82gradDLSdad said:

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Strykur said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

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I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

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If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

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Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

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And what the **** does any of this have to do with us, TALENT IS NOT THE ISSUE

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Talent is always an issue. Good coaching can get you a winning record against peers (not just including the cupcakes). Coaching isn't the reason we've put less and less guys in the NFL.

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sycasey said:

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Perhaps the coaches did a good job coaching them up to make it close against top 10 team Miami and some of the other tough teams on our schedule?

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This kind of judgment needs to go both ways, though. It would also mean the coaches coached them DOWN to the level of losing to a team no one else has lost to (FSU).

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Yup. Unless they win the next two games, the only thing keeping Wilcox here should be the buyout. Personally, if they don't get 8 wins this year (including bowl game), Wilcox should be gone even with the buyout. The fans want more than mediocre seasons. I wonder if all the administration cares about is no controversies, the team goes to class (unlike at top programs), we having a winning or near winning record each year, and a winning record against stanfurd.

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Yeah, to me a Cal program in a good place would be getting around 8 wins per year (including bowl), with the higher-tide seasons being at 9 or 10 and the lower ebb at 6 or 7. Once in a while the stars would align and allow us to win the conference. I recognize that there are structural reasons why Cal will find it hard to be consistently at the top of a power league, but we should at least be regularly competitive.

Wilcox is simply not meeting that bar. With the exception of one season (five years ago), he's just sitting at the low ebb all the time. Cal has enough talent and donor support to do better than THAT.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

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I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

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If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

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Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

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Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

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I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

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If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

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Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

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Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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That rationalization is never going to get us anywhere, because there are football programs whose supporters donated generously when the team was mediocre or worse, and as a result their team doesn't suck anymore. Oregon football was in the same state at Cal when Phil Knight and others started making large donations. All of that donor money is why Oregon football is no longer in the same state as Cal football. At TCU, boosters raised $100 million starting when the team was 1-10 and the boosters didn't want to take it anymore.

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

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I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

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If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

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Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

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Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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That rationalization is never going to get us anywhere, because there are football programs whose supporters donated generously when the team was mediocre or worse, and as a result their team doesn't suck anymore. Oregon football was in the same state at Cal when Phil Knight and others started making large donations. All of that donor money is why Oregon football is no longer in the same state as Cal football. At TCU, boosters raised $100 million starting when the team was 1-10 and the boosters didn't want to take it anymore.

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The difference is at Oregon, for that money, they let Knight call the shots.

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BearSD said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

---

I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

---

But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

---

If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

---

Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

---

Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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That rationalization is never going to get us anywhere, because there are football programs whose supporters donated generously when the team was mediocre or worse, and as a result their team doesn't suck anymore. Oregon football was in the same state at Cal when Phil Knight and others started making large donations. All of that donor money is why Oregon football is no longer in the same state as Cal football. At TCU, boosters raised $100 million starting when the team was 1-10 and the boosters didn't want to take it anymore.

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The difference is at Oregon, for that money, they let Knight call the shots.

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I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of money that has to be donated for a donor to have that kind of influence. Knight has reportedly donated about $1 billion to Oregon (overall, not just athletics),

Stanford hired Jim Harbaugh at the insistence of John Arrillaga. The Arrillaga family donated $300 million to the university, according to Stanford.

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BearSD said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

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I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

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If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

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Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

---

Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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That rationalization is never going to get us anywhere, because there are football programs whose supporters donated generously when the team was mediocre or worse, and as a result their team doesn't suck anymore. Oregon football was in the same state at Cal when Phil Knight and others started making large donations. All of that donor money is why Oregon football is no longer in the same state as Cal football. At TCU, boosters raised $100 million starting when the team was 1-10 and the boosters didn't want to take it anymore.

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The difference is at Oregon, for that money, they let Knight call the shots.

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I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of money that has to be donated for a donor to have that kind of influence. Knight has reportedly donated about $1 billion to Oregon (overall, not just athletics),

Stanford hired Jim Harbaugh at the insistence of John Arrillaga. The Arrillaga family donated $300 million to the university, according to Stanford.

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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calumnus said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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BearSD said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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dimitrig said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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Notice Cignetti negotiated his contract extension before the tOSU game?

I have a sinking feeling that he might end up improving Indiana, but leaving them middling with a big buyout on his contract. Indiana AD would have been smarter to wait-and-see, at least after the tOSU game.

Watch him hit the recruiting glass ceiling when his grades and graduation rates plummet. Indiana has academic standards similar to Cal. I am pretty sure his "aces" brought over from JMU may not all meet those standards for graduating from IU.

I am waiting before I drink the Cignetti Kool-Aid.

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You have to like his recruiting/portal quotes above though. Doesn't beat around the bush. Wilcox reminds me of every ****ty CEO with his coach speak.

---

I don't really like that attitude at all.

New coach comes in and blasts the kids that have been busting their butts and then says he's glad they left while bringing in dozens of kids from his old program?

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But then he goes 9-0. That's the whole goal. It's not pee wee football.

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Is it? I'd like to think that at Cal winning isn't everything. We give USC, Alabama, Oregon et al., a lot of flack for having that mentality.

---

If this is the case, and it very well may be, then we are wasting time and money. Building a race car with a catalytic converter.

---

Michigan reportedly just flipped a QB recruit from LSU to Michigan because donors kicked in $3 million a year in NIL. Even Colorado is getting donor money from somewhere; they flipped a QB from USC to CU, and you can't outbid USC with nickels and dimes.

---

Larry Ellison was willing to pay for a storied and winning program, while our billionaires want nothing to do with the bureaucratic cluster**** that is our athletic department

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That rationalization is never going to get us anywhere, because there are football programs whose supporters donated generously when the team was mediocre or worse, and as a result their team doesn't suck anymore. Oregon football was in the same state at Cal when Phil Knight and others started making large donations. All of that donor money is why Oregon football is no longer in the same state as Cal football. At TCU, boosters raised $100 million starting when the team was 1-10 and the boosters didn't want to take it anymore.

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The difference is at Oregon, for that money, they let Knight call the shots.

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I think you are drastically underestimating the amount of money that has to be donated for a donor to have that kind of influence. Knight has reportedly donated about $1 billion to Oregon (overall, not just athletics),

Stanford hired Jim Harbaugh at the insistence of John Arrillaga. The Arrillaga family donated $300 million to the university, according to Stanford.

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Most of the $1 billion Knight donated was AFTER he already had major influence. And that is my point, he donated and kept donating because he had great influence on how it was spent.

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