:
UCLA
UNLV
(The @Florida was canceled when we joined ACC to limit travel.)

2027 OOC:
@UCLA
(The Florida series was canceled when we joined ACC to limit travel.)

2028 OOC:
UCLA
@Minnesota

2029 OOC:
@UCLA
Wisconsin
@Wyoming

2030 OOC:
@Wisconsin

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There isn't a game vs UNLV in 2025. It's likely the 4th noncon game that season will be a home game vs an FCS team.

Presumably the future scheduled series with Wyoming will be canceled.

I'll guess that 2026-27 will see a series vs one of the ex-Pac teams now in the Big 12, 2026 away and 2027 at home.

concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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This is a tough one depending on what you value in a road trip, for me it would be a balance between the football part and the things to do nearby. Overall, it would be hard to imagine an overall better itinerary than the Notre Dame/Chicago trip a couple years ago. It had it all, game in a famous venue against iconic program, Wrigley field, Lake Michigan, killer food and culture options in Chicago, decent weather in September, easy travel, etc. A Cal W was the only thing I didn't get but it was a trip my entire family will never forget. From a pure football experience, I would lean Michigan, Penn St, LSU just off the top of my head, but they aren't quite as compelling to me based on the surrounding area. LSU has NOLA close by but the weather of a theoretical Sept matchup would be at least a minor points deduction. Some actual matchups I am interested in the coming years are actually Syracuse (Niagara, Cooperstown), BC (never been to Boston and love history of that area), and VT (enter Sandman), but none of these are probably marquee opponents, although VT tends to overperform from time to time.

Auburn. Pitt and wake

concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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LSU
Bama
Virginia
Georgia
Michigan

Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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The Finger Lake Riesling's are excellent...some of the best in the world. The others probably will disappoint most west coast connoisseur.

Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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LSU
Bama
Virginia
Georgia
Michigan

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All I ever wanted was Pasadena on Jan 1.
I guess that will NEVER happen now.

concordtom said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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How about this:

What are your ideal TRAVEL schools.
If you could go to ANY away game, where would you most like to see Cal play, anywhere in the USA?

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LSU
Bama
Virginia
Georgia
Michigan

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All I ever wanted was Pasadena on Jan 1.
I guess that will NEVER happen now.

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Good, it's like going to Mecca, The Wailing Wall, Bethlehem or Tibet. You don't really go, it's a ploy to keep the faithful in line and humble

When I went to the Cal -- Texas game around 2015 I went to many great barbecues but also read, when I was there, that the Texas hill country an hour or so outside of Austin made some good wines. So I decided to visit there. California doesn't grow the grapes that make their wine, mostly. But they tasted pretty good. oo

Also, I should mention that eastern Washington grows some good wine grapes. A lot of it is shippped to corporate wine headquarters near Seattle to process the wine. My son went to Whitman college in southeastern Washington, a good school in a great tourist town, with several very nice winerie that make their wine there. There are direct flights from SFO into Pasco, an hour west of Walla Walla.

Just got my game tickets and Cal tailgate tickets for the Auburn game! Excited to take the family to this!

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wifeisafurd said:

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MinotStateBeav said:

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Most of Oregon is fairly conservative. Portland is an outlier but has the largest population. Saying that, outside of Portland there's not a lot of political fervor in Oregon. The east side of the state is pretty laid back. I live in Redmond which is just north of Bend. Bend is slightly left politically but you wouldn't know it just by driving around. Nobody here really spends their time hunting for political arguments. I just wish people would stop moving to central oregon. Bend's growth is going nuts and it's effecting Redmond now. It's not just Californians moving here but a lot of Portlanders escaping too hah. Most people that move out here like the quiet lifestyle. People are fleeing the big cities in droves it feels like. I remember living in Vacaville as a kid when it was about 10k pop. in the 80s, then the 2000s hit and it grew to over 100k seemingly overnight. That's what it feels like is happening to the Bend/Redmond area right now. Redmond is building tons of apartment complexes right now which is great if you're a builder, not that great if you live here.

Anyway back to the topic lol. I don't think I'll make any east coast trips this year. Will definitely see the bears when they play in Corvallis. Possibly might make a trip to Syracuse next year to watch them play if I go visit a buddy of mine who lives in Long Island but that's not for sure plan atm. Out of all the trips, I'd probably enjoy going to watch them play at Clemson whenever that is, I always did want to visit South Carolina.

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Going to the Clemson-Furd game. Staying in Atlanta, and visiting relatives. Will report back about the game experience. Supposed to be a very southern hospitality experience. Game likely is a blow-out .

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Remind them about the '91 Citrus Bowl!

(wow, 33 years since then... our great moments are few and far between... of course, that's about to change)

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Oh yes, Paws, Dawkins and White.

Very advance scouting since Cal doesn't play at Clemson until 2029 assuming both teams still are in the ACC. Clemson comes to Memorial in 2026.

ducktilldeath said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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Gobears49 said:

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TexanMark said:

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Syracuse to Long Island...is not an easy trip by car.

Syracuse things to do (all within about 2 hrs)

Cooperstown
Finger Lakes and wineries
1000 Islands
World Class Salmon Fishing
Casinos and golf
Niagara Falls
Canadian Border
Western Adirondack Mountains (err hills lol)

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How do Finger Lake wines compare to average California wines?

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Outside of California and the Pacific Northwest only passable wines are whites, imo. Red grapes suck up way too much water in every other region and it all tastes watered down. Nothing compares to CA in the US of A. You'll find some tasty whites in the finger lakes. Even in Ohio they make a few good ones. If you love reds tho, you'll be disappointed. There are some places that do good reds by importing their grapes from California, but that's cheating, imo.

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Oregon Pinot Noirs absolutely crush the watery fake Cali crap.

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The wife ships her Pinot down from Oregon. Not a wine drinker, but the wife thinks Oregon Pinots rock, so OSU next year is on the road trips. .

For those planning to go to Auburn or Florida State, watch the weather for hurricanes. I remember what happened due to a hurricane when we were supposed to play So. Miss. NO ROSE BOWL FOR US!

Chabbear said:

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For those planning to go to Auburn or Florida State, watch the weather for hurricanes. I remember what happened due to a hurricane when we were supposed to play So. Miss. NO ROSE BOWL FOR US!

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The run up for hurricanes is several days most of the time ("springing up in the gulf" is a different deal)....will have a better idea about whether there is a threat for Auburn by this time next week, but Tallahassee is too far off.
And just to emphasize: a hurricane can happen and easily not be in play for either city...