calumnus said:

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Fire Starkey said:

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calumnus said:

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Based on this year, our toughest games next year are SMU in Memorial and Louisville and Virginia Tech on the road.

https://fbschedules.com/2025-california-football-schedule/

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If Cal finishes 6-6 or worse, Wilcox should be fired regardless of the buyout (hopefully something lower can be negotiated). If we win 7, he likely sticks and he definitely sticks at 8 or 9 wins. Our remaining schedule has all 6 games as very winnable and we are likely favored in 5 of them at minimum. SMU looks tricky but it still falls in the winnable category. That doesn't mean we'll win 5 or all 6 of the remaining games, obvs. We are 2-0 when favored in Vegas, 1-3 when an underdog this season.

Our schedule next year is the weakest in at least 25 years and likely 50 years+. All 12 games are winnable without a single "ehhhhh" on the schedule. 2025 is a MASSIVE opportunity to keep Cal relevant. There will be challenges...i.e. most of the starting defense will have graduated, we'll have to re-work the Oline again, Ott will be gone but the rest of the offensive skill players should/hopefully remain.

The big question is whether Wilcox will be here to see if that opportunity can be taken up. All depends on the remainder of this year's schedule. If we win 5+, hopefully some donor momentum reappears cause we'll need a lot more than the $2.5M raised by Cal Legends recently. That new D and some OL wont be cheap. But the chance remains. If we crater, Wilcox MUST BE fired, as our window to stay with the big boys probably evaporates after '25. If we miss out on the next round of re-alignment, the AD as a whole has to hope that donors step up to endow the non-rev sports like they have in a few spots (Golf, Water polo, etc.) otherwise a bunch will disappear and football is playing in the Mountain West, at best.

Just my random thoughts

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It is a huge opportunity to bring in a new coach, Ron Rivera at least, and have him make a huge splash coming out of the gate.

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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Everyone else has an incredibly low expectation of us. The fact that we kept these games close but don't actually win is great for them

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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Fire Starkey said:

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as our window to stay with the big boys probably evaporates after '25.

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